43 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Stafford primarily trained them to dance around each other (starting from a clumped position), so as to create mismatches and separation. I always thought it was Ringa-ringa-rosi action. He also emphasised the one on one contest, between players. Mainly concerned with talls. Never set himself close to the ball delivery players, always micro managing deep in the 50 area.

Big change with Chaplin and all. He brings the mids and forwards together. Can be seen outside the 50 giving direction as well in the 50. When he does one on one, with the players or as an opponent himself, he is more certain as to what he wants. Stafford was a little bit of an encourager.

Troy wants separation and smarts, getting fast explosive movement with timing. Great to see him drill the crumbers, two smalls at the feet. Still some leading patterns into the boundary, though could be more about the delivery  and not kicking out on the full. Other patterns are straight leads, or off out the back. Some delivery is with angles and some are short hit ups for better percentage shots.

Movement is paramount.

I think and hope there are more "tricks" to come.

Are they trying to keep a tall staying within the 25 metres mark? 

55 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

It depends what he gives you behind the ball, and playing at half back doesn't mean he take away goalscoring power. Given his pace, it's likely he'd be granted licence to press up and cover back.

They may be going with a high press strategy from the defenders, really locking the ball in when forward/midfield. If so we need the fastest players so as to transition if the other team find some corridors.

Also get a feeling we are going to play as a swarm around the contest, a condensed competitive game. Three forwards, four backs and the rest are onballers with lateral spread when we get the ball, and with hard running to the next contest. That exhaustive kind of game where we tire later in quarters or in the 4th.

40 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Are they trying to keep a tall staying within the 25 metres mark? 

No, they are trying to keep them in a high line up the field during general play. Though I have seen them lead to pockets from the 20 metre area at stoppages. Sometimes a line of hats 20 metres out, suggest no one should be in close to the square.

I have also seen them make a square with the hats straight out from the square 10×10 metres, where they want them to lead into, and the deliverer to kick too. No-one to start in it.

Yet to see a one on one deep forward, in sims or structures 

Edited December 3, 2024Dec 3 by kev martin

2 hours ago, demon3165 said:

It has nothing to do with roles and where did I say anything about resting forward? And if you go back to late 21 he started playing more as an outside mid than in 22, 23 well forget 24 I also have not said he was not important  in winning a flag but he has deficiencies and for people to suggest he has none don't look at the game with open eyes suggest you do.

I’ve never seen a footballer without a deficiency. Strange way to measure a footballer.

1 minute ago, von said:

I’ve never seen a footballer without a deficiency. Strange way to measure a footballer.

Every footballer has deficiencies no one is perfect but are you saying that Oliver cannot improve on his to make himself a better player!

22 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Surprised Langdon wasn't in that group.... maybe taking it easy early days?

He clearly has a huge tank but that might not necessarily translate to dominant 2km times.
 

I recall Nibbler and Tomlinson dominating recent time trials but I can’t recall Lingers being in that top bracket.

1 minute ago, demon3165 said:

Every footballer has deficiencies no one is perfect but are you saying that Oliver cannot improve on his to make himself a better player!

Of course he can. But taking the best contested footballer of the last however many years and bemoaning the fact he doesn’t kick goals is in my opinion a waste of time. You say he has license to roam. How do you know this? Maybe he has direction to position himself defensively

13 minutes ago, von said:

Of course he can. But taking the best contested footballer of the last however many years and bemoaning the fact he doesn’t kick goals is in my opinion a waste of time. You say he has license to roam. How do you know this? Maybe he has direction to position himself defensively

Rubbish that’s a midfielders role to impact games, the game has changed and will change again if you think that's his only role in the team well good for you.

A little light hearted relief from this in-depth discussion concerning #13’s strengths and weaknesses - but still concerning the lad!
One of our track watchers (apologies but can’t remember who) mentioned a photographer from the Hun taking pictures of Clarry and Tom McDonald’s son at training yesterday. We’ll blow me down and call me Aunt Martha but there’s the pic right on the front page! Beaming Oliver laughing kid, and good publicity for Oliver and the club!
 

And no, I do not purchase said “News” paper but happened to see it in the supermarket. However I may read it later through the Press Reader app (available via your local municipal library) where you can read lots of news papers and magazines for free.

 

4 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Oliver just doesn't hurt sides in that department because he doesn't runn forward enough that's all.

 

3 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Not as a midfielder you have a licence to roam, you will have a role when you don't have the ball accept that.

Oliver's role when we don't have the ball is not to run forward.

Just now, old55 said:

 

Oliver's role when we don't have the ball is not to run forward.

Oh if that's the case why has he kicked 54 goals, and you know this how please tell.

Just now, demon3165 said:

Oh if that's the case why has he kicked 54 goals, and you know this how please tell.

Probably stoppage goals or turnover goals.

24 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Rubbish that’s a midfielders role to impact games, the game has changed and will change again if you think that's his only role in the team well good for you.

Just now, old55 said:

Probably stoppage goals or turnover goals.

And the other question?

Edited December 3, 2024Dec 3 by demon3165

2 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

And the other question?

Observation

2 minutes ago, old55 said:

 

So your observations are not facts,  thanks.

