bottom of article. What an absolute joke, why would we give him 2 years let alone keep him on the list for next season.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...0-21543,00.html

Paul Johnson gone then?

most afl clubs have 4 ruckman on their list.

if we let PJ go, we'd have to use a draft pick to get another one anyways...especially considering that Meeson still has some more developing to go before he will play seniors.

PJ should be kept, and he deserves a spot. he didnt set the world on fire, but improved consistently this season. i can see him becoming a good back up ruck.

maybe he can be developed into Holland's current role?

Offering 2 year contracts to useless players like Miller and Jamer. Why do we continually make bad decisions come contract renewal time? They are not worth 1 year, let alone 2.

Let's hope this is a smokescreen to excite some interest in Jamar because if it's not then we're in trouble when we offer 2 year contracts to players who can't get their hands on the footy.

i cant believe how some people are so keen on a guy we have never seen and has never played a game before!Jamar isn't that old and had a poor form slump at the start of the year but will improve again this year! White had a shocking year to dont forget but he is excused for some reason and i dont think will be used in the same way under dean bailey!

For mine Johnson is not a ruckman. More a Q Lynch forward type, tall, athletic, good skills, needs to work on marking. Should be kept.

Which leaves us with a Ruck division of 3 if we get Meeson including the 31 year old White. Jamar is big and strong, gets his hands to alot of marking chances - needs to hold more and has decent skills. Once again I feel that having had Followers Stynes and White as our Number 1 ruck for 20 years we've become used to having tall midfielders as our Nm 1 Ruck.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a joke.

Johnson > Daylight > Jamar.

as long as he gets paid per possession.

why did the briefest thought that Jamar is going to a gorilla backman? Thats sorta how Nicho started isn't it? ruckman to backman? thoughts?

No. there was a reason why nicho was crap, like jamar he cant do anything around the ground and at FB he will be even worse.

I can't believe the crap going on about keeping Jamar!

Give me Jamar over the two duds that lined up for the Pies in the Prelim.....Bryan and Richards anyday!!!

So he isn't setting the world on fire like a Dean Cox or Hamish McIntosh, Jamar still has a lot of upside, and I'm glad we are hanging onto him, and will continue to try and develop him!

Would you rather we had the dominant ruck force from the Blues........Cain Ackland, and Cameron Cloke ??????

I like the Big Russian when he takes those strong marks inside 50.

HOWEVER. I hate him!!!!

It's not even his fault he just shits me, whenever im playing AFL on sony he is 76 overall for god sake, he is to bloody good, I want to leave Jeff White in but by season 2 Jamar is better.

I know this is no fault of his and I try not to blame him, but everytime I think of him I think BASTARD.

as long as he gets paid per possession.

Nice.

I rate Laycock and to a lesser extent Hille but when they plays 2nd fiddle, they are terrible. Given the run, Laycock rises up to the occasion.

So if we do sign Donuts for another 2 years, [censored] both Jamar and Meesan preseason and tell them who ever wins, first ruck will be theirs round 1.

PJ and White should play a different role in the 22.

I like the Big Russian when he takes those strong marks inside 50.

So do I. The trouble I have though is deciding which of the half dozen he has taken is my favourite.

Jamar has taken some exteremly strong contested marks inside 50. especially in the 2006 season. if we conditioned him well he has potential to a very good player. we need to keep johnson and jamar because white probably only has one season left in him.

Johnson > Daylight > Jamar.

Agree completely.

Either way neither desevre to be our second ruckman, but we shouldn't offload one of them till we find an improvement.

Doesn't sound like we will get Jolly then, Miller for Jolly would have been a good deal with the Swans, Jamar can only get better ,he can't get any worse

Jamar was a good player in 2006 and played injured in 2007. The club is backing him to return to form and so should we. Yes he is limited but he is a big bodied ruckman that can get the job done. Those types don't grow on trees.

Bailey > You

If Bailey wants him to stay, I trust Bailey.

White has one, maybe two years left. If we're going to throw away all the ruckmen we have in hope of picking up another Jeff White between now and when White hangs up the boots, we'll be left with no ruckmen at all.

With Neaves gone, we are now left with 2 back-ups plus Meesen who may or may not turn out to be capable in the ruck.

I also have a feeling that Bailey may turn PJ into more of a KPP than a ruckman.

At the end of the day, these players are not on huge money. We are not losing a whole lot by keeping them given that they are still young.

As previously stated, you need 4 ruckmen on your list. We'd be playing with fire if we delisted Jamar, and relied on either Meeson or a rookie ruckman to fill the void if White or Johnson were injured.

Also, the trade value of ruckmen can rise dramatically with 1 average/good year, hence they become appealing trade bait. Adelaide and Pt. Adelaide have been stockpiling and trading ruckmen to good effect.

Bailey > You

If Bailey wants him to stay, I trust Bailey.

I've got no problem with Bailey at all. However, IMO Jamar should be traded and if not traded then delisted.

Moreover, people can still support the coach while at the same time as questioning the decisions he makes.

EDIT: That last sentence was not just directed at Jaded.

My take on all this ...( and similar ) is bailey obvioiusly has a knack for eeking something out of blokes that wasnt forthcoming previously. This has various degrees of success.

2008 most likely will be a bit of a rebound year, but probably a developmental , weeding out year. its most likely neetas last.. White cant be too far behind. Players like Robbo and Junior will probably only have 2 or there abouts years left. Thats a far chunk of experience to go in a few years. Getting others up to speed and bringing them further along their skills road is going to be the challenge, not only for the coach(s) but for the players themselves.

I only expect Melbourne to be competitive next year. I suspect a remoulding of the team will start. Players like Russian etc may or not come into their own but are obviously insurance.

I agree with Jaded that PJ might/ought be developed more as a KPP.

I suspect one stance taken by the new regime is that only so much can be done/effected each year. Some culling/retirement has already taken place, some trading wil loccur. A different looking Melbourne ( with hints of familiarity ) will take to the field. Things will be trialed.. observations taken.. more changes made etc...end of 2008 more changes etc.. and so it goes on.

You would have to think a couple of players know its now or never.

Obviuosly Bailey sees something we dont. I suppose we wait and watch

I think it's a big mistake offering Jamar 2 years.

The guy has one asset, and it's his size, but there is no evidence that he has any idea how to use his size. He makes no impact around the ground. Unless we are looking to give Sandy another good shot at a premiership, he should be offloaded, delisted, or AT WORST given 1 year on minimum wage.