12 minutes ago, M_9 said:

If Viney was placed on the LTI he's out for a minimum of 6 matches) then his spot can be filled by a player who fits one of 5 categories which includes State league Standouts. IMO Ah Mu may be that category of player..

Yes but Viney then can’t come back onto the list if we have filled his spot until another spot opens.

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Yes but Viney then can’t come back onto the list if we have filled his spot until another spot opens.

Not necessarily. The 'replacement' player can be removed.

3 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Not necessarily. The 'replacement' player can be removed.

Well no he cant, it doesnt work that way. That replacement player would need to be delisted at the end of the year when it comes to the list lodgements after the season is wrapped up.

If Viney is placed on the long term injury list its because he is missing a season all up, not 6 weeks. That's why both Bowey and Viney havent been placed on long term injury list because they are scheduled to return at some stage this year and play.

Viney would need to be placed on the inactive list as he would be unable to play at all in the season and then thats where the list spot opens up for an SSP prospect.

If May officially retires then that would simply open up a list spot for us.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by dazzledavey36

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well no he cant, it doesnt work that way. That replacement player would need to be delisted at the end of the year when it comes to the list lodgements after the season is wrapped up.

If Viney is placed on the long term injury list its because he is missing a season all up, not 6 weeks. That's why both Bowey and Viney havent been placed on long term injury list because they are scheduled to return at some stage this year and play.

Viney would need to be placed on the inactive list as he would be unable to play at all in the season and then thats where the list spot opens up for an SSP prospect.

If May officially retires then that would simply open up a list spot for us.

We'll have to agree to disagree. For a start there's only a slight difference between a player being placed on either the LTI or inactive list. The latter caters for players out for personal reasons and the like, not injury.

A player placed on the LTI cannot play for a minimum of 6 rounds (prior to COVID it was 6 weeks). For the listed player to return the 'replacement' must be de-listed.

The only reason I can think that a player would not be replaced short-term is that by adding a player the club would exceed the salary cap.

I think you need to read the reasons for the LTI being introduced. I apologise if I sound rude.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by M_9

18 minutes ago, M_9 said:

We'll have to agree to disagree. For a start there's only a slight difference between a player being placed on either the LTI or inactive list. The latter caters for players out for personal reasons and the like, not injury.

A player placed on the LTI cannot play for a minimum of 6 rounds (prior to COVID it was 6 weeks). For the listed player to return the 'replacement' must be de-listed.

The only reason I can think that a player would not be replaced short-term is that by adding a player the club would exceed the salary cap.

I think you need to read the reasons for the LTI being introduced. I apologise if I sound rude.

No mate, if if they missed for personal reasons they're not placed on any categories. Missing for personal reason is usually just a week by week situation pending on the circumstances.

Look at the doggies past year with Jamarra. He missed the whole season last year with personal reason and they never placed him on the inactive, or long term injury list.

Also:

The AFL Inactive List is a mechanism that allows clubs to move players with season-ending injuries or those who have retired mid-season off their active roster. This process "frees up" a list spot, enabling the club to recruit a replacement player through specific draft windows.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by dazzledavey36

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No mate, if if they missed for personal reasons they're not placed on any categories. Missing for personal reason is usually just a week by week situation pending on the circumstances.

Look at the doggies past year with Jamarra. He missed the whole season last year with personal reason and they never placed him on the inactive, or long term injury list.

Also:

The AFL Inactive List is a mechanism that allows clubs to move players with season-ending injuries or those who have retired mid-season off their active roster. This process "frees up" a list spot, enabling the club to recruit a replacement player through specific draft windows.

21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Look at the doggies past year with Jamarra. He missed the whole season last year with personal reason and they never placed him on the inactive, or long term injury list.

Also:

The AFL Inactive List is a mechanism that allows clubs to move players with season-ending injuries or those who have retired mid-season off their active roster. This process "frees up" a list spot, enabling the club to recruit a replacement player through specific draft windows.

The LTI is a subset of the inactive list.

The LTI is for short term injury replacement.

I can't see any reason for both Viney and Bowey not to be placed on the LTI other than

a) it would result in us exceeding our salary cap or

b) there is no player that is both suitable for us and meets the AFL criteria as a replacement.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by M_9

53 minutes ago, M_9 said:

I think you need to read the reasons for the LTI being introduced. I apologise if I sound rude.

LTI is an outdated term, it doesn’t exist now in the AFL list management rules.

Inactive List is the updated term used since the SSP/mid season draft was introduced.

From the AFL CBA 2023- 2027

Schedule 5A - AFL Player and List Management

1. AFL Player Lists

Each Club will maintain their AFL Lists during the Terms as follows:

(a) Thand mot less fra layers on the Club's AFL Primary List will be not more than

(b)

The number of AFL Players on the Club's Category A Rookie List will be not mor himany Listand Cata or A Rokie Lavat any time: A FL Players on their AF

(c)

Than Lumber of AFL Players on the Club's Calegory B Rookie Lit will be not more

2. AFL Inactive List

(a) A Club may apply to the General Counsel or Executive General Manager of Football to transfer an AFL Player suffering a season ending injury from its AFL Primary List to its AFL Inactive List. A season ending injury means an injury or illness suffered by an AFL Player which, in the opinion of the AFL Chief Medical Officer, after consultation with the Club Doctor, will prevent or is likely to prevent an AFL Player, having due regard to their health and safety, from participating in AFL Matches for the remainder of the relevant AFL Season.