1 hour ago, Adam The God said:

It depends what he gives you behind the ball, and playing at half back doesn't mean he take away goalscoring power. Given his pace, it's likely he'd be granted licence to press up and cover back.

But he may well simply play in midfield.

I was thinking the idea to play him in defence is odd... but then I think of a player like Max Holmes who I think started on the wing and now has spent time at half back, in the midfield and i think even at half forward?  Basically wherever they need the spark.

Maybe they think Windsor could do this for us?  With Sharp in the team we have another winger already - though it will be interesting to see if they persist with Langdon as a high half forward and/or if any others such as Lindsay or Spargo are ear marked to be part of the wing rotation

5 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

I was thinking the idea to play him in defence is odd... but then I think of a player like Max Holmes who I think started on the wing and now has spent time at half back, in the midfield and i think even at half forward?  Basically wherever they need the spark.

Maybe they think Windsor could do this for us?  With Sharp in the team we have another winger already - though it will be interesting to see if they persist with Langdon as a high half forward and/or if any others such as Lindsay or Spargo are ear marked to be part of the wing rotation

Holmes is actually a good comparison for Windsor 

The wing is an important position in modern footy but it can be a bit feast or famine (play constantly on opposite side of the ground, a game being slower and contested etc)

And while you do need two elite runners to play this role, you also want to be getting the ball into the hands of your best players as much as possible 

If they project Windsor to be an A grader long term, we’ll want to be putting him in positions where he can more consistently impact games and win the ball, with mid and half back being the prime roles for him to do this 

FWIW I’m not opposed to him just becoming a very good wingman, but think he has scope to be even more than this (as Holmes is beginning to show at Geelong)

2 hours ago, kev martin said:

Stafford primarily trained them to dance around each other (starting from a clumped position), so as to create mismatches and separation. I always thought it was Ringa-ringa-rosi action. He also emphasised the one on one contest, between players. Mainly concerned with talls. Never set himself close to the ball delivery players, always micro managing deep in the 50 area.

Big change with Chaplin and all. He brings the mids and forwards together. Can be seen outside the 50 giving direction as well in the 50. When he does one on one, with the players or as an opponent himself, he is more certain as to what he wants. Stafford was a little bit of an encourager.

Troy wants separation and smarts, getting fast explosive movement with timing. Great to see him drill the crumbers, two smalls at the feet. Still some leading patterns into the boundary, though could be more about the delivery  and not kicking out on the full. Other patterns are straight leads, or off out the back. Some delivery is with angles and some are short hit ups for better percentage shots.

Movement is paramount.

I think and hope there are more "tricks" to come.

Some of us have prayed religiously in repetitive mantras for a forward line system change - and we have been harping on about it for a decade, at least, as if we were the disciples of cant and criticism with our never-ending cries for forward line movement, space exploration, lowering the eyes to pick opportunity instead of chaos, having 'prongs' of travel to reduce congestion and opposition spoiling. It sounds, (at this stage), that Troy is finally moving things along in these needed directions, an apostle of great football, and doubly interesting is the fact that we now have some of the personnel to achieve such logical purity. 

1 hour ago, kev martin said:

They may be going with a high press strategy from the defenders, really locking the ball in when forward/midfield. If so we need the fastest players so as to transition if the other team find some corridors.

Very good call this. We utilised Sam Frost in this way. 

36 minutes ago, Dee Dee said:

A little light hearted relief from this in-depth discussion concerning #13’s strengths and weaknesses - but still concerning the lad!
One of our track watchers (apologies but can’t remember who) mentioned a photographer from the Hun taking pictures of Clarry and Tom McDonald’s son at training yesterday. We’ll blow me down and call me Aunt Martha but there’s the pic right on the front page! Beaming Oliver laughing kid, and good publicity for Oliver and the club!
 

And no, I do not purchase said “News” paper but happened to see it in the supermarket. However I may read it later through the Press Reader app (available via your local municipal library) where you can read lots of news papers and magazines for free.

 

That photographer wanted to know whose child Leo is and commented on Clarry’s cute interaction with Leo. I told him it’s been that way between them since Leo was a baby.

Earlier, this same photographer asked me if I know the players’ numbers. He wanted to ask about a certain player. I said sure (expecting him to say Ricky M or AJ or one of the new boys). He said, “What number is Christian Petracca?” I said 5. He said, “Can you please point him out for me.” 😳 

 

32 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

So your observations are not facts,  thanks.

Look who's talking!

4 minutes ago, old55 said:

Look who's talking!

I'm not the one who claimed that running forward is not his role you did, I am only suggesting he can do better as a footballer. 

Edited December 3, 2024Dec 3 by demon3165

33 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

I'm not the one who claimed that running forward is not his role you did, I am only suggesting he can do better as a footballer. 

Every player in the competition can improve, it's a pretty vacuous observation.

But expecting Clarry to become something he's not, and taking away from his strengths by trying to do so, is brainless.

58 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

I'm not the one who claimed that running forward is not his role you did, I am only suggesting he can do better as a footballer. 

According to your observation.

21 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

Every player in the competition can improve, it's a pretty vacuous observation.

But expecting Clarry to become something he's not, and taking away from his strengths by trying to do so, is brainless.

Try and keep up where did I imply taking away his strengths I talk about improving his game why is that a problem, why do people want to put him in a box and that's all he can do.