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  On 11/10/2024 at 10:10, Dr. Gonzo said:

What are you on about? Where I'm from when people perform poorly they are held to account. The cheerleaders on here that mindlessly support the club even when it is being mismanaged are worse than the people in the media gleefully kicking us for being a basketcase. There were many on here back during the Schwab years who didn't want to hear a bad word about that administration either, the threads will still be here if you do a search.

"mindlessly", "mismanaged", "basketcase", all emotive, lacking balance, possibly incorrect, definitely counter-productive,

 

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      On 11/10/2024 at 09:21, Dr. Gonzo said:

    Pert's not going to sue the AFL website FFS. Ours supporters have all gone full nuffie. AFL Media is run independently of the AFL, Barrett would be no worse than any other favoured reporters like Wilson, Baum or Whately who get fed lines from the AFL. The AFL website also reports on issues to do with the AFL executive and commission, they've been writing opinion about clubs for years too. The victim mentality on here is nauseating.

     

      On 11/10/2024 at 10:35, old55 said:

    What @Dr. Gonzo says is correct AFL Media editorial is independent of AFL control. Barrett slags off the AFL regularly, he even has a dedicated slot for it at the bottom of his weekly Sliding Doors column

    Posters here are now whinging that the AFL should rein Barrett in, the usual paranoid whinge, yes like you @Clintosaurus, is that journalists are in the AFL's pocket - you can't have it both ways ...

    I’m not saying he will sue the AFL or AFL media for the article. I’m saying should Pert sue Damien Barrett for defamation OR the AFL in the event he claims income loss or damage to his career/reputation as part of a wider wrongful dismissal case against the MFC and AFL the AFL hosting these comments on a site they have editorial control over is not something that is good to have to defend as part of the wider case. 
    All those journalists have been writing all sorts of things, however I have never seen a columnists directly call for an external clubs CEO to be removed on the AFL (media) website. Can you find that somewhere?     

    Max Gawn is currently cited in a certain ex-pres case, for comments in an on field interview. You think articles on the AFL (media) run website wouldn’t be cited in any Pert case?

    Victim mentality? What?! Damien Barrett is literally calling for our CEO to be sacked, I’m not claiming to be the victim, I’m engaging in a discussion of why I wouldn’t be comfortable with that if the AFL were my business.

    Yep, the AFL website is run by AFL media, a subsidiary of the AFL that has key editorial and legal decisions overseen by AFL HQ. It’s a buffer that would work to protect the AFL from a lot, but I’ve never really seen it tested. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a defamation case against AFL media? There’s slagging off and there’s directly calling for someone to be “removed”. It’s not a great look and could be challenged if Pert gets sacked and goes on a legal bender like a certain ex-pres.

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      On 10/10/2024 at 09:19, Antioch said:

    So the news media are perfect and the club is no good? What a load of garbage. Why don’t you go and support another club! Or maybe you do and you’re just on here to dig the boots into our club. If you don’t like what’s happening at the club do something about it! Get involved in the club! Don’t just sit tapping on your keyboard at home and saying the club is “dysfunctional”. That doesn’t help anything!

    Oh for the love of God who writes this stuff?

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    I'm going to repost this because the intense late night back and forth conversations remind me of a particular tv show. :laugh: 

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      On 11/10/2024 at 10:50, BLWNBA said:

    AFL Media as a legal person, differs from the Australian Football League. They’re not one and the same and certainly not interchangeable. Journalists employed under the AFL Media, are deemed to be independent, which has previously been held to be true by the Federal Fair Work Ombudsman.

    Assuming Pert were to step away, at best he may have a claim for constructive dismissal, but even then, a court would need to determine the nexus between the AFL Media, and the Melbourne Football Club, which would be unlikely in the context of employment law. However, there are numerous protections in place which allow for a journalist to make fair comment under the Defamation Act, and multiple High Court rulings suggest that an ordinary reasonable would be able to deduce the difference between an opinion, such as Barrett’s, and a statement of fact.

    “A “discussion or comment” is to be distinguished from “the statement of a fact”. “It is not the mere form of words used that determines whether it is comment or not; a most explicit allegation of fact may be treated as comment if it would be understood by the readers or hearers, not as an independent imputation, but as an inference from other facts stated.”

    Thank you very much for your excellent and informative response BLWNA. 
    Out of interest what was the impetuous for the Fair work Ombudsman stating they were legally distinct (because tone is near impossible online I’m asking because I’m curious, not challenging you). Was there a particular case that established this?

    Also, at the risk of derailing this thread further (although let’s face it, it’s way off the cliff now). What are the chances Pert could include external pressure and site sources like these articles as part of a wrongful dismissal suit should the MFC ever sack him?

    I think the defamation question is still interesting though (to me), if Pert can show a pattern of behaviour undermining his position and casting doubt on his reputation as part of a wider and longer defamation suit. Given Barrett has a long history with him, back to the Collingwood days, would these comments not be part of that pattern even if protected by being a journalistic comment or are they excluded entirely?

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      On 11/10/2024 at 11:00, Flowergirl said:

    So it won't get done then? There is no way the club will settle for that.

    No, it probably won't. And we enter next year with at least two disgruntled players on our list.

      On 11/10/2024 at 12:20, Bowserpower said:

    What are you on about?

    That it’s not a pissing adjective. 
     

    (Sorry, I just noticed that Saty got past the censors with “pissing”, so it’s going to be my go-to adjective from now on). 

     
      On 11/10/2024 at 12:31, Dr. Gonzo said:

    No, it probably won't. And we enter next year with at least two disgruntled players on our list.

