The Final Quarter

[Moonshadow 17,675]

6 hours ago, scarlett said:

I never boo'd goodes. But i didnt like the way i thought he went about it. What he tried to do i like, the way he came across i didnt.

I saw his press conference the day after he pointed out the girl for the first time in the doco, while ignorance is no excuse i only knew it was racist because of the andrew symonds vs indian fans situation, she was a bit young to remember that. He handled that quite poorly, but the next day quite well and put supporting the girl above any other issue, never saw that at tge time and it wasnt discussed around the water cooler. The invasion day line was also different than i thought, there were many interviews and they seemed to proceed with a line of questioning that would draw that answer. The spear throwing, while it showed something different and intriguing, when he did it i thought the aggression at the opposition supporters was never about a underage teams cultural war dance, it was about adam goodes's anger.

Goodes never was an afl wide favourite. He was respected but not adored by opposition fans, and when the ugly parts of his game became more and more prominent, and then other issues come up people judge from previous impressions.

So, after all that, i dont believe the majority of the boo's were racist. I have more time for goodes now than i did before, not because im a little bit less racist, its because i saw new evidence, mob group think can alter information. These types of documentaries are quite one sided though and make everyone on the opposite side of the narrative look quite bad, and has done so to the fans. Eddys comments were just bad though, no excuses. Sam's i think are a bit like the above, seemed he made his comments on the mob think narrative, but being in media perhaps he should have had his finger on the  pulse.

 

One issue I'd like to raise is, people seemed to boo more when they were told it was racist and offensive. Like when i tell my child not to do something she will do it twice as much to prove she can, so, if what you are doing or saying has come from a non racist thought/feeling with no rascial intention, is it only decided by the individual that its racist if they get offended? Could someone order a coffer black and i get offended, and that person is now a racsist. 

I'll finish with this line this time. I dont like adam goodes, but i have more time for him than i used to. So am i racist?

Are saying that you didn't know that referring to a black person as a monkey is racist? How could it be anything but?

Edited July 26, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Neil Crompton 5,508]

21 hours ago, scarlett said:

 

I'll finish with this line this time. I dont like adam goodes, but i have more time for him than i used to. So am i racist?

If you don’t like Adam Goodes as a footballer, then you are a poor judge of a player, but nothing more.

If you don’t like Adam Goodes as a person then, unless you have met him and know him personally, then I think there is a good chance that you are a racist.

[Little Goffy 14,451]

10 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

If you don’t like Adam Goodes as a footballer, then you are a poor judge of a player, but nothing more.

If you don’t like Adam Goodes as a person then, unless you have met him and know him personally, then I think there is a good chance that you are a racist.

Ease up, Scarlett did specifically and in a bit of detail talk about how he now realises that he had been given a wrong impression through media slant, hype, and so forth. He also says that now that he's seen the actual interviews and comments Goodes made he 'has a lot more time for him'.

Seriously, a guy comes out and says 'I acknowledge I had a wrong impression' and you still leap on the tiniest phrase to infer that 'you're probably a racist'. [censored] move. Pull your ego out of it and let some actual healing happen.

 

[Neil Crompton 5,508]

55 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Ease up, Scarlett did specifically and in a bit of detail talk about how he now realises that he had been given a wrong impression through media slant, hype, and so forth. He also says that now that he's seen the actual interviews and comments Goodes made he 'has a lot more time for him'.

Seriously, a guy comes out and says 'I acknowledge I had a wrong impression' and you still leap on the tiniest phrase to infer that 'you're probably a racist'. [censored] move. Pull your ego out of it and let some actual healing happen.

 

Come on LG. Hold your fire. I admire Scarlett for his honesty. I think that doco was extremely powerful in making us all question our definition of racism. Scarlett has questioned his and I have certainly questioned mine. It’s so easy to see examples of racism in another country. But it’s hard to acknowledge it when it’s so close to home, and when it’s something that we haven’t been really challenged on before.

