Stats Files - 2022

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 16, 2022 Adelaide Oval - Crows vs Demons

Tracc is back!  Pips Clarry at the statistical post this week.

Let's take a look at how he got there...

24 effectives @ 73% efficiency, 1 contested mark, 2 marks inside 50, 5 clearances, 2 rebound 50s, 6 inside 50s, 6 tackles,  the most score involvements on the night with 11, two intercepts, one tackle inside 50, 451 meters gaines, 3 goals and only 3 turnovers.

I heard the SEN (SA) commentators waxing lyrical about how many tackles Berry made during the match.  He did have a huge tally of 13.  However there was no mention of Clarry at any stage who matched him with his own massive tackle count of 13.

The two Browns fired hitting the scoreboard with two goals a piece.  Lingers best game (statistically) since Rnd 8 vs the Saints where he scored a season high 6.10 (coming second just behind Clarry in that match's rankings).

Top 5 meters gained for the MFC:  May 536, Langdon 532, Lever 495, Salem 453 & Tracc with 451.  The most for both clubs on the night was Dawson with 649.

Player	Score	Rank
C Petracca	6.475	1
C Oliver	6.325	2
Ed Langdon	4.700	3
Steven May	4.425	4
Jake Lever	4.050	5
C Salem	3.300	6
J Jordon	2.975	7
A Brayshaw	2.900	8
Alex N-Bullen	2.900	8
Jake Bowey	2.850	10
T Sparrow	2.775	11
S Weideman #	2.325	12
K Pickett	2.250	13
C Spargo	2.200	14
H Petty	2.100	15
J Harmes	2.075	16
Jack Viney	2.050	17
Ben Brown	1.925	18
M Hibberd	1.750	19
M Brown #	1.625	20
B Fritsch	1.300	21
T Bedford	0.800	22
Team Score	64.08
Top 6	29.28
Bottom 6	9.45

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

Stats courtesy of footywire.com

Edited July 3, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

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Weighted Average Scores up to & including Rnd 16, 2022 vs H&A Season 2021

Most of the top 10 are tracking very nicely and either slightly above their 2021 averages with Jordan, Viney and Jackson showing a significant improvement on last season's output.  Langdon's recent form is looking very promising (touch wood).

Unfortunately all genuine forwards, bar Spargo, are way off their 2021 averages or marginally so in the case of BBB & Fritsch.  Not taking much notice of Sam's big percentage jump as it's off a very low base in 2021.  Ranking wise he hasn't moved anywhere on last season's result.

Lever is slowly bridging the gap on his 2021 form while Harmes appears to be struggling a little with consistency post his return from the hamstring issue.  Salem tracking quite well since his return.

Player	2022 Score	2022 Rank	2021 Score	% Change vs 2021	2021 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2021
C Oliver	5.505	1	5.258	4.70	1	0
C Petracca	4.295	2	4.041	6.29	2	0
Steven May	4.073	3	3.926	3.74	3	0
Jack Viney	4.069	4	3.171	28.32	8	4
A Brayshaw	3.780	5	2.836	33.29	12	7
C Salem	3.656	6	3.879	-5.75	4	-2
Ed Langdon	3.458	7	3.092	11.84	9	2
Max Gawn #	3.369	8	3.439	-2.04	7	-1
L Jackson #	3.238	9	2.355	37.49	21	12
J Jordon	3.117	10	2.908	7.19	10	0
J Harmes	3.076	11	3.520	-12.61	6	-5
Jake Lever	3.038	12	3.661	-17.02	5	-7
T Sparrow	3.029	13	2.023	49.73	28	15
L Dunstan	3.025	14	-	-	-	-
Jake Bowey	2.992	15	2.881	3.85	11	-4
Alex N-Bullen	2.921	16	2.388	22.32	19	3
T Rivers	2.438	17	2.658	-8.28	13	-4
T Bedford	2.274	18	-	-	-	-
C Spargo	2.142	19	2.068	3.58	27	8
H Petty	2.114	20	2.086	1.34	26	6
Joel Smith	1.957	21	1.375	42.33	32	11
K Pickett	1.954	22	2.378	-17.83	20	-2
T McDonald #	1.939	23	2.516	-22.93	15	-8
J Hunt	1.927	24	2.597	-25.80	14	-10
A Tomlinson	1.925	25	2.475	-22.22	16	-9
Bayley Fritsch	1.857	26	2.155	-13.83	25	-1
S Weideman #	1.747	27	1.055	65.59	27	0
Ben Brown #	1.577	28	1.855	-14.99	30	2
Mitch Brown	1.550	29	2.475	-37.37	16	-13
J Melksham	1.433	30	1.853	-22.67	31	1
D Turner>* TOG 49%	1.200	31	-	-	-	-
Average Team Score - Top 22	69.52		67.23	3.41

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

* Only played one match...not an average score

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Edited July 4, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

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Round 17, 2022 GMHBA - Cats vs Demons

While we started off pretty well, seeing May start to fumble, drop marks and run under the ball i thought to myself "hello, hello, what's all this then!?"  From there a few others caught the same fumble bumble disease and slowly but surely we started turning the ball over and gifting the opp a few cheapies.