(b)

An AFL Player may only be transferred to the AFL Inactive List with the AFL Player's consent and with the approval of the General Counsel.

(c)

An AFL Player who is transferred to an AFL Inactive List is ineligible to play in the

AFL Competition or in any other Australian Football competition for the period from the date that AFL Player is transferred to the AFL Inactive List until the conclusion of the relevant AFL Season.

(d)

Where an AFL Player is transferred to the AFL Inactive List, a Club may replace that AFL Player by selecting a replacement player during the AFL Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period or at the mid-AFL Season Draft Selection Meeting.

A Club is unable to replace an AFL Player transferred to its AFL Inactive List after the conclusion of the mid-AFL Season Draft Selection Meeting

Apologies for the dodgy iPhone text capture above, it didn’t let me copy paste from the CBA PDF.

Either way, I guarantee it’s the real thing and not some dodgy AI that has no clue what it’s saying.

Page 113 from here if anyone wants to check and copy and paste it properly

30 minutes ago, M_9 said:

The LTI is a subset of the inactive list.

The LTI is for short term injury replacement.

I can't see any reason for both Viney and Bowey not to be placed on the LTI other than

a) it would result in us exceeding our salary cap or

b) there is no player that is both suitable for us and

47 minutes ago, M_9 said:

The LTI is a subset of the inactive list.

The LTI is for short term injury replacement.

I can't see any reason for both Viney and Bowey not to be placed on the LTI other than

a) it would result in us exceeding our salary cap or

b) there is no player that is both suitable for us and meets the AFL criteria as a replacement.

Huh?

Placing someone on the long term injury list has absolutely nothing to do with salary cap nor does it have any effect whatsoever.

Even if they get placed on the inactive list, they still get paid as per their contract.

Replacement SPP players start off on rookie base wages. Its not breaking the bank on the salary cap at all.

I think you have wrapped yourself in a big ball of confusion mate.

So in summary it sounds like the only way we’ll get a new player on the list is if May retires just before opening round??

The issue arises every year and, as per the above, is as follows:-

Schedule 5A - AFL Player and List Management

1.     AFL Player Lists      

Each Club will maintain their AFL Lists during the Terms as follows:

(a) The number of AFL Players on the Club's AFL Primary List will be not more than 38 and not less than 36;

(b) The number of AFL Players on the Club's Category A Rookie List will be not mor than 6 provided that a Club must not have more than 42 AFL Players on their AFL Primary List and Category A Rookie List at any time; and

(c) The number of AFL Players on the Club's Category B Rookie List will be not more than 2.

2.      AFL Inactive List

(a) A Club may apply to the General Counsel or Executive General Manager of Football to transfer an AFL Player suffering a season ending injury from its AFL Primary List to its AFL Inactive List. A season ending injury means an injury or illness suffered by an AFL Player which, in the opinion of the AFL Chief Medical Officer, after consultation with the Club Doctor, will prevent or is likely to prevent an AFL Player, having due regard to their health and safety, from participating in AFL Matches for the remainder of the relevant AFL Season.

(b) An AFL Player may only be transferred to the AFL Inactive List with the AFL Player's consent and with the approval of the General Counsel.

(c) An AFL Player who is transferred to an AFL Inactive List is ineligible to play in the

AFL Competition or in any other Australian Football competition for the period from the date that AFL Player is transferred to the AFL Inactive List until the conclusion of the relevant AFL Season.

(d) Where an AFL Player is transferred to the AFL Inactive List, a Club may replace that AFL Player by selecting a replacement player during the AFL Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period or at the mid-AFL Season Draft Selection Meeting.

(e) A Club is unable to replace an AFL Player transferred to its AFL Inactive List after the conclusion of the mid-AFL Season Draft Selection Meeting.

The current state of the club’s player lists is:

PRIMARY LIST: —

Jed Adams Jake Bowey Tom Campbell Kade Chandler Bayley Fritsch Max Gawn Max Heath Blake Howes Matthew Jefferson Changkuoth Jiath Aidan Johnson Ed Langdon Harvey Langford Bailey Laurie Jake Lever Xavier Lindsay Tom McDonald Shane McAdam Thomas Matthews Steven May Jake Melksham Brody Mihocek Harrison Petty Kysaiah Kropinyeri Pickett Trent Rivers Christian Salem Harry Sharp Tom Sparrow Latrelle Sumner-Pickett Jack Steele Xavier Taylor Koltyn Tholstrup Daniel Turner Jacob van Rooyen Jack Viney Caleb Windsor (36 players)

ROOKIE LIST: CATEGORY A 

Jai Culley Jack Henderson Luker Kentfield Andy Moniz-Wakefield Riley Onley Kalani White (6 players)

ROOKIE LIST: CATEGORY B  

Oscar Berry Ricky Mentha Jnr (2 players)

To be clear, the club does not currently have any players who have been placed on its AFL Inactive List.

1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

So in summary it sounds like the only way we’ll get a new player on the list is if May retires just before opening round??

Correct.

Technically, they would need to have a decision made before March the 2nd as thats when the SPP list lodgement closes.