1 minute ago, KozzyCan said:

The way in which we are playing like we did in the Neeld era is that we look completely disinterested and unnacountable. Neeld basically never won over the players and so his tenure was never going to lead to any success. To me, Goodwin looks like he's lost the players. I also think that after flip-flopping on the gameplan last year he really can't do that again this year. If this one fails then how could the players ever get behind his message ever again?

When a coach is sacked players tend to get a bit more freedom to play their natural games is what I mean. Structures are a lot more loose. Depends on the coach but that's just my observation. But again, interim coaches don't matter at all. Sacking Neeld was the right call as it allowed us to openly pursue Roos. The fact that Craig didn't have any success was irrelevant.

Right now our players look like they're not really invested, that's the most damning thing that will soon be an untenable situation if Goodwin can't turn it around.

I'm not sure I fully understand your point about the players thinking for themselves. The coaches role is to get all the players on the same page and playing like a team. A good coach will bring the best out of their players talents, I don't think that's happening right now and the players aren't even executing basic fundamentals at the moment.

Why are you letting the players off the hook? If they are disinterested ship them off to Casey for a month

These players are professional sportsmen, they are not amateurs

To just blame the coach is unintelligent

And it might look like I'm a huge Goodwin fan but I'm not

I'm just a stickler for fairness

We've got bad eggs at the club and the sooner we rid ourselves of them, the better

I can't imagine being in an environment where 3 or 4 players are openly saying that they want to play elsewhere

Question for you

Oliver was paid $2.8Million for his last 2 years at the club

Should he give the money back considering he decided that he was going to loaf on the job for 2 years?

To my mind, what he did was outrageous and we should have torn up his contract for breach of contract

And don't get me started on Kozzie & Petracca

And if you don't think there's a connection to all that and how we're playing now, I can't help you

1 minute ago, adonski said:

Can I have 1 x best 22 with and 1 x best 22 without Clazz so I can best analyse the situation

You should never ask me to do best 22's because I love doing them.

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Lindsay, Petty, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Turner, Viney

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Johnson

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Pickett

IC: Henderson, Langford, Salem, Melksham

SUB: Spargo

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Lindsay, Petty, Bowey

C: Langdon, Petracca, Windsor

HF: Chandler, Turner, Viney

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Johnson

FOLL: Gawn, Langford, Pickett

IC: Henderson, Salem, Melksham, Spargo

SUB: Sharp

16 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Oliver should have been traded at the end of last if it wasn't for Goodwin. Your love child is finished at this club, even if we give him away for nothing. He started the rot. It finishes with him.

Rubbish clueless post Werridee.. in fact it is on the nose...... something u might be familiar with if u do , in fact live in Werribee??

Edited Monday at 10:365 days by picket fence

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

Why are you letting the players off the hook? If they are disinterested ship them off to Casey for a month

These players are professional sportsmen, they are not amateurs

To just blame the coach is unintelligent

And it might look like I'm a huge Goodwin fan but I'm not

I'm just a stickler for fairness

We've got bad eggs at the club and the sooner we rid ourselves of them, the better

I can't imagine being in an environment where 3 or 4 players are openly saying that they want to play elsewhere

Question for you

Oliver was paid $2.8Million for his last 2 years at the club

Should he give the money back considering he decided that he was going to loaf on the job for 2 years?

To my mind, what he did was outrageous and we should have torn up his contract for breach of contract

And don't get me started on Kozzie & Petracca

And if you don't think there's a connection to all that and how we're playing now, I can't help you

I can..... the fish rots first at the Head! So therefore its up to the coach. BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP, in ANY ORGANISATION!

6 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Rubbish clueless post Werridee.. in fact it is on the nose...... something u might be familiar with if u do , in fact live in Werribee??

The person who is on the nose is Clarry had mental problems last year can't get a kick this year and when he does it goes nowhere. Every coach except Goodwin would have sacked him and the culture stinks because of it. TIME TO GO CLARRY! That might be my next thread.

Just now, picket fence said:

I can..... the fish rots first at the Head! So therefore its up to the coach. BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP, in ANY ORGANISATION!

Hey picket, you reckon you've played footy so when things weren't going well for the team did you look in the mirror, or blame your coaches

Sacking the coach, especially this early in the season, is just so much of an overreaction

We had a tumultuous off season with various players going off-tap. And now we're not playing as a team

I wonder why? Maybe there's a carry over resentment that's prevalent. Players just deciding to look after No.1? It looks that way to me

They are not playing for each other and people like you want to just blame the coach?