Got to give it to the Cats though, they also pressured us well around the ball, won their own fair share and had 20 more inside 50s.

Better than us on the high press (harder/longer) and also punished us more often on the turnover.  Method of entry i50 was a level above ours tonight.  They use the spaces well and to their advantage to seek out potential loose receivers in fairly high percentage places.

We've had many matches to work on getting something going with our own forward half play but so far a fail since Macca went down.  You just won't win (defend!) against many teams scoring 8 or 9 goals very often.  Even 10.  You need at least 11 or 12 minimum as we witnessed from the Cats tonight, kicking 12 goals 19 behinds.

Is it time for Goody to take the mantle and start changing things up with how we deliver coming inside and present / work when leading up to those delivering!??  Also wish BB would stop playing from behind so often.  All forwards if you see your fellow player/s under the pump coming through the middle or on the wing, FCS try and at least get front position and be there for the bail out / dump kick under pressure.  Why would you attempt to sit back in the hole in such a high pressure game unless players up the field were on a roll and gifting you a stack of repeat deep entries!??  Ok so leave one player deep eg Kozzy for the over the back crumb or goose.

I think it's super important Goody does step in for a major attempt to tweak if we're to finish this season on a very strong note.  We are flat-lining forward of center (badly!) and the buck stops at Stafford ...and then Goody.  Come on Simon.  Time to step up and get more heavily involved in this aspect of our game IMO and make the most of our (presently) strong ladder position.

Clarry finishes at No.1  and no doubt he was up there for us on the night.  But jeepers i just felt like he over hand balled (again) and that a large proportion of his disposals went nowhere and ended up being pretty ineffective and or resulting in a Cat's turnover & in some cases a goal.

Steven May (8), Viney (6) & Clarry (5) the three worst turnover offenders.  No doubt Viney & Clarry were under intense pressure tonight (heavy locks?).

Most of Viney's efforts coming inside 50 and some of Traccs reminded me of the name of a villain from a fight scene in a god awful 2008 movie, The Incredible Hulk.  For those of you who are lucky enough to forget or even better, haven't seen it, the Hulk had to battle one of his arch enemies... "Abomination"

Player	Score	Rank
C Oliver	6.000	1
Jack Viney	4.875	2
A Brayshaw	4.475	3
J Harmes	3.825	4
Steven May	3.225	5
C Petracca	3.025	6
Jake Lever	2.825	7
H Petty	2.650	8
C Salem	2.525	9
Ed Langdon	2.425	10
Max Gawn #	2.375	11
M Hibberd	2.250	12
J Jordon	2.125	13
Alex N-Bullen	1.950	14
L Jackson #	1.650	15
K Pickett	1.625	16
J Bowey	1.425	17
T Bedford	1.225	18
T Sparrow	1.175	19
Ben Brown #	1.100	20
B Fritsch	1.000	21
C Spargo	0.875	22
Team Score	54.63
Top 6	25.43
Bottom 6	6.80

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

Stats courtesy of footywire.com

Edited July 7, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

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Weighted Average Scores up to & including Rnd 17, 2022 vs H&A Season 2021

Player	2022 Score	2022 Rank	2021 Score	% Change vs 2021	2021 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2021
C Oliver	5.536	1	5.258	5.29	1	0
C Petracca	4.216	2	4.041	4.33	2	0
Jack Viney	4.127	3	3.171	30.15	8	5
Steven May	4.008	4	3.926	2.09	3	-1
A Brayshaw	3.823	5	2.836	34.80	12	7
C Salem	3.430	6	3.879	-11.58	4	-2
Ed Langdon	3.386	7	3.092	9.51	9	2
Max Gawn #	3.298	8	3.439	-4.10	7	-1
J Harmes	3.131	9	3.520	-11.05	6	-3
L Jackson #	3.125	10	2.355	32.70	21	11
J Jordon	3.055	11	2.908	5.06	10	-1
L Dunstan	3.025	12	-	-	-	-
Jake Lever	3.023	13	3.661	-17.43	5	-8
T Sparrow	2.905	14	2.023	43.60	28	14
Jake Bowey	2.894	15	2.881	0.45	11	-4
Alex N-Bullen	2.857	16	2.388	19.64	19	3
T Rivers	2.438	17	2.658	-8.28	13	-4
H Petty	2.168	18	2.086	3.93	26	8
T Bedford	2.114	19	-	-	-	-
C Spargo	2.063	20	2.068	-0.24	27	7
Joel Smith	1.957	21	1.375	42.33	32	11
T McDonald #	1.939	22	2.516	-22.93	15	-7
K Pickett	1.932	23	2.378	-18.76	20	-3
J Hunt	1.927	24	2.597	-25.80	14	-10
A Tomlinson	1.925	25	2.475	-22.22	16	-9
Bayley Fritsch	1.803	26	2.155	-16.33	25	-1
S Weideman #	1.747	27	1.055	65.59	27	0
Mitch Brown	1.550	28	2.475	-37.37	16	-12
Ben Brown #	1.540	29	1.855	-16.98	30	1
J Melksham	1.433	30	1.853	-22.67	31	1
Daniel Turner>*	1.200	31	-	-	-	-
Average Team Score - Top 22	68.52		67.23	1.92

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

* Only played one match...not an average score

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Round 18, 2022 TIO Traegar Park - Demons vs Power

Oi Oi Oi !!!

