7 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

They got Scully and Patton for nothing though

That's true, but they were still taking up list spots that Hawthorn desperately needed to be utilised by developing the next batch young kids, not some injury prone has beens.  I can see the attraction to Patton, but to have both him and Scully was daft.

22 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Ah SWYL - The Hanging Judge - predictable comments.

Can you provide evidence that his offences deserved jail. No doubt you would have given Liam Jurrah 10 years in the slammer for his indiscretions.

I happen to believe in redemption & 2nd chances. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity & am sorry he retired.

I guess you never stuffed up in your 20's.

I never ended up in a divvy van in the 70’s or 80’s if that’s what you mean 

And I certainly didn’t sexually stalk women

But i was no angel either

If he is truly sorry and recognises the error of his ways then yes it would be worthwhile him speaking to other young men. He has seen both sides of the story so could speak with more authority. He does need to be genuinely remorseful though. It can't be part of some PR rehabilitation exercise.

13 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

If he is truly sorry and recognises the error of his ways then yes it would be worthwhile him speaking to other young men. He has seen both sides of the story so could speak with more authority. He does need to be genuinely remorseful though. It can't be part of some PR rehabilitation exercise.

 

really? has he?

of course he says he's sorry, i'd be sorry and remorseful if i'd got caught out too

what makes you think he has any idea of how women should be treated

he's the one who first needs some education, not "teaching" others just because he's some sort of celebrity

10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

 

really? has he?

of course he says he's sorry, i'd be sorry and remorseful if i'd got caught out too

what makes you think he has any idea of how women should be treated

he's the one who first needs some education, not "teaching" others just because he's some sort of celebrity

? % agree

The only reason he stopped doing it, is because he got caught. 
 

Crocodile Tears “remorse”

Ex crims who have realised the error of their ways often spend time trying to educate younger folk who are susceptible to crime to follow a different path. there is nothing unusual or remarkable about that.

As i said he has to be genuinely remorseful not for being caught but for what he did. i have no idea whether he is or isn't sorry about that and neither do you.

If he has spent the past few months educating himself then perhaps he does know now how women should be treated. Again i don't know.

And i don't remember saying anything about his celebrity making him any more or less wise or knowledgeable. It's neither here nor there. An unknown bloke in the same position could speak to this issue just as well, better perhaps.

47 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

That's true, but they were still taking up list spots that Hawthorn desperately needed to be utilised by developing the next batch young kids, not some injury prone has beens.  I can see the attraction to Patton, but to have both him and Scully was daft.

Plus the salary cap space, which would not have been insignificant 

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

Ex crims who have realised the error of their ways often spend time trying to educate younger folk who are susceptible to crime to follow a different path. there is nothing unusual or remarkable about that.

As i said he has to be genuinely remorseful not for being caught but for what he did. i have no idea whether he is or isn't sorry about that and neither do you.

If he has spent the past few months educating himself then perhaps he does know now how women should be treated. Again i don't know.

And i don't remember saying anything about his celebrity making him any more or less wise or knowledgeable. It's neither here nor there. An unknown bloke in the same position could speak to this issue just as well, better perhaps.

Edited April 17, 20214 yr by daisycutter

11 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

A shame for mine.  He claims to have genuine regret for his actions. I would have liked to see him become a spokesman & educate young players coming into the system on how to relate to women properly.

Good to see that he's remorseful. On the other hand you can't put him up as an example of someone who could demonstrate to others how to relate to women properly. On exposed form this seems like something he couldn't possibly be capable of doing.

All men can learn from his ill considered actions and women would be better off as a result