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8 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Funny you say inside 50s and forwards. I re-watched the 4th qtr and Jack Viney kicked directly to McGovern/Hurn for an intercept mark on 3 occasions in the space of 10-15 minutes.

It’s not just his kicking, it’s his decision making, too. On two of those occasions he had handball options over the top which would have allowed the next player to kick behind Hurn/McGovern which is one strategy to beat them. A captain just can’t be making such fundamental poor decisions.

Fixing Jack Viney leads to better inside 50s and better forwards.

I think the lack of initial speed has him thinking he is about to be tackled when escaping congestion.

The ball just goes straight to boot (panic perceived pressure bail out) and he kicks as long as he can (usually a high looping bomb) into the 50.

Exactly the sort of kick you don't want coming inside 50 against the Eagles (and many others when playing a spare etc).

He wasn't alone here either.

Did Goody & Co. and our leaders (Viney/Jones) learn nothing from the successful Port chaos method, using quick tumble punts or long flat kicks, coming inside 50?  If there was an award for the dumbest club each week there wouldn't be much room left in the display cabinet i reckon and that's just this season!  The method was right in front of us merely a few weeks ago and we still ignored it.

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    On 5/19/2019 at 8:08 PM, picket fence said:

    Hnmm Ok Ill play, ball 

    Played nearly 150 with De La Salle OCFC 

    I was a highly skilled HFF, Think Bruest that's the way I played

    And a few with what was known as Melbourne U /19 s before that

    And you ??

    Next Question?

    Ok, so I reckon that puts you in the late 50’s/early 60’s age demographic? I get your frustration and bitterness, that’s me too!

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    12 hours ago, bingers said:

    Cheers bro ...

    No worries at all.....

    I've been frustrated with lack of common sense from some idiots on this site who vent for the sake of venting to the younger brigade of our team as the reason why we are having an [censored] year. Players like ANB, Harmes, Hunt, O'Mac, Fritsch, Stretch, & Wagner have always been in the gun when all they ever do is bust their rings at every opportunity. (Keeping in mind that these guys aren't afforded the opportunities that most of our senior & highly rated & early draft pick players are given.) 

    I remember that CP was struggling to get a kick for about 8 weeks last season & needed time in the 2's, but no, he kept on getting a game & yet Wagner & in particular Stretch played one bad game & its 'see ya later fella's'.

    The problem is not with these guys & is with the senior players & our high pick draftees.

    So, for example, ANB runs more than any other player on the ground, has great intensity & is totally accountable for his role &  his player......Nathan Jones is totally unaccountable, chases kicks, is selfish & plays like a captain shouldn't play. (Does he play like Selwood , Hodge, Fyfe or Pendlebury....protect & educate our younger lads?) I believe Jonesy is getting better with that role but he's been forking killing us for years. And please, comparisons with Tulip....give me a break.

    I know Guss had a great year last season but along with Viney, is in the top 3 in the AFL (792 players) for the worst efficiency disposal.....& CP , has been quoted as the laziest player in the team (by one of the assistant coaches to my face). JV, as you said, too predictable & tries to be a hero all the time & bust as many tackles rather than follow the 'team first' moto. It's so obvious & kicks to the opposition more times than any other player in our team....FM

    & some posters have a continual dig at Frost, ANB, Hunt & Stretch re their disposal. All accountable, team first mentality & run more deffensively than any other players in the team. Maybe check out their efficiency & tracking as stats don't lie.

    Maybe track Gus' & Oliver's accountability & efficiency next time & see how they stack up with these blokes.

    Before some of you comment next time, keep in mind that you sound uneducated about our great game & some of your comments are comical. Its time for some of our senior players to take accountability. If you've played the game them you would know this. What our club needs is continued effort & an understanding of what the players roles are & acknowledgement of this will see some rapid improvement.

    sorry rant finished......

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    He’s become our Richie Vandenberg.

    Apart from being a tough player, I don’t know what he offers. He has no weapons by foot, he’s a bad decision maker also.

    i just struggle to see how we can have a captain who’s supposed to lead by example but then makes bad decisions and turns it over. It’s hypocritical if he pulls another guy into line when he’s doing it himself.

    We just need one captain in 2020, and it’s Max Gawn.

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    Viney and Jones can co-captain Casey. Along with Lewis, that would be where they are best placed in our club. Help fast track any youth we have coming through. 

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    I worry about Jack , because I reckon both he and Tommy Mac have sore feet !!

    He is nearly a liability in the middle now because he has misplaced the "oomph" factor he had twp years ago.

    We talk about lack of "grunt "in our forward line , yet we have an inside mid sitting outside in Gus.

    Why not play Jack as small fwd. After the first contested ball the opposition will know he is in the area. At the moment we are really not exhibiting enough pressure in locking the ball in. Put him in a confined area to learn and he could be a big asset to the team. We have inside mids already and unfortunately he is not in our top 4.

    To play as a small forward, you need to be quick or dangerous. If you are lucky and get a mixture of both we are laughing.

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    2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

    He’s become our Richie Vandenberg.

    Apart from being a tough player, I don’t know what he offers. He has no weapons by foot, he’s a bad decision maker also.

    i just struggle to see how we can have a captain who’s supposed to lead by example but then makes bad decisions and turns it over. It’s hypocritical if he pulls another guy into line when he’s doing it himself.

    We just need one captain in 2020, and it’s Max Gawn.

    And so say..... Most of us?? 

    Agree extremely limited player!

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