We all knew Kozzie was capable of great feats.  Being a rookie he was going to have his ups and downs in the first few years.  But....i'm sure many of us were also waiting.  Waiting to see something very special.  We knew he had more in him, above and beyond even the best games witnessed so far.

Well yesterday we got to see the 'A' game of one Mr K Pickett.  And what a performance it was.  How clean was that folks!

When i first saw some of Kozzy's work in the 2019 national carnival & SANFL i thought "hello" what have we got here!  Thank goodness we traded up.  What a get.  Let's look at how he scored his second highest result since joining the club.  His best result (statistically) was a 4.275 vs the Hawks in Rnd 5, 2021...

12 effectives @ 86%, 2 marks inside 50, one 1 percenter, 3 inside 50s, 8 score involvements, 4 intercepts, 326 Meters gained (that's pretty special for a HF i would think), 6 goals and only 1 turnover.

Tracc lays down another impressive result.  His second best for the season with his best result in round 1 vs the Dogs with a massive 7.350

In what might be a good sign, that was also Big Benny's second best result for the season.  His best was coincidentally against the Doggies in round one as well with a 3.150  He racked up 11 effectives @ 79%, 3 contested marks inside 50, 3 one percenters, 1 clearance, 1 inside 50, 2 tackles (one inside 50), 7 score involvements, 225 meters gaines, 1 hit out, 2 goals and 2 turnovers.  Now that's more like it eh.

Tomo also posting a very good result finishing in the top 5.

Top 5 meters gained (MFC):  Petracca 586, May 546, Langdon 499, Viney 473 & Gus with 416

Team score still a little off last season's average, missing by 7%.

Player	Score	Rank
C Petracca	6.950	1
K Pickett	4.000	2
A Brayshaw	3.775	3
Steven May	3.575	4
A Tomlinson	3.500	5
Ed Langdon	3.375	6
B Fritsch	3.225	7
L Jackson #	3.150	8
Ben Brown #	3.125	9
M Hibberd	2.800	10
Jack Viney	2.750	11
J Jordon	2.650	12
C Spargo	2.475	13
A N-Bullen	2.450	14
J Harmes	2.400	15
C Salem	2.000	16
J Melksham	2.000	16
Trent Rivers	1.975	18
Max Gawn #	1.900	19
T Sparrow	1.575	20
Jake Lever	1.400	21
T Bedford	1.325	22
Team Score	62.38
Top 6	25.18
Bottom 6	10.18

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

Stats courtesy of footywire.com

Edited July 18, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

Was quite a show!  Gawn at the wrong end of the table - hope the big fella gets back some form.

[layzie 34,014]

11 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Round 18, 2022 TIO Traegar Park - Demons vs Power

Oi Oi Oi !!!

We all knew Kozzie was capable of great feats.  Being a rookie he was going to have his ups and downs in the first few years.  But....i'm sure many of us were also waiting.  Waiting to see something very special.  We knew he had more in him, above and beyond even the best games witnessed so far.

Well yesterday we got to see the 'A' game of one Mr K Pickett.  And what a performance it was.  How clean was that folks!

When i first saw some of Kozzy's work in the 2019 national carnival & SANFL i thought "hello" what have we got here!  Thank goodness we traded up.  What a get.  Let's look at how he scored his second highest result since joining the club.  His best result (statistically) was a 4.275 vs the Hawks in Rnd 5, 2021...

12 effectives @ 86%, 2 marks inside 50, one 1 percenter, 3 inside 50s, 8 score involvements, 4 intercepts, 326 Meters gained (that's pretty special for a HF i would think), 6 goals and only 1 turnover.

Tracc lays down another impressive result.  His second best for the season with his best result in round 1 vs the Dogs with a massive 7.350

In what might be a good sign, that was also Big Benny's second best result for the season.  His best was coincidentally against the Doggies in round one as well with a 3.150  He racked up 11 effectives @ 79%, 3 contested marks inside 50, 3 one percenters, 1 clearance, 1 inside 50, 2 tackles (one inside 50), 7 score involvements, 225 meters gaines, 1 hit out, 2 goals and 2 turnovers.  Now that's more like it eh.

Tomo also posting a very good result finishing in the top 5.

Top 5 meters gained (MFC):  Petracca 586, May 546, Langdon 499, Viney 473 & Gus with 416

Team score still a little off last season's average, missing by 7%.

