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On first looks,  this makes a lot more sense,  than the AFL taking control of the VFL some years back.  Which IMO is a disaster.

AFL, ffs,  set the VFL independently free,  to work their way back into the local communities.  The loss of the VFL would be a disaster for footy.

The AFL isn't in a war with everyone.  It doesn't have to behave like Nth Korea or China.  Taking over everything in sight.

 

IF the AFL were ever to collapse,  I'd want the VFL still established, to carry on.

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    10 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

    On first looks,  this makes a lot more sense,  than the AFL taking control of the VFL some years back.  Which IMO is a disaster.

    AFL, ffs,  set the VFL independently free,  to work their way back into the local communities.  The loss of the VFL would be a disaster for footy.

    The AFL isn't in a war with everyone.  It doesn't have to behave like Nth Korea or China.  Taking over everything in sight.

     

    IF the AFL were ever to collapse,  I'd want the VFL still established, to carry on.

    I don't think the current VFL model is particulalry beneficial with it being part-reserves, part-State league, but I'm also not confident that if it is set free from the AFL it will survive as an independent competition. I get what you're asking for, but there's a huge risk that rather than survive, the VFL might implode.

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    11 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

    The AFL isn't in a war with everyone.  It doesn't have to behave like Nth Korea or China.  Taking over everything in sight.

    You sure you don't mean the USA? I haven't noticed China or North Korea taking anyone over, nor have they dropped a bomb on anyone, nor fired a shot. More than I can say about the USA.

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    2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    I don't think the current VFL model is particulalry beneficial with it being part-reserves, part-State league, but I'm also not confident that if it is set free from the AFL it will survive as an independent competition. I get what you're asking for, but there's a huge risk that rather than survive, the VFL might implode.

    The VFL won't last a day without the AFL club involvement...

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    I noticed that King was also talking up zones last night.

    I hope they don't fall for this.

    The worst mistake the AFL could ever make is to reintroduce zones.

    I also hope the cut the current faux zones out in the revamp...

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    58 minutes ago, rjay said:

    The VFL won't last a day without the AFL club involvement...

    Agree... it will be relegated to another suburban comp at the low maintenance ovals.

    The AFL's willingness to ditch many of  its peripheral programmes while ignoring the bigger issue of player salaries in a declining revenue period is disheartening.

    Edited by Diamond_Jim

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    2 hours ago, dieter said:

    You sure you don't mean the USA? I haven't noticed China or North Korea taking anyone over, nor have they dropped a bomb on anyone, nor fired a shot. More than I can say about the USA.

    Well, China is marching south thru the Sth China sea,  bullying other Sth Asian nations on the seas.   And building war facilities,  on atolls in the sth china sea.

    Now we see,  Kim Jong-Un's mysterious disappearance,  and China sending a medical team in to kill him off, err,  save him?

     

    I believe the USA is far more transparent,  than China is,  currently. 

    Apart from the US's involvement in Iraq... and the recent middle east wars.

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    52 minutes ago, rjay said:

    I noticed that King was also talking up zones last night.

    I hope they don't fall for this.

    The worst mistake the AFL could ever make is to reintroduce zones.

    I also hope the cut the current faux zones out in the revamp...

    Yes they will.  It will fold back down,  and regrow as the community involvement thing it once was.

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    2 hours ago, dieter said:

    nor have they dropped a bomb on anyone, nor fired a shot.

    'dt'... you must have missed the news on little-rocket man, Kim Jong-Un.? 

    I heard he was firing of ICBM's,  over the Sea of Japan.?

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    3 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    I don't think the current VFL model is particulalry beneficial with it being part-reserves, part-State league, but I'm also not confident that if it is set free from the AFL it will survive as an independent competition. I get what you're asking for, but there's a huge risk that rather than survive, the VFL might implode.

    I think it will reinstate as the community footy once again. Even if it goes broke firstly.

    The local communities will rally behind it.  Resurrecting it.

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    Firsts, seconds and under 19s is a model that worked very well for a long period of time although with drafting under 19 players can no longer be tied to a team beyond their under 19 year. In the meantime they can learn the game under a senior AFL team.

    Change the system so that each team can have only 35 (or any other number) on their official lists but players can be readily added or removed from their lists using the seconds and under 19s(temporarily) if warranted.