    That could change. Many things can change in 12 months. 

      On 11/10/2024 at 12:33, Mel Bourne said:

    That it’s not a pissing adjective. 
     

    (Sorry, I just noticed that Saty got past the censors with “pissing”, so it’s going to be my go-to adjective from now on). 

    I'm going go thank you but really quietly.

    Thnx MB


    Please make it Wednesday pm already!!!

    All this is incredibly unhealthy in so many ways - longing for the days where a little info was enough -  never thought I would say that , but so sad that speculation has become fact in so many peoples minds !!! 

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      On 11/10/2024 at 00:49, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    Believe it or not I have a lot more to do with the club than just being a cheersquad member.  But unlike others I'm not one to stand on top of the mountain and shout it out for all to hear.

    You've just been given the company line why would they tell you what was really going on?

    It's almost as laughable as when another cheer squad member claimed that the cheers quad work really closely with the football department. One of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here and I've never heard such rubbish.

    These people would have countless losers coming up to them asking them for goss. You're just not as important as you think you are.

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      On 11/10/2024 at 12:31, Dr. Gonzo said:

    No, it probably won't. And we enter next year with at least two disgruntled players on our list.

    How do you know, have you spoken to both of them face to face, if not you are speculating.

      On 11/10/2024 at 13:02, Bowserpower said:

    You've just been given the company line why would they tell you what was really going on?

    It's almost as laughable as when another cheer squad member claimed that the cheers quad work really closely with the football department. One of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here and I've never heard such rubbish.

    These people would have countless losers coming up to them asking them for goss. You're just not as important as you think you are.

    I really think you should apologise for that whole statement, unless you want to jump all over the poster who said "my Geelong contact has told me they are still interested" unless the poster actually names the contact they may not be as well informed as they think they are.


      On 11/10/2024 at 13:02, Bowserpower said:

    You've just been given the company line why would they tell you what was really going on?

    It's almost as laughable as when another cheer squad member claimed that the cheers quad work really closely with the football department. One of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here and I've never heard such rubbish.

    These people would have countless losers coming up to them asking them for goss. You're just not as important as you think you are.

    Calm down, dude.

    Man, this site is becoming increasingly toxic of late. 

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      On 11/10/2024 at 01:25, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    He's still angry I pulled him up for his treatment of WCW, so I'm now his new target.  

    You're playing up the self importance part perfectly!

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      On 11/10/2024 at 09:54, Flowergirl said:

    This is true, and it's important to note that Damien Barrett is critical of the AFL on a regular basis. 

    Barrett criticism of the AFL is verging on soft and cuddly

      On 11/10/2024 at 10:10, Dr. Gonzo said:

    What are you on about? Where I'm from when people perform poorly they are held to account. The cheerleaders on here that mindlessly support the club even when it is being mismanaged are worse than the people in the media gleefully kicking us for being a basketcase. There were many on here back during the Schwab years who didn't want to hear a bad word about that administration either, the threads will still be here if you do a search.

    Same as in the AFL and the MSM.

      On 11/10/2024 at 13:08, Satyriconhome said:

    I really think you should apologise for that whole statement, unless you want to jump all over the poster who said "my Geelong contact has told me they are still interested" unless the poster actually names the contact they may not be as well informed as they think they are.

     

    Ok sure. What am I apologising for sorry? A good statement? I'm starting to get sick of people coming on here and claiming they have an inside lane and then turning out to be wrong anyway. If you ran a big time company would you go downstairs to the lobby cafe and tell the barista everything discussed at board meetings?

     

      On 11/10/2024 at 13:14, Mel Bourne said:

    Calm down, dude.

    Man, this site is becoming increasingly toxic of late. 

     

    Token 'hero' call. Thanks dude

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      On 11/10/2024 at 13:04, Satyriconhome said:

    How do you know, have you spoken to both of them face to face, if not you are speculating.

    That's definitely where I'm trying to stop myself short with too much criticism at the moment. I've got my thoughts and feelings about the club right now but don't want to get too aggressive towards players because the truth is we don't know everything.

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      On 11/10/2024 at 10:55, Witches Hat said:

    Meanwhile back on topic...my Geelong contact tells me they haven't given up on getting Oliver. He definitely wants out. If what he is telling me is true it will be a future first rounder and nothing else.

    Thankfully only five more days of wild speculation before we can all have a good lie down.

    Have you told Sam that no one cares what he says.

      On 11/10/2024 at 00:05, dazzledavey36 said:

    Honestly, just be done with it and trade him. Grab a future first rounder and a 2nd round draft pick and move on. 

    Cannot put up another 12 months of Oliver distraction and noise on top of his ongoing behaviour that we still have to manage.

    Stupid idea

     
      On 11/10/2024 at 13:36, Bowserpower said:

     

    Ok sure. What am I apologising for sorry? A good statement? I'm starting to get sick of people coming on here and claiming they have an inside lane and then turning out to be wrong anyway. If you ran a big time company would you go downstairs to the lobby cafe and tell the barista everything discussed at board meetings?

     

     

    Token 'hero' call. Thanks dude

    My point my angry friend, didn't see you attacking the latter post I mentioned.

      On 11/10/2024 at 13:04, Satyriconhome said:

    How do you know, have you spoken to both of them face to face, if not you are speculating.

    It's evident in their actions, lack of public statements and the manner in which the two situations have played out. If you're incapable of applying some critical thinking to the issues at the club, that's on you.

    I'm sure you'll believe the club when they finally come out and confirm the two players are disgruntled and wanted to leave MFC. We should get an email about that any day now 🙄

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