Demons Grand Plan for Yarra Park Training HQ

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

11 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

I am not up to date with what has and has not been proposed, but from my professional experience I would be astounded if any Yarra Park proposal would get up, as much as we all may want it to. Taking over historic, heritage parkland, changing the historic layout, removing trees and blocking existing views into the parkland from outside are just a few of the key problems a proposal would face and thus would undoubtably fail.

I think the only location close by that would have a chance of succeeding IMO would be proposing a development on Goshs Paddock ovals 1 and 2. It’s an area that is already a sporting precinct, does not have the heritage issues and any tall development would not block public views. Obviously there are still issues to be faced, including relocating the current tenants of GP Oval 1. 

However,I don’t expect we will hear anything about our new home until a formal proposal is prepared and lodged with the relevant Authorities. I hope it is soon. 

Solid idea but you need to combine it with a social utility program if you want State/Federal funding for the development. Not impossible but it may not be the easiest place to run that argument.

[old dee 23,881]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Solid idea but you need to combine it with a social utility program if you want State/Federal funding for the development. Not impossible but it may not be the easiest place to run that argument.

Tough probably DJ but there is no where else close to the G. Appears to be there or the outer suburbs.

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

4 minutes ago, old dee said:

Tough probably DJ but there is no where else close to the G. Appears to be there or the outer suburbs.

Agree  ... the outer suburbs almost self select... if we were a richer club we could possibly go ahead with a  solo development but that is not the case.

I hope we are also doing the sums on a co-development with Collingwood and/or Richmond.

[old dee 23,881]

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Agree  ... the outer suburbs almost self select... if we were a richer club we could possibly go ahead with a  solo development but that is not the case.

I hope we are also doing the sums on a co-development with Collingwood and/or Richmond.

Why DJ? Why give a sucker an even break if I were the Pies or Tigers.

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Why DJ? Why give a sucker an even break if I were the Pies or Tigers.

I agree with what you say from a Richmond/Collingwood perspective but I see it as one way and perhaps the only way of retaining a near city presence.

Perhaps needs to be driven by the AFL but I cannot see the justification for ten mega training facilities being built in Melbourne.

If the price was that we trained on different days even the less favoured days (perhaps year and year about with favoured days) it is better that the comparatively sub standard facility that will almost certainly come our way if we persist with the idea of a near city base.

[old dee 23,881]

24 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I agree with what you say from a Richmond/Collingwood perspective but I see it as one way and perhaps the only way of retaining a near city presence.

Perhaps needs to be driven by the AFL but I cannot see the justification for ten mega training facilities being built in Melbourne.

If the price was that we trained on different days even the less favoured days (perhaps year and year about with favoured days) it is better that the comparatively sub standard facility that will almost certainly come our way if we persist with the idea of a near city base.

If only footy clubs were that magnanimous DJ. I could be proven wrong but I struggle to see anything over than the suburbs for the MFC. 

[deebug 1,754]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

If only footy clubs were that magnanimous DJ. I could be proven wrong but I struggle to see anything over than the suburbs for the MFC. 

14 hours ago, old dee said:

My guess is a week before the next AGM.

I'm not sure if this has said before? 

What about the old holden factory or even if it's big enough?

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

48 minutes ago, deebug said:

I'm not sure if this has said before? 

What about the old holden factory or even if it's big enough?

The state Government have well and truly earmaked that place for a new yuppie suburb deebug.

If we had wanted to be part of it we needed to move at least ten years ago if not twenty.

Now the Ford site at Broadmeadows might be a possibility... ticks a lot of boxes... but I must admit to knowing little about the long term plans for the site.

On a similar note what about the old Toyota site at Altona?

 

https://www.caradvice.com.au/588355/toyota-australias-altona-factory-closes/

Edited May 22, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[old dee 23,881]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The state Government have well and truly earmaked that place for a new yuppie suburb deebug.

If we had wanted to be part of it we needed to move at least ten years ago if not twenty.

Now the Ford site at Broadmeadows might be a possibility... ticks a lot of boxes... but I must admit to knowing little about the long term plans for the site.