    Enhance the appeal of the seconds and the under 19s with club loyalty. Who cares about u18 Dragons when you can barrack for Demons u19.

    In the barren years after '64 watching the seconds and u19s play in finals and even win flags was a lift to our spirits. They were Demon flags.

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    1 hour ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

    'dt'... you must have missed the news on little-rocket man, Kim Jong-Un.? 

    I heard he was firing of ICBM's,  over the Sea of Japan.?

    You must have missed the news: the USA bombed Somalia yesterday. 

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    1 hour ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

    Yes they will.  It will fold back down,  and regrow as the community involvement thing it once was.

    Not a chance 'Favourite'...

    The community space is already taken.

    Some of the more stable clubs may join the stronger competitions, Willy and Werribee maybe in one of the Western area comps but even clubs like Port may struggle as they are broke.

    Box Hill without the Hawks wouldn't make it to the EFL.

    There's no supporter base in the area for them, the local supporters already have their clubs.

    No AFL backing = no TV = no VFL.

    As a competition the VFL will not survive.

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    21 minutes ago, dieter said:

    the USA bombed Somalia yesterday. 

    Your right, I did.

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    I see that >>>

    The US military has admitted to causing civilian casualties as a result of an air strike in Somalia in February.

    A statement from US Africa Command said on Monday that two civilians were killed and three injured during the attack.  The statement adds that the same attack killed two members of the Islamist militant group, al-Shabab.

    Amnesty International says the air strike killed a banana farmer and an employee of a telecoms company. 

    "Regrettably two civilians were killed and three others injured in a [23] February 2019 airstrike," said Gen Stephen Townsend, the head of US Africa Command.

    "We have the highest respect for our Somali friends and we are deeply sorry this occurred,"  he said.  The report claims that the civilians were hurt after munitions stored by the Somali militant group blew up in a secondary explosion.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52443962

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    al-shabab  >>>  Al-Shabab means The Youth in Arabic.

    It emerged as the radical youth wing of Somalia's now-defunct Union of Islamic Courts, which controlled Mogadishu in 2006, before being forced out by Ethiopian forces.   There are numerous reports of foreign jihadists going to Somalia to help al-Shabab, from neighbouring countries, as well as the US and Europe.

    ///  Al-Shabab advocates the Saudi-inspired Wahhabi version of Islam, while most Somalis are Sufis.

    It has imposed a strict version of Sharia in areas under its control, including stoning to death women accused of adultery and amputating the hands of thieves.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15336689

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    It's alla entwined web of confused theologies.  too much for me to go through and learn.

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    32 minutes ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

    Your right, I did.

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    I see that >>>

    The US military has admitted to causing civilian casualties as a result of an air strike in Somalia in February.

    A statement from US Africa Command said on Monday that two civilians were killed and three injured during the attack.  The statement adds that the same attack killed two members of the Islamist militant group, al-Shabab.

    Amnesty International says the air strike killed a banana farmer and an employee of a telecoms company. 

    "Regrettably two civilians were killed and three others injured in a [23] February 2019 airstrike," said Gen Stephen Townsend, the head of US Africa Command.

    "We have the highest respect for our Somali friends and we are deeply sorry this occurred,"  he said.  The report claims that the civilians were hurt after munitions stored by the Somali militant group blew up in a secondary explosion.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52443962

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    al-shabab  >>>  Al-Shabab means The Youth in Arabic.

    It emerged as the radical youth wing of Somalia's now-defunct Union of Islamic Courts, which controlled Mogadishu in 2006, before being forced out by Ethiopian forces.   There are numerous reports of foreign jihadists going to Somalia to help al-Shabab, from neighbouring countries, as well as the US and Europe.

    ///  Al-Shabab advocates the Saudi-inspired Wahhabi version of Islam, while most Somalis are Sufis.

    It has imposed a strict version of Sharia in areas under its control, including stoning to death women accused of adultery and amputating the hands of thieves.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15336689

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    It's alla entwined web of confused theologies.  too much for me to go through and learn.

    Stick to footy, Martian. You needlessly brought politics and history you clearly have a very narrow knowledge of into this. I hope your knowledge of footy is a bit less sheep like.

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    On 4/28/2020 at 2:40 PM, tiers said:

    Can we stick to footy?

    Yes, there does seem to be a disconnect between the reintroduction of the Under 19's competition and its likely impact on economic and political stability in the greater asian region.

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