Player	Score	Rank
C Petracca	6.950	1
K Pickett	4.000	2
A Brayshaw	3.775	3
Steven May	3.575	4
A Tomlinson	3.500	5
Ed Langdon	3.375	6
B Fritsch	3.225	7
L Jackson #	3.150	8
Ben Brown #	3.125	9
M Hibberd	2.800	10
Jack Viney	2.750	11
J Jordon	2.650	12
C Spargo	2.475	13
A N-Bullen	2.450	14
J Harmes	2.400	15
C Salem	2.000	16
J Melksham	2.000	16
Trent Rivers	1.975	18
Max Gawn #	1.900	19
T Sparrow	1.575	20
Jake Lever	1.400	21
T Bedford	1.325	22
Team Score	62.38
Top 6	25.18
Bottom 6	10.18

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

Stats courtesy of footywire.com

You're a legend Demon Dynasty, cheers!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

On 7/19/2022 at 9:03 AM, layzie said:

You're a legend Demon Dynasty, cheers!

Thanks Layzie if only!

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Weighted Average Scores up to & including Rnd 18, 2022 vs H&A Season 2021

Team score still indicating we are tracking just above 2021 season average.

Player watch:  Salem & Lever struggling after their returns and still a fair way off last season's average.  Harmes slipping slightly away over the last few weeks as well.

Viney, Gus, Jackson, ANB & Sparrow still significantly above their season 2021 averages.  Kozzie making a late run on season 2021.  Petracca starting to get some traction and now up 8% on 2021.  Really stepped up in certain areas last week with Clarry out.

Some of his season averages prior to Port Power...

                   >  Contested 12.5,          Clearances 4.6            & Intercepts 2.5

Vs Power  >  Contested 17 (+4.5)  Clearances 10 (+5.4)  & Intercepts 7 (+4.5)

 

Player	2022 Score	2022 Rank	2021 Score	% Change vs 2021	2021 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2021
C Oliver	5.536	1	5.258	5.29	1	0
C Petracca	4.376	2	4.041	8.29	2	0
Jack Viney	4.035	3	3.171	27.25	8	5
Steven May	3.977	4	3.926	1.30	3	-1
A Brayshaw	3.821	5	2.836	34.73	12	7
Ed Langdon	3.385	6	3.092	9.48	9	3
Max Gawn #	3.205	7	3.439	-6.80	7	0
C Salem	3.192	8	3.879	-17.71	4	-4
L Jackson #	3.127	9	2.355	32.78	21	12
J Harmes	3.081	10	3.520	-12.47	6	-4
J Jordon	3.031	11	2.908	4.23	10	-1
L Dunstan	3.025	12	-	-	-	-
Jake Lever	2.915	13	3.661	-20.38	5	-8
Jake Bowey	2.894	14	2.881	0.45	11	-3
Alex N-Bullen	2.831	15	2.388	18.55	19	4
T Sparrow	2.822	16	2.023	39.50	28	12
T Rivers	2.395	17	2.658	-9.89	13	-4
A Tomlinson	2.188	18	2.475	-11.60	16	-2
H Petty	2.168	19	2.086	3.93	26	7
C Spargo	2.087	20	2.068	0.92	27	7
K Pickett	2.061	21	2.378	-13.33	20	-1
T Bedford	2.009	22	-	-	-	-
Joel Smith	1.957	23	1.375	42.33	32	9
T McDonald #	1.939	24	2.516	-22.93	15	-9
J Hunt	1.927	25	2.597	-25.80	14	-11
Bayley Fritsch	1.887	26	2.155	-12.44	25	-1
S Weideman #	1.747	27	1.055	65.59	27	0
Ben Brown #	1.654	28	1.855	-10.84	30	2
J Melksham	1.575	29	1.853	-15.00	31	2
Mitch Brown	1.550	30	2.475	-37.37	16	-14
Daniel Turner>*TOG 49%	1.200	31	-	-	-	-
	68.16		67.23	1.38

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

* Only played one match...not an average score

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[dworship 3,342]

27 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Player watch:  Salem & Lever struggling after their returns and still a fair way off last season's average.  Harmes slipping slightly away over the last few weeks as well.

Love your work DD. I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere but what is the effect on the ratings if/when game time is taken into account? In relation to Harmes I've noticed in recent weeks he has been spending less time on the field. When you look at last years ratings compared to this year is there also a comparison against time on ground?

This applies to a number of other players as well. If we look at Sparrow; last week he had 60% game time  and a rating of 1.575. Against PA he had 80% game time and a rating of 2.023.

I've been watching the game time stats each week for a number of weeks now and at times have found some surprising figures for individual players. I'm sure some of this is tactical, some is match up/ hot hand based and some is load management.

Finally, is there anywhere I can find game time stats per player across the whole season?

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

8 hours ago, dworship said:

Love your work DD. I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere but what is the effect on the ratings if/when game time is taken into account? In relation to Harmes I've noticed in recent weeks he has been spending less time on the field. When you look at last years ratings compared to this year is there also a comparison against time on ground?

This applies to a number of other players as well. If we look at Sparrow; last week he had 60% game time  and a rating of 1.575. Against PA he had 80% game time and a rating of 2.023.