It goes way deeper than that

2 hours ago, Macca said:

What's that?

To bomb it long to the pockets?

Our stars aren't stars anymore because they continually waste their disposals

Give it a rest, Goody is on record saying our preferred entry is a forward pocket stoppage.

They are coached to play this way. That is the problem when you turn elite talents into robots. They lose enjoyment and look to move into other systems that are not defence first.

23 minutes ago, Macca said:

Why are you letting the players off the hook? If they are disinterested ship them off to Casey for a month

These players are professional sportsmen, they are not amateurs

To just blame the coach is unintelligent

And it might look like I'm a huge Goodwin fan but I'm not

I'm just a stickler for fairness

We've got bad eggs at the club and the sooner we rid ourselves of them, the better

I can't imagine being in an environment where 3 or 4 players are openly saying that they want to play elsewhere

Question for you

Oliver was paid $2.8Million for his last 2 years at the club

Should he give the money back considering he decided that he was going to loaf on the job for 2 years?

To my mind, what he did was outrageous and we should have torn up his contract for breach of contract

And don't get me started on Kozzie & Petracca

And if you don't think there's a connection to all that and how we're playing now, I can't help you

Wowee talk about a straw man.

I'm not letting them off the hook at all. What I'm saying is there's only so much you can do when the collective group stops functioning as a team. These attitudes have permeated like a virus due to poor leadership at the club. You can't drop everyone to Casey. Besides Goodwin has gone to great lengths to pursue this new mantra of love and positivity against all odds. This had lead to relaxed training standards and flexible schedules. The players have been given this power by the coach. That's on him.

But I'm not going to continue engaging with you if you keep putting words in my mouth and insulting my intelligence.

1 minute ago, sydneydee said:

They are coached to play this way

Are you sure you know what you are talking about here? We have obviously changed our offensive approach but it's a work in progress

We trained all summer with a new game plan and that doesn't include bombing it to the pockets ... but if that does happen then it means that the players are going against the team rules

Old habits die hard and all I've seen from Viney, Petracca & Oliver is repeat long bombs. Do they want to change and can they change?

Stop blaming the coach and don't let the players off the hook

7 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Rubbish clueless post Werridee.. in fact it is on the nose...... something u might be familiar with if u do , in fact live in Werribee??

I don't think it's rubbish post. You could debate Oliver is or was a problem that started more problems no matter how good he is it was.

One thing is crystal clear from this thread is that there are spot fire problems everywhere. Problems that may or may not be the problems affecting success on field. Problems that we are speculating on. I don't think anyone really knows what the problems are tbh.

I sure can't see the spot fires stop spreading until change happens.

Our list is stale. Hasn't changed much in 3 years. No decent player from another club since May.

We never try players in new positions.

We never make the tough list decisions.

Out with the questionable and in with the new as it's overdue for change.

I like the idea of Viney as a small forward. Maybe Campbell to ruck and play Gawn a bit of everywhere.

Gawn with May or Lever forward again and just kick it in there. At least they can read the flight well and take a mark. More likely to work than the last few years of our forward line.

How about a "crazy rotation" game plan where we are constantly switching positions.

I probably sound crazy to most now but I'd rather "something" than what we are getting.

Just now, KozzyCan said:

Wowee talk about a straw man.

I'm not letting them off the hook at all. What I'm saying is there's only so much you can do when the collective group stops functioning as a team. These attitudes have permeated like a virus due to poor leadership at the club. You can't drop everyone to Casey. Besides Goodwin has gone to great lengths to pursue this new mantra of love and positivity against all odds. This had lead to relaxed training standards and flexible schedules. The players have been given this power by the coach. That's on him.

But I'm not going to continue engaging with you if you keep putting words in my mouth and insulting my intelligence.

Ha ha, the old straw man retort. Nonsense

It's clear that you want to place all the blame at the feet of the coach

Which, by default means that you are letting the players off the hook

I'm almost the opposite, I believe the issues lies with the players themselves whilst the coaching messaging might be an issue

Strangely enough, you don't strike me as someone who would only want to blame the coach

Must be that Goodwin demeaner that annoys you? I mean, he's a bit boring (not that that bothers me one iota)

24 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

The person who is on the nose is Clarry had mental problems last year can't get a kick this year and when he does it goes nowhere. Every coach except Goodwin would have sacked him and the culture stinks because of it. TIME TO GO CLARRY! That might be my next thread.

