17 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Nor am I. I’m sure no one’s buying it, and that’s because he wasn’t picked over Grundy on form or overall ability. Maybe he was picked because he wanted to be picked. Again, it certainly does take two to tango

There are some that are buying it

22 minutes ago, Macca said:

There are some that are buying it

Do you agree Schache can play more positions than Grundy and offered more protective cover for a greater range of players?

 

21 minutes ago, Macca said:

There are some that are buying it

Then send them my way… I’ve got fresh air they might be interested in buying. 😉 

5 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Do you agree Schache can play more positions than Grundy and offered more protective cover for a greater range of players?

 

No

I don't believe he has any strengths at AFL level.  And we've never seen it either (at our club at least)

Schache wasn't picked before Grundy in terms of capabilities - in my view

9 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

Do you agree Schache can play more positions than Grundy and offered more protective cover for a greater range of players?

 

No not at AFL level

4 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Then send them my way… I’ve got fresh air they might be interested in buying. 😉 

At local level I've seen falling out's on numerous occasions

By the same token, clubs I played for picked up any number of dusgruntled players ... nearly always for the same reason 

Dropped from the senior side with not much hope for a recall

I backed the Grundy acquisition but it didn't work out so you move on

You win some you lose some ... as an example, the BBB acquisition was viewed by many as a risk because of the state of his knees

But he helped us win a flag 

Can people here imagine what it would be like if it was 60+ years and counting

You've got to take risks

I also heard Harmes say on radio that he and Brodie were on the outer and had thus formed some sort of bond

Again, no biggie because that's what can happen at any sporting club

But they're both gone now and I wish them well

55 minutes ago, Macca said:

No

I don't believe he has any strengths at AFL level.  And we've never seen it either (at our club at least)

Schache wasn't picked before Grundy in terms of capabilities - in my view

I didn't ask if he had any strengths at AFL level, I asked if he had the ability to play in more positions.  I get you don't rate him, I don't either, but if any tall other than Gawn was injured I'd have Schache play as a tall back or forward before Grundy. I think he'd do it better. 

I think that was the thinking of the footy department.  You disagee, I get that. But that's the reason they selected him as the substitute. 

37 minutes ago, Macca said:

At local level I've seen falling out's on numerous occasions

By the same token, clubs I played for picked up any number of dusgruntled players ... nearly always for the same reason 

Dropped from the senior side with not much hope for a recall

I backed the Grundy acquisition but it didn't work out so you move on

You win some you lose some ... as an example, the BBB acquisition was viewed by many as a risk because of the state of his knees

But he helped us win a flag 

Can people here imagine what it would be like if it was 60+ years and counting

You've got to take risks

One should never underestimate the power of personality clashes. When you’ve got big egos involved (which is natural given the talent) there’s likely gonna be locking of horns, butting of heads, or whatever you wanna call it, to some degree. Oftentimes it’s to a degree where there’s nothing anyone can do to make things work despite everyone desperately wanting it to work. You reach an impasse and something’s gotta give. 

6 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

One should never underestimate the power of personality clashes. When you’ve got big egos involved (which is natural given the talent) there’s likely gonna be locking of horns, butting of heads, or whatever you wanna call it, to some degree. Oftentimes it’s to a degree where there’s nothing anyone can do to make things work despite everyone desperately wanting it to work. You reach an impasse and something’s gotta give. 

Are you actually saying that you have first hand knowledge that Brodie Grundy spat the dummy and refused to play finals?

It's a pretty big accusation.

Edited October 12, 20231 yr by old55

4 minutes ago, old55 said:

Are you actually saying that you have first hand knowledge that Brodie Grundy spat the dummy and refused to play finals?

I’m not foolish enough to state that here.

 I’m just suggesting people consider this as a plausible explanation for why Grundy didn’t play finals.

edit: stranger things have happened 

Edited October 12, 20231 yr by WalkingCivilWar

3 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I’m not foolish enough to state that here.