I've been watching the game time stats each week for a number of weeks now and at times have found some surprising figures for individual players. I'm sure some of this is tactical, some is match up/ hot hand based and some is load management.

Finally, is there anywhere I can find game time stats per player across the whole season?

I have the full season stats on my website: https://www.wheeloratings.com/afl_stats.html

You can filter by team under "Player Filters", but here are the average game time stats for all Melbourne's players this year:

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19 hours ago, dworship said:

Love your work DD. I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere but what is the effect on the ratings if/when game time is taken into account? In relation to Harmes I've noticed in recent weeks he has been spending less time on the field. When you look at last years ratings compared to this year is there also a comparison against time on ground?

Breaking this down into two sections DW.

Firstly re TOG... it's a little like how long is a piece of string, bar injury or being subbed in.  Also not knowing anything from the inside about loading / de-loading / niggles / mild illness / recovery from injury etc, it's a little hard to gauge how to utilise this into an overall rating DW.

In some ways you could argue that a player coming on less, might be coming on in smaller spurts than say a player who is on 95% - 100% of the time and just may be hitting the turf with more energy in each of those stints.  Maybe, and it's a big maybe, racking up a higher number of possessions per minutes played vs say a stayer, like Langdon etc, who might be fatiguing a fair bit in the latter part of quarters/matches, therefore getting a lower ratio of possessions per minute played in the last 5 minutes (or whatever) and possibly during patches in the middle or other stages of quarters later in games?

There's also the role being asked.  Heavy tag might involve more game time but less likely to be racking up the numbers.  Or alternatively tagger's opponent might be playing heavy minutes up forward vs through the middle.  Tagger only asked to cover mid-field minutes for short stints.  Gets freed up to rack up some decent stats after oppo player goes forward (and someone else picks him up) and is still able to play a fair amount of game time due to not as much fatigue factor.  Or the reverse might be true and tagged player is playing heavy mid field minutes.  Tagger asked to cover for much longer through the middle, still gets reasonable game time, but doesn't rack up the numbers so much due to the heavy tag.

There's a squillion other scenarios i'm sure.

Having said that lets look at Harmes pre/post injury this season vs this season's average.  Also Harmes this season vs last H&A average.  Pre / Post injury vs last season's H&A average.  Plus lets look at overall season so far vs his FInals average from 2021 including the GF.  We can also look at last week's game as you mentioned although we should be pretty wary of looking at one off results IMHO (bar injury and being subbed or an injury that causes a player to miss the following week ie., carrying an injury through part of a match).

Harmes 2022 H&A

Pre Injury Ave TOG% = 71.75%

Post Injury Ave TOG% = 75.00%

Looking at his first two games back from injury he had a 69% & 71%.  That's roughly about his pre injury average at 70%.  His next three matches against the Lions, Crows & Cats 82%, 80% & 79% respectively (loading in game?).  Followed by another 69% against the power (de-loading or other factor/s?  Although this is actually still higher than pre-injury averages so go figure!).

Harmes 2021 H&A Ave TOG% = 75.80%

Harmes 2021 Finals Series Ave TOG% = 77.33%

Looking at these averages, Harmes is playing more TOG% post his injury so in theory should be racking up a few more stats.  But actually his rating is slowly dropping away vs his 2021 H&A season average rating and may well be dropping away vs his pre-injury rating.  This has been a gradual drop off since his return it would seem.  Could be something to do with fitness levels post the injury and ability to retain pre-injury levels of fitness?  Is it purely a form issue?  Really hard to tell unless inside the four walls and chatting to Harmes.  All we can do is speculate.

Having said that, 12% off his 2021 average rating is still gettable form for Harmes (assuming all is going right off the field) in time for a serious step up in output in time for a finals campaign.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

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19 hours ago, dworship said:

This applies to a number of other players as well. If we look at Sparrow; last week he had 60% game time  and a rating of 1.575. Against PA he had 80% game time and a rating of 2.023.

I've been watching the game time stats each week for a number of weeks now and at times have found some surprising figures for individual players. I'm sure some of this is tactical, some is match up/ hot hand based and some is load management.

Finally, is there anywhere I can find game time stats per player across the whole season?

Sparrow's previous week against the Cats produced a lowly rating of 1.175 DW.  Last week vs the Power 1.575  Both weeks way off his season average 2.822

If we do a very brainless / simple extrapolation and say he should in theory have a rating that's 20% higher vs the Cats (assuming the same game time of 80% vs Port).  That would result in a rating of 1.410 vs the Cats.  Still behind his match against the Power.  But as stated who knows the reasoning behind some of these numbers. Without knowing the role being asked, loading issues, niggles, quality of opponent, being soft tagged, applying some sort of tag etc, many of these numbers/exercises are pure speculation and in some ways a bit meaningless as we are flying blind!

