Brisbane Pair Stand Down Amid Poor Form

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,631]

I'm just glad we didn't recruit Gunstan close to the end.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,521]

21 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I'm just glad we didn't recruit Gunstan close to the end.

It would have been an a mitigated disaster.

[layzie 32,745]

6 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

It would have been an a mitigated disaster.

Yep, fancy recruiting a guy that doesn't want to play. 

[beelzebub 23,193]

Hmm.. 🤔🤔🤔 ..   something  NQR about all this... but what 🤷🤷🤷

Other side of the bye might be revealing.  

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,631]

With recruiting veterans, there is always going to be some element of risk in terms of performance towards the end.

At Melbourne, we got great value out of Leiws for most of his contract.  Eventually he became pretty marginal as a player, but I'm sure the value he bought to our culture from finals sucess etc was invaluable.  Even if he makes no further contribution, I think BBB was an important ingredient to our 2021 premiership.

Similarly Brisbane got pretty good value out of Hodge and who knows what mentoring Gunstan might provide off the feild that might help the further development of Brisbane's forwards.

[Roost it far 7,362]

Bothe Rich and Gunston have been considered A graders, perhaps even elite players at stages of their careers. Neither are playing well and are man enough to admit it. I say good on them and it'll be interesting whether they make it back to being useful players in the Brisbane line up. 

[layzie 32,745]

34 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Bothe Rich and Gunston have been considered A graders, perhaps even elite players at stages of their careers. Neither are playing well and are man enough to admit it. I say good on them and it'll be interesting whether they make it back to being useful players in the Brisbane line up. 

I admire the attitude of these guys but it comes back to the authority that the coach and selection committee have. Say that these guys aren't playing well as they seem to think, but what if Fagan doesn't want to drop them? What if his idea of form is different to the player and he might have a different role in mind for them for tonight's game. The decision from these players to drop themselves takes this out of the coach's hands and slightly undermines them in my view.

Say that ANB or Spargo felt they were out of form and went straight up to Goody and said "We believe we are letting the team down and it is definitely true because a bunch of people on Demonland think so, We're hereby dropping ourselves".

Where would Goody's system be if players dictated selection the same way? Like I said, I admire the act but it doesn't sit right 100%.

Edited June 16, 2023 by layzie

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

20 minutes ago, layzie said:

I admire the attitude of these guys but it comes back to the authority that the coach and selection committee have. Say that these guys aren't playing well as they seem to think, but what if Fagan doesn't want to drop them? What if his idea of form is different to the player and he might have a different role in mind for them for tonight's game. The decision from these players to drop themselves takes this out of the coach's hands and slightly undermines them in my view.

Say that ANB or Spargo felt they were out of form and went straight up to Goody and said "We believe we are letting the team down and it is definitely true because a bunch of people on Demonland think so, We're hereby dropping ourselves".

Where would Goody's system be if players dictated selection the same way? Like I said, I admire the act but it doesn't sit right 100%.

I'd be very surprised if the coach and match committee were blind-sided by Gunston's and Rich's decisions. I think it's more likely that their decisions were made after each had had a discussion with the coach about what their immediate future holds. That doesn't necessarily mean that Gunston and Rich jumped because they had been forewarned they may be dropped, though. 

[Willmoy1947 3,957]

7 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Hmm.. 🤔🤔🤔 ..   something  NQR about all this... but what 🤷🤷🤷

Other side of the bye might be revealing.  

Some people dodge flak, some don't.

[layzie 32,745]

4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'd be very surprised if the coach and match committee were blind-sided by Gunston's and Rich's decisions. I think it's more likely that their decisions were made after each had had a discussion with the coach about what their immediate future holds. That doesn't necessarily mean that Gunston and Rich jumped because they had been forewarned they may be dropped, though. 

Yes I'd be surprised too and I would hope that they came to a mutual decision. 

[deanox 9,641]

16 hours ago, deanox said:

My guess is it's to do with match payments.

While contracts will vary, players that are omitted are unlikely to get match payments, while in many cases players who are injured (and therefore unable to play) can continue to receive match payments.

 

Definitely looks like this is correct based on the last CBA.

https://www.aflplayers.com.au/resources/afl-collective-bargaining-agreement-2017-2022

[WalkingCivilWar 39,256]

10 hours ago, layzie said:

Say that ANB or Spargo felt they were out of form and went straight up to Goody and said "We believe we are letting the team down and it is definitely true because a bunch of people on Demonland think so, We're hereby dropping ourselves".

Based on this after any given match half our players would be dropping themselves.

But LOL at the thought of ANB or Spargo or any player actually saying this to Goody. 🤣