On a similar note what about the old Toyota site at Altona?

 

https://www.caradvice.com.au/588355/toyota-australias-altona-factory-closes/

DJ how can you live with yourself suggesting a site more than 5 mins from the G!!!!!!!!!!

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

DJ how can you live with yourself suggesting a site more than 5 mins from the G!!!!!!!!!!

and where would we put the social club

[old dee 23,881]

14 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

and where would we put the social club

In the basement under the pies castle?

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

Just now, old dee said:

In the basement under the pies castle?

Nah I'm picturing one of those computer generated bars.

The walls would be blue (IIRC correctly this is better than white) and then we would project computer generated images on to the walls.

One night it could be hell on earth or a similarly themed Demon club and the next a jailhouse themed room of black and white.

Of course both themes would be replete with interactive wagering facilities that are now de rigeur not to mention socially acceptable by comparison to pokies.

When you get up off the floor after rolling around in laughter have a quiet think.... not as silly as it seems.

[old dee 23,881]

58 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Nah I'm picturing one of those computer generated bars.

The walls would be blue (IIRC correctly this is better than white) and then we would project computer generated images on to the walls.

One night it could be hell on earth or a similarly themed Demon club and the next a jailhouse themed room of black and white.

Of course both themes would be replete with interactive wagering facilities that are now de rigeur not to mention socially acceptable by comparison to pokies.

When you get up off the floor after rolling around in laughter have a quiet think.... not as silly as it seems.

After reading that I feel like I am in some parallel universe.

If I stay here do the Dees win the flag?

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

14 minutes ago, old dee said:

After reading that I feel like I am in some parallel universe.

If I stay here do the Dees win the flag?

that's the benefit of alternative worlds.. you can just move the goal posts so that all of Tracc's shots sail right through the middle.

Edited May 22, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

16 minutes ago, old dee said:

After reading that I feel like I am in some parallel universe.

If I stay here do the Dees win the flag?

That's funny as i feel like i've been in the twilight zone for about 48 years OD and in that time i'm pretty sure i only saw one night premiership.  If you happen to see a day one anytime can you let me know pls.  Knowing my luck it's a topsy turvy universe with you on the bright side and me on the dark and i won't even know about it!

[Sorry kids 635]

28 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

That's funny as i feel like i've been in the twilight zone for about 48 years OD and in that time i'm pretty sure i only saw one night premiership.  If you happen to see a day one anytime can you let me know pls.  Knowing my luck it's a topsy turvy universe with you on the bright side and me on the dark and i won't even know about it!

Old South Melb ground, yeah.I remember lots of smokes being lit and stacks of cans of beer. Rough as guts crowd but a safe place for a kid at the same time.

[old dee 23,881]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

that's the benefit of alternative worlds.. you can just move the goal posts so that all of Tracc's shots sail right through the middle.

So on the weekend when he continues to miss I will know I am in the same one I have been in since 1964.

Oh my god in the other one we have probably won ten flags and I have missed the lot.

Now where did leave the single malt?

 

[deebug 1,754]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The state Government have well and truly earmaked that place for a new yuppie suburb deebug.

If we had wanted to be part of it we needed to move at least ten years ago if not twenty.

Now the Ford site at Broadmeadows might be a possibility... ticks a lot of boxes... but I must admit to knowing little about the long term plans for the site.

On a similar note what about the old Toyota site at Altona?

 

https://www.caradvice.com.au/588355/toyota-australias-altona-factory-closes/

Thank you DJ such a dam shame.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, Sorry kids said:

Old South Melb ground, yeah.I remember lots of smokes being lit and stacks of cans of beer. Rough as guts crowd but a safe place for a kid at the same time.

I must have entered another dimension SK.  That's gone right over my smallish grey matter!

[DV8 2,271]

9 hours ago, old dee said:

Tough probably DJ but there is no where else close to the G. Appears to be there or the outer suburbs.

I think we will need both...  eventually,  'OD'.  being optimistic.