With regard to the last part do you have/use Excel?  I'm happy to send a copy of the season averages for all players to date on all stats i collect including TOG% if you want to have a look through.  From there you can add your own list filters by stats to see highest/lowest in order to check rankings etc if interested.  Alternatively just go to Wheelo's site up there which looks interesting and appears to offer good drill down options.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[dworship 3,342]

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Sparrow's previous week against the Cats produced a lowly rating of 1.175 DW.  Last week vs the Power 1.575  Both weeks way off his season average 2.822

If we do a very brainless / simple extrapolation and say he should in theory have a rating that's 20% higher vs the Cats (assuming the same game time of 80% vs Port).  That would result in a rating of 1.410 vs the Cats.  Still behind his match against the Power.  But as stated who knows the reasoning behind some of these numbers. Without knowing the role being asked, loading issues, niggles, quality of opponent, being soft tagged, applying some sort of tag etc, many of these numbers/exercises are pure speculation and in some ways a bit meaningless as we are flying blind!

With regard to the last part do you have/use Excel?  I'm happy to send a copy of the season averages for all players to date on all stats i collect including TOG% if you want to have a look through.  From there you can add your own list filters by stats to see highest/lowest in order to check rankings etc if interested.  Alternatively just go to Wheelo's site up there which looks interesting and appears to offer good drill down options.

Thanks DD I've PM'd  you  and I think your reply to my question is insightful and illustrates there is much we don't know and confirms some of the things I have often thought. It often irks me how some critics of players make broad statements about how a player has performed in a given game, based solely on somewhat arbitrary measures that aren't always put into context.

As a case in point the Bedford comments regarding his performance last week suggest he didn't do enough and to some extent that is vindicated in Melksham being retained in the side and Toby has been omitted. Melksham has been preferred, to my mind, because of the 7 tackles he layed and the goal he kicked. Toby had 69% game time and went at 100% . Melksham had 76% game time at 66% efficiency. But this is really a time and opportunity situation. Both players were part of the forward rotation but Bedford did a lot of working back supporting the defence and was involved in 2 important chains that meant Melksham ended up with a goal and a goal assist to BBB. Sometimes it's just lucks a fortune, right time, right place.

It's a different conversation but the talk of trading Bedford is way too premature. He has just turned 22 and is developing nicely. I would dislike Melksham being retained for another year and Bedford moved on as I really believe Bedford can do what Melksham has.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

22 minutes ago, dworship said:

Thanks DD I've PM'd  you  and I think your reply to my question is insightful and illustrates there is much we don't know and confirms some of the things I have often thought. It often irks me how some critics of players make broad statements about how a player has performed in a given game, based solely on somewhat arbitrary measures that aren't always put into context.

As a case in point the Bedford comments regarding his performance last week suggest he didn't do enough and to some extent that is vindicated in Melksham being retained in the side and Toby has been omitted. Melksham has been preferred, to my mind, because of the 7 tackles he layed and the goal he kicked. Toby had 69% game time and went at 100% . Melksham had 76% game time at 66% efficiency. But this is really a time and opportunity situation. Both players were part of the forward rotation but Bedford did a lot of working back supporting the defence and was involved in 2 important chains that meant Melksham ended up with a goal and a goal assist to BBB. Sometimes it's just lucks a fortune, right time, right place.

It's a different conversation but the talk of trading Bedford is way too premature. He has just turned 22 and is developing nicely. I would dislike Melksham being retained for another year and Bedford moved on as I really believe Bedford can do what Melksham has.

Agree on Bedford DW.  Work in progress but would like to see him retained. 

Showed some very promising signs in patches and just needs a good block of games to find his feet at the higher level.

[WheeloRatings 1,163]

14 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Sparrow's previous week against the Cats produced a lowly rating of 1.175 DW.  Last week vs the Power 1.575  Both weeks way off his season average 2.822

If we do a very brainless / simple extrapolation and say he should in theory have a rating that's 20% higher vs the Cats (assuming the same game time of 80% vs Port).  That would result in a rating of 1.410 vs the Cats.  Still behind his match against the Power.  But as stated who knows the reasoning behind some of these numbers. Without knowing the role being asked, loading issues, niggles, quality of opponent, being soft tagged, applying some sort of tag etc, many of these numbers/exercises are pure speculation and in some ways a bit meaningless as we are flying blind!

With regard to the last part do you have/use Excel?  I'm happy to send a copy of the season averages for all players to date on all stats i collect including TOG% if you want to have a look through.  From there you can add your own list filters by stats to see highest/lowest in order to check rankings etc if interested.  Alternatively just go to Wheelo's site up there which looks interesting and appears to offer good drill down options.

I agree that extrapolation of a player's rating (or any stat) based on game time is somewhat meaningless. However, taking game time into account in aggregating player averages across a season can be useful particularly for medi-subs and players injured during a match who may only be on the ground for a very short time or not at all. Instead of extrapolating a particular stat, a weighted average by game time could be calculated for a particular stat across the season.