Scarlett specifically asked the question “am I a racist?”.   I gave my thoughts. I also realise I have been just as guilty in the past. So no ego involved, but agree with you , let the healing begin.

[jnrmac 20,055]

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

8 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

 

I remember Lewis punching a young player in the jaw, yet weirdly he hasn't been booed every game since... Weird.

[Moonshadow 17,675]

17 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

 

I reckon you could find a clip like that for nearly every player whose played 300+ games in the last 30 years. Perhaps most who've played 200+ games. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Gaff is still being booed at every game at every venue right? Right.....?

[Little Goffy 14,451]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

I reckon you could find a clip like that for nearly every player whose played 300+ games in the last 30 years. Perhaps most who've played 200+ games. 

And that's just specifically for whacking Simon Godfrey!

Hall and Everitt immediately come to mind as other candidates in the Godfrey-smashing game. Maybe it is part of being listed as All-Australian in the 2000s?

Kind of like the current policy of Browlow medallists being allowed to whack people in the face, except back then it was compulsory.

So... just leaving a thought out there... if jnrmac is going to the trouble of digging up ancient footage of misdemeanors and only bringing the one of Goodes... that kind of implies that there might be some... um... 'ulterior motive', shall we euphemistically say.

[scarlett 247]

19 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Are saying that you didn't know that referring to a black person as a monkey is racist? How could it be anything but?

I was in school around the time symonds was being called a monkey from the stands, i'd never been called a monkey or called someone a monkey as a rascial slur before that, as i said, i was young and maybe it just hadnt happened yet.

3 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

If you don’t like Adam Goodes as a footballer, then you are a poor judge of a player, but nothing more.

If you don’t like Adam Goodes as a person then, unless you have met him and know him personally, then I think there is a good chance that you are a racist.

I dont like wayne carey either, i havent met him, what will you label me for that?

I hope i dont upset my sisters young girls next time i see them, blurting out rascial slurs and booing at them. Taking them up to darwin where they're dads from, when my sister was sick and couldnt go, experiencing that with them and a welcoming family was really tuff seeing theyre heritage and my mothers being rascist. While my mother was indigenous, noone believed her when told, you could not tell, she was white, and we grew up in a regional city and it wasnt a big part of my life, my father was born in india to an english dad and english indian mother, my siblings and i copped rascial discrimination multiple times a day due to this, even teachers and still constantly do by adults that would never say these types of things about indigenous. Be honest, do you have an image or pre-concieved impression when indian is mentioned? A lot do. It used to get to me growing up, but i never threw an imaginary hot bowl of curry at my classmates with all that anger. 

If some poor uneducated yobbo attacked my nieces, id be devastated with them, i would try and teach them not to let it get to them too much, and dont be a victim. dont let someones flaw become your flaw. its rarer now than 25 years ago. Im not saying everyone who boo'd or doesnt like goodes has the same reasons, some were rascially motivated.

I dont want anyone to be the butt of the  joke because they're different, i seem used to it now and dont bother getting offended. Goodes had it tuff with thousands booing him weekly, and this is what i realized from the doco, was he the one who raised it being rascist or was it the opposite group think that jump on something like this and push it to make them feel good about themselves, insulting others calling them rascist. Remembering back i think goodes was mainly quite on the reason why?

Now i dont believe i have rascist undertones, i dont think i have any undertones. cant i just have an opinion on a person?

@Neil Crompton you have just made an assumptiom about me. Without knowing me. I am not upset or having a go at you, if you believe that if someone doesnt like someone, and if they are coloured, then they may be rascist, thats fine, you may be drawing that from past experiences. I will ask you and others who all seem very quick to point the finger and mark someone as rascist, maybe what a person has said may be rascist, but if people get called a rascist when they dont believe they are, its the Australian way to dig your heels in. Which i think contributed to goodes.

Sorry for the long post,  it was strange typing most of it out.