But I see Gosch's paddock as our 1st and main need,  right now...  just one oval,  but with building for Offices, Gym, and Social facilities...  as we grow the club,  I see another a complex similar to what the Hawks are doing now. 

But we maintain the inner heartland oval and building,  with Social facilities as our meeting place.  

A Selection-Evening training, could be held at Gosch's for the selection announcements.

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

13 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I must have entered another dimension SK.  That's gone right over my smallish grey matter!

May we ask your vintage RN ?

Sorry Kids is referring to the original night series. It was played near the end of the season and was between the teams who didn't make the finals. The games were played at the old Lakeside Oval and due to the lack of strong lighting both on the ground and in the crowd area the event was notorious.

You of course are referring to our magnificent win at Waverley in 1987

Some wonderful history

This article contains some info on what they term the VFL night series...(Looks like we won in 1971 !!... the last year it was played)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFL_Night_Series

The 1987 series is apparently known as the AFL night series

Edited May 22, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[Sorry kids 635]

10 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

I must have entered another dimension SK.  That's gone right over my smallish grey matter!

My memory is of winning a night flag at the old Sth Melbourne ground. Late 60s, early 70s, I could be wrong after all these years though. Anyone else remember.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

10 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

May we ask your vintage RN ?

Sorry Kids is referring to the original night series. It was played near the end of the season and was between the teams who didn't make the finals. The games were played at the old Lakeside Oval and due to the lack of strong lighting both on the ground and in the crowd area the event was notorious.

You of course are referring to our magnificent win at Waverley in 1987

Some wonderful history

This article contains some info on what they term the VFL night series...(Looks like we won in 1971 !!... the last year it was played)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFL_Night_Series

The 1987 series is apparently known as the AFL night series

No chance DJ.  I prefer to remain under the delusion that I'm still at least young at heart.  Getting old is not something i like to be reminded of or account for.  Having said that i might need to change my nic to Rusty 'Old' Nails shortly.

I see that the official crowd in that last VFL night premiership of ours was 21,000 odd and the largest was 37,000 odd in 1965  between Norf & the Blues.  Quite a crowd for shoddy old lakeside!

17 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

My memory is of winning a night flag at the old Sth Melbourne ground. Late 60s, early 70s, I could be wrong after all these years though. Anyone else remember.

Ty chaps.  Yes I forgot about the token night series back then.  I commenced attending (some games) about 1970, courtesy of older bro, but wouldn't have been allowed out after 5pm and certainly not without mum & dad in 71!

Edited May 22, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[praha 11,240]

On 5/21/2019 at 9:47 PM, Neil Crompton said:

Taking over historic, heritage parkland, changing the historic layout, removing trees and blocking existing views into the parkland from outside are just a few of the key problems a proposal would face and thus would undoubtably fail.

Every area is "historic" in context, Neil. We allow cars to park every week on this "historic" parkland. I've lived in East Melbourne and have been privy to the community events, meetings and whatnot. These are people that spend weeks debating whether or not an alleyway down a backstreet should be named after a madam that used to own a brothel during WW2. It is a bubble of a suburb where its long-term residence live in delusion that the world surrounds them, rather than them being part of the world. You couldn't find a more isolated and self-important group of people if you tried.

Turning a small part of the park into an oval with a thin layer of metal pole fencing isn't going to "change the historic layout". Nor is a building over railway tracks. If I learned anything while living in the area it's that if we listened to absolutely everything the inner-city champagne socialists spew, we'd likely still be getting around in horse and carriage. 

Edited May 22, 2019 by praha

[Diamond_Jim 12,629]

1 hour ago, Rusty Nails said:

I see that the official crowd in that last VFL night premiership of ours was 21,000 odd and the largest was 37,000 odd in 1965  between Norf & the Blues.  Quite a crowd for shoddy old lakeside! 

Must say the crowd numbers surprised me as well.

Six o'clock closing was not removed until 1966 and the comp started in 1956. I wonder if they had a special liquor licence that may go someway towards explaining the high attendances.