Salem, for example, only played 13% game time in round 1 which significantly reduces his averages. His average fantasy points is 68.9 across the season but 79.8 excluding round 1. His weighted average based on game time is 78.2 which is probably a better reflection of his average output.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

I agree that extrapolation of a player's rating (or any stat) based on game time is somewhat meaningless. However, taking game time into account in aggregating player averages across a season can be useful particularly for medi-subs and players injured during a match who may only be on the ground for a very short time or not at all. Instead of extrapolating a particular stat, a weighted average by game time could be calculated for a particular stat across the season.

Salem, for example, only played 13% game time in round 1 which significantly reduces his averages. His average fantasy points is 68.9 across the season but 79.8 excluding round 1. His weighted average based on game time is 78.2 which is probably a better reflection of his average output.

Thanks Wheelo.

Yes my weekly season averages table (vs prior season) is weighted and if a player doesn't play a full game (ie;  subbed out / on) i adjust for that round to cater accordingly and ensure their averages are not skewed for comparative purposes.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 19, 2022 Marvel Stadium - Bulldogs vs Demons

Statistically our worst top six performance for the season.  Rivers, Tomo, Spargo & Harmes ...yikes!

Player	Score	Rank
Clayton Oliver	4.400	1
Angus Brayshaw	4.175	2
Christian Petracca	4.025	3
Steven May	3.650	4
Tom Sparrow	3.400	5
Jack Viney	3.350	6
Max Gawn	3.350	6
Christian Salem	3.275	8
Luke Jackson	3.125	9
Harrison Petty	3.000	10
Bayley Fritsch	2.900	11
Alex N-Bullen	2.850	12
Michael Hibberd	2.600	13
James Jordon	2.525	14
Sam Weideman	2.300	15
Jake Melksham	2.250	16
Ed Langdon	2.225	17
Kysaiah Pickett	2.075	18
Trent Rivers	1.525	19
Adam Tomlinson	1.425	20
Charlie Spargo	1.300	21
James Harmes	1.300	21
Team Score	61.03
Top 6	23.00
Bottom 6	9.85

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

Stats courtesy of footywire.com

[DeeZone 10,135]

Wow DD given our poor stats I am amazed that we we were able to hang in there until the last five minutes of the game. We just need to get our team to lift marginally to get back to the winning list.!!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Wow DD given our poor stats I am amazed that we we were able to hang in there until the last five minutes of the game. We just need to get our team to lift marginally to get back to the winning list.!!

Yes it would seem that way DZ.  However how easy is it to flick a switch and it all just clicks?  Especially given the degree of difficulty in the last four rounds.  Really needed to put the Dogs away.

We have had interruptions with maintaining our best team all season.

Then we've seen some of those returning from injury struggle to maintain form such as Lever, Harmes and in his first few weeks post covid ... Tracc.  Dogga has never really regained his pre covid form for consecutive weeks either.

It was a bit of a tale of two halves.  With Clarry another player struggling after half time to maintain his usual high standards and understandably so.  Should we have played him or brought Dunstan in giving him one more week to fully recover?  It was obvious he struggled after half time.  Yes no doubt a better option even under duress but was it worth the risk?

Even though he still finished No.1 (statistically) on the night, that rating (4.40) from Clarry was 20% below his usual season average pre injury (5.53)!

I guess us hanging in there and actually leading for much of the game is a testament to how well we did play for about 2.5 to 3 quarters.  Unfortunately after that the Doggies just kept going and we began to fall away.  The pressure wasn't really there from us from the get go though, allowing the Dogs to post a higher score in a bit of a shoot out.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Weighted Average Scores up to & including Rnd 19, 2022 vs H&A Season 2021

Note:  Adjustment for Dunstan to allow for Rnd 11 subbed factor of only 46% game time (previously missed)...

Player	2022 Score	2022 Rank	2021 Score	% Change vs 2021	2021 Rank	Change in Rank vs 2021
C Oliver	5.469	1	5.258	4.01	1	0
C Petracca	4.357	2	4.041	7.82	2	0
Jack Viney	3.992	3	3.171	25.89	8	5
Steven May	3.942	4	3.926	0.41	3	-1
A Brayshaw	3.840	5	2.836	35.40	12	7
L Dunstan	3.497	6	-	-	-	-
Ed Langdon	3.314	7	3.092	7.18	9	2
J Jordon	3.244	8	2.908	11.55	10	2
Max Gawn #	3.214	9	3.439	-6.54	7	-2
C Salem	3.204	10	3.879	-17.40	4	-6
L Jackson #	3.191	11	2.355	35.50	21	10
J Harmes	3.063	12	3.520	-12.98	6	-6
Jake Bowey	2.894	13	2.881	0.45	11	-2
T Sparrow	2.856	14	2.023	41.18	28	14
Alex N-Bullen	2.832	15	2.388	18.59	19	4
Jake Lever	2.788	16	3.661	-23.85	5	-11
H Petty	2.371	17	2.086	13.66	26	9
T Rivers	2.323	18	2.658	-12.60	13	-5
Joel Smith	2.239	19	1.375	62.84	32	13
A Tomlinson	2.079	20	2.475	-16.00	16	-4
K Pickett	2.062	21	2.378	-13.29	20	-1
C Spargo	2.043	22	2.068	-1.21	27	5
T Bedford	2.023	23	-	-	-	-
Bayley Fritsch	1.943	24	2.155	-9.84	25	1
T McDonald #	1.939	25	2.516	-22.93	15	-10
S Weideman #	1.808	26	1.055	71.37	27	1
J Melksham	1.710	27	1.853	-7.72	31	4
Ben Brown #	1.654	28	1.855	-10.84	30	2
J Hunt	1.604	29	2.597	-38.24	14	-15
Mitch Brown	1.550	30	2.475	-37.37	16	-14
Daniel Turner>*TOG 49%	1.200	31	-	-	-	-
	68.81		67.23	2.36