Clueless!☠️🤮

I like goodie but the one criticism I do have is he never makes positional moves during the game , if it ain't working throw the magnets around every now and then .

And coach a bit of mongrel into em

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Ha ha, the old straw man retort. Nonsense

It's clear that you want to place all the blame at the feet of the coach

Which, by default means that you are letting the players off the hook

I'm almost the opposite, I believe the issues lies with the players themselves whilst the coaching messaging might be an issue

Strangely enough, you don't strike me as someone who would only want to blame the coach

Must be that Goodwin demeaner that annoys you? I mean, he's a bit boring (not that that bothers me one iota)

Yes a strawman is when you make up a completely different argument to the one you're responding to which you seem intent on doing. Not engaging with this. Have a good night.

53 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Does anyone have any insight to why, that as part of the review, the players were given more freedom and flexibility to decide when to come into the club? I used to hear how we were one of the more intense teams on the training track, and heard May call it, "The Melbourne way" and this was a program that got us a flag. Now we're 0-3 and a decision like that just seems counterintuitive.

Geelong have been pushing that as a recruiting tool and once that stuff spreads across an industry it's hard to ignore.

I don't think there's a direct relationship with training intensity and standards and more flexible hours around preparation.

Players earning a half a million bucks a year (on average) and they can't carry out the fundamentals

And that's the fault of the coach? Whatever happened to players being responsible for their own actions?

Fumbling the ball is the coaches fault? What if we had the late, great Ron Barassi in charge

Would we blame RDB if a player fumbled? I think not

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I think the plan will come together I’m just not convinced it’ll do so in time to save Goodwin.

Goodwin's not going anywhere, the Board won't sack him because of a few disgruntled fans. Even a lot of disgruntled fans. Port fans have been calling for Hinkley's head for almost as long as he's been there, yet he's still into his 13th year.

Within the club everyone would understand what's going on.

43 minutes ago, picket fence said:

BUCK STOPS AT THE TOP, in ANY ORGANISATION!

That would be Brad Green.

4 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Yes a strawman is when you make up a completely different argument to the one you're responding to which you seem intent on doing. Not engaging with this. Have a good night.

Well you can interpret what I've said any way you like. I'm not sure I've made anything up

But Goodwin isn't going to get sacked in a hurry anyway. I reckon the Board are backing him in on a new game plan and they would know it's going to take some time to implement

But I reckon the Board also knows we've got some player issues to sort out. With no easy solutions

3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Goodwin's not going anywhere, the Board won't sack him because of a few disgruntled fans. Even a lot of disgruntled fans. Port fans have been calling for Hinkley's head for almost as long as he's been there, yet he's still into his 13th year.

Within the club everyone would understand what's going on.

I bet you he hasn't had 2 shocking years in a row. The club is a mess and things won't change while he's there. He is gone! A bit like Clarry.

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

But I reckon the Board also knows we've got some player issues to sort out. With no easy solutions

We don't know, it would only be speculation, no matter what it looks like from the outside. Equally, I think that Goodwin doesn't suffer fools, and if anyone's upsetting the apple cart internally hard to see them lasting long. Sam Frost and Jack Watts come to mind.

The end of the year could be interesting.

If we get thumped on Friday night this thread will be red hot

I just hope we put up a decent showing and not get embarrassed again

What might happen is that the players could finally respond to a game plan that the coaches are hellbent on persevering with

The new, direct, fast & furious game plan that the better clubs employ

We live in hope

https://x.com/FootyonNine/status/1906660716611781002

Edited Monday at 11:425 days by dazzledavey36

4 minutes ago, bing181 said:

We don't know, it would only be speculation, no matter what it looks like from the outside. Equally, I think that Goodwin doesn't suffer fools, and if anyone's upsetting the apple cart internally hard to see them lasting long. Sam Frost and Jack Watts come to mind.

The end of the year could be interesting.

Yes, but the long contracts can be a plus or a minus. Hard to offload unless the other clubs are willing to pay up

Or, we hold the players to their contracts and then hope that certain players get back to their very best

Ideally the latter argument comes to fruition. If not, we get value in return via the trade table