 I’m just suggesting people consider this as a plausible explanation for why Grundy didn’t play finals.

edit: stranger things have happened 

You're directly implying it.

6 minutes ago, old55 said:

You're directly implying it.

Stop fighting you two or may the best person win....

1 minute ago, old55 said:

You're directly implying it.

And if I am? People will believe what they want to believe regardless of what I say… indeed, regardless of what anyone says. Especially when it’s something they don’t like hearing.

 

1 hour ago, Slartibartfast said:

Do you agree Schache can play more positions than Grundy and offered more protective cover for a greater range of players?

 

i haven't seen any convincing evidence shache can play anywhere, let alone under finals conditions.

sad to say, but true

Edited October 12, 20231 yr by daisycutter

Just now, Willmoy1947 said:

Stop fighting you two or may the best person win....

Not fighting… discussing. 🙂

23 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

I didn't ask if he had any strengths at AFL level, I asked if he had the ability to play in more positions.  

They are about as good as each other in any position ... not very good

But Grundy will put his body on the line more and can ruck

I'm not sure why we've even got Schache on the list ... but if he turns things around I'll be the first to say well done

But on what we've seen so far, there's not much there

@Slartibartfast

If Schache had any attributes as some sort of forward, surely the MC could have found a spot for him after Petty, Melksham, Fritsch, T-Mac, Brown & JVR were all injured or unavailable?

In the end we went with 1 KPF who was on 1 leg ... an indictment on Schache don't you think?

But we've extended his contract so go figure

Edited October 12, 20231 yr by Macca

1 hour ago, Macca said:

No

I don't believe he has any strengths at AFL level.  And we've never seen it either (at our club at least)

Schache wasn't picked before Grundy in terms of capabilities - in my view

 

32 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

I didn't ask if he had any strengths at AFL level, I asked if he had the ability to play in more positions.  I get you don't rate him, I don't either, but if any tall other than Gawn was injured I'd have Schache play as a tall back or forward before Grundy. I think he'd do it better. 

I think that was the thinking of the footy department.  You disagee, I get that. But that's the reason they selected him as the substitute. 

 

Schache as the sub gave more options and tactical flexibility than Grundy as the sub. 

The more flexible option the better choice than the specialist role IMO.

Would love the AFL increase the Sub options to 2 on the bench and you can only make the 1 change. 

16 minutes ago, old55 said:

Are you actually saying that you have first hand knowledge that Brodie Grundy spat the dummy and refused to play finals?

It's a pretty big accusation.

Accusation???? That’s a strong word right there. I’m not in a position to accuse anyone of anything. As I’ve said, it’s prudent to consider a number of possible explanations instead of assuming the one you first accepted is the truth. 

2 hours ago, roy11 said:

Schache as the sub gave more options and tactical flexibility than Grundy as the sub. 

Schache doesn't get to enough contests so what are the options?

So the break-glass-in-an-emergency bloke can't get a game when nearly all our forwards fall over?

But he's only 26 so there's still time for him to stamp his mark on the game.  And I hope he can do just that

As for Brodie ... it could be that we didn't play Grundy because we didn't want him to get injured ... a $3Milion liability?

Edited October 12, 20231 yr by Macca

36 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

And if I am? People will believe what they want to believe regardless of what I say… indeed, regardless of what anyone says. Especially when it’s something they don’t like hearing.

 

21 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Accusation???? That’s a strong word right there. I’m not in a position to accuse anyone of anything. As I’ve said, it’s prudent to consider a number of possible explanations instead of assuming the one you first accepted is the truth. 

Channeling Francls Urquhart now ..

 

6 minutes ago, old55 said:

 

Channeling Francls Urquhart now ..

 

I guess 🤷‍♀️ 

55 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i haven't seen any convincing evidence shache can play anywhere, let alone under finals conditions.

sad to say, but true

Well he has played OK at Casey this year.

22 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Well he has played OK at Casey this year.

would like to agree but can't

but vfl aint afl

he's a good kick and mark but not when contested

Edited October 12, 20231 yr by daisycutter