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

* Only played one match...not an average score

> Subbed out

Edited July 25, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[dworship 3,342]

 

G'day Guys,

Below is an excerpt out of another thread which had me thinking about game time stats again. The question it raises is; can we drill down deeper into this stat and get a figure for TOG by qtr? From a tactics perspective it would make sense to say to a player like Sparrow; go flat out in say qtr 1&2 and have him spend the majority of his time on ground during those quarters. Then in the second half give him limited time in rotation and play someone like Harmes in the same role for the second half.

On 7/23/2022 at 11:25 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

Played 2 good quarters and then went missing in the 2nd half.

He had 5 disposals for the last two quarters. Still not doing enough for me.

This is one of those questions I've posed on the "stats" thread. Sparrow only played 65% game time.

It would be great to know what his time on ground was in the 2nd half. So when you say he went missing, maybe he really was. I don't know the answer to that but I would love it if someone did.

 

[DeeZone 10,135]

Thanks DD there have been a lot of improvements this year JV and Gus the standouts along with Petty, ANB, LJ, Sparrow and JJ but we have a lot of drop offs as well - Lever, Kozzie, Salem, Harmes, Fritta, BBB and Tommo all down on last years form. So plenty of room for improvement.

Go Dees. !!!!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

18 hours ago, dworship said:

 

G'day Guys,

Below is an excerpt out of another thread which had me thinking about game time stats again. The question it raises is; can we drill down deeper into this stat and get a figure for TOG by qtr? From a tactics perspective it would make sense to say to a player like Sparrow; go flat out in say qtr 1&2 and have him spend the majority of his time on ground during those quarters. Then in the second half give him limited time in rotation and play someone like Harmes in the same role for the second half.

This is one of those questions I've posed on the "stats" thread. Sparrow only played 65% game time.

It would be great to know what his time on ground was in the 2nd half. So when you say he went missing, maybe he really was. I don't know the answer to that but I would love it if someone did.

 

Would be nice but i don't know of anyone that's supplying TOG by quarter DW.  Champion probably supply to the clubs & AFL media

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Round 20, 2022 Optus Stadium - Dockers vs Demons

Brayshaw back into the middle with a bang!  His second best rating for the season.  His best against the Bombers in Rnd three with a top of the table 6.35

Let's look at a few highlights... 20 effectives @ 71% efficiency.  4 Clearances (all from stoppage), 9 inside 50s, 6 tackles, 7 score involvements, a massive 9 intercepts, 564 meters gained (the most for the Demons).

Tracc's second number one rating since his return after his covid week off.  26 effectives @ 87%, 6 clearances, 7 inside 50s, 8 tackles (3 inside 50), 10 score involvements, 491 meters gained and a miserly 2 turnovers.

The team's overall rating of 62.33 was off last year's average of 67.23 by 7% and further off this year's (68.81).  So i'd be tempering this performance a little, even given the greasy conditions and playing away.  That's a fair way off and we would need a major lift from some of the stars and next rung players to beat the Pies IMV who are probably running at another level at this point.

Namely the likes of Clarry, Max, Jackson, Salem, Sparrow, Lever, ANB & Weid (if playing).  It was only one match so not hanging my hat on just Friday night's performance from those listed, but Even May was off this season's and last season's average by 21%.  That's a fair amount of form to claw back within a week (that's if the numbers are a reasonable indicator of form which in this case they may not be of course...could be many factors that lead to that rating on this particular night).

Player	Rating	Rank
C Petracca	6.500	1
A Brayshaw	5.450	2
Jack Viney	4.875	3
Ed Langdon	3.900	4
M Hibberd	3.550	5
C Oliver	3.100	6
S May	3.100	6
T Rivers	2.975	8
J Jordon	2.675	9
Max Gawn #	2.500	10
K Pickett	2.475	11
J Hunt	2.400	12
H Petty	2.375	13
B Fritsch	2.300	14
C Salem	2.250	15
C Spargo	2.200	16
T Sparrow	2.175	17
L Jackson #	2.050	18
J Melksham	2.025	19
Jake Lever	1.675	20
Alex N-Bullen	1.000	21
S Weideman #	0.775	22
Team Score	62.33
Top 6	27.38
Bottom 6	9.70

# Hit outs to advantage not captured

Stats courtesy of footywire.com

Edited July 31, 2022 by Demon Dynasty