Post Match Discussion - Round 14

[Watts Jurrah Dunn? 735]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Ah, so you're one of those supporters who focuses on one negative thing but forgets the rest?  That's all I need to know.

I'm one of those supporters that expects $800k money men with fancy free haircuts to deliver in big games against good opposition.

[dees189227 12,391]

According to twitter tom has gone to have scans to get checked out and see if he is ok to fly home. I hope he is ok because we can't afford to lose him

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

1 hour ago, brendan said:

29 more inside 50s is a disgrace not to win, just cost a top 4 spot 

beat me to it, if you cant beat a team with 29 more inside 50's you have some short comings.

[DeeZee 7,392]

I still feel we need that third tall forward.

Weideman would take another defender off Hogan and TMac.

Even Pederson was stiff to be dropped as I thought he freed up TMac also considering we didn’t give our forwards many chances against the pies 

[Adam The God 30,239]

Our inability to be clean inside 50 and connect regularly with each other / have any forward half synergy, meant that we didn't capitalise early on our ridiculous midfield dominance. 

I have so much love for Neville Jetta though. Feel like adding him on Facebook. What a star. I wish all our leaders played like him. 

Tom McDonald looked really good early on.

Viney, Oliver and Brayshaw had good games.

Gawn battled manfully but still continues to tap to ridiculously dangerous spots at times.

Melksham is now a gun for us. It feels as if when he gets it across half forward, we score 90% of the time. His kicking is beautiful. However, tonight he was absolutely murdered by the umpires. Should have had at least two goals and instead had about 3 free kicks against.

Just on this, it was the first time this year I felt the umpiring was incredibly one-sided throughout (the QB performance was only lopsided the first half).

ANB continues to make stupid mistakes with ball in hand. Harmes was better, but fumbled when it mattered.

Oscar wasn't immune from mistakes either - why didn't he handball to his team mate in space, rather than try kicking it 5 metres and turning it over. Fortunately, Joel Smith's spearing tackle knocked the ball free to Jetts. How did Oscar get caught on the mark too? That cost us another goal. Poor communication back there.

Petracca was impotent again for 3 and a bit quarters. He drifts in and out of games far too much for my liking. He's played 50 games now and struts around as if he's an A grader. It'd be really good if we didn't have to wait another season for him to play consistent footy, but I fear that's on the cards.

And then there's Hogan. WTF was he doing tonight? He spent the first three quarters inexplicably trying to crumb the packs when it clearly wasn't working and then his night was summed up in the last two minutes, when he failed to take a relatively gettable contested mark in our forward line, only for it to ping outside 50 and see Westhoff take the contested mark that he couldn't.

Hogan's inability to compete in the air meant our system consistently broke down. How does one player lose so much confidence across one game? He was flying heading into the Collingwood match and against Port, he looked like he was afraid of body contact. He's lost his creativity far too easily. 

Then there were our leaders. Jetta was brilliant. Lewis was passable. But Vince was ordinary. Hibberd was uncharacteristically fumbly and continually beaten one out. And Jones. He was terrible. Is there a worse captain in the league? Maybe Jarryd Geary or Marc Murphy. His leadership was found wanting yet again in a crucial game for the club. He's really on the cusp of B and C grade these days. His leg speed is becoming a real issue and were Viney 2 years older, I'd say give Viney the sole captaincy. I bang on about his leadership whenever we lose, but so often when the game is there to be won, Jones is fumbly, or tries to take on too many players, or simply kicks it long in hope. 

You could tell we were cooked when Smith, McDonald and Jetta all went down within 2-3 minutes. The umpires killed us, but to not kick a goal in over 40 minutes of football, it's no wonder these media muppets keep saying we need to earn respect. I didn't think we'd win tonight, but I thought we should have. We just don't seem to have the leadership yet and until we do, we won't win these important games or earn respect.

 

 

 

 

[worldwideweb_demon 90]

Really frustrating game to watch for me even if we were leading.

Not an expert but, you can see that despite all the dominance with clearances and inside 50s, we struggled to have decent shots at goals or kicks to advantage in attack. On the other hand, when port did go forward, they were always dangerous. You can say it's a combination of our forwards like petracca being fumbling or hogan just can stick a mark. But perhaps their defence is just too good compared to ours?

Losing lever seems to be like a 4, 5 goal disadvantage. For example, surely he would have been there to help brayshaw at the goal line being outmarked by that power player? Just feel we've gone back to the defensive struggles of last year. Our attacking free flowing game is so beautiful to watch, but we break down against good teams. 

Umpires didnt help but we're simply not good enough. Not sure how we can fix our problems this year.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

 Port rebounded 55 times from their defensive 50 to our 24, we just kick it straight to them for sucks fake.

We dont have any composure whats so ever.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,212]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Rubbish.  Murdered Dixon all night and was paid two of the softest 50 metre penalties in history against him tonight.

That last 50 that allowed Westhoff to kick the sealer was criminal. Are you not allowed to contest the mark to spoil anymore?

Yeah we shot ourselves in the foot and too many players went missing but the umpiring in the 2nd half was farcical. We probably had the better if it early but not they made up for it later.

Just shattering when you think pretenders like Wingard and Thomas are allowed to have the last laugh.

Another horrible one was the goal that resulted from a Jetta free kick (2nd last one). Yeah he got him high but just prior to that we should have had a free kick for holding the ball forward of centre and then Gray blatantly throws the ball out which created the contest that resulted in the free against Jetta. The umpiribg if this sport is farcical, no accountability, no consistency, no idea

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

Unforgivable not having anyone on the line with Dixon. We didn't do the little things well enough. Flat track bullies.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

We dont have the smarts to go with the best still way to naive.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,212]

1 hour ago, CityDee said:

So port set themselves for a big game - where willing to hurt a few , we need to get back to a last game philosophy.

No tomorrow. 

We matched/bettered them for intensity. We just didn't have the polish, too many fumbles, too many kicks to Ports advantage too many players fighting over the same footy, too many players not taking their opportunities going forward etc. We should've won by 5 goals, that bloody hurts.

[SFebes 4,884]

Viney's negatives (decisions/disposal/pointless over-aggression) almost outweigh his positives.

Lewis, Tyson, Vince just about finished. 

We lost because of our inside 50s, besides Melksham and Fritsch, we don’t have any good kicks, even Salem is going backwards Imo.

Jones, one of the worst leaders in the comp and typifies the flat track bully name we deserve, when has this guy ever stood up in a big game? He’s also losing touch with the game, looking slow and raking up cheap possessions 

Anyway, off to enjoy the weekend with the family, more to life than footy.

Two big chances in as many weeks and completely blew it, Melbourne style and expected 

 

Edited June 22, 2018 by SFebey

[Dr. Gonzo 24,212]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

By the way, that was a mark to Brayshaw at the end.

I didn't think it was but when they pay it at the other end to Wingard it should go both ways.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

32 minutes ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

We lost it due to a lack of skill going inside 50 and non-existent crumbing options once it was in there.

10 inside midfielders was too many. 

Time for Jeffy to come back in, he is ready now he would have learnt his lessons. Takes a quality back away.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

Tell us what you think ...

We lost momentum when Tim Smith, TMc, and another, went off injured together for a time, in the 2nd half.  The Power took the initiative at that point, and eventually hit the front.

We had been controlling the game up till the injuries.

And we also had the rough end of the umpires stik on a number of occasions during the game, at either end. Port got some soft frees within their scoring range,,, and we were denied an number of times, in our 50.

 

All in all I'm not that disappointed, considering the crowd and the umpires efforts, and we only really went down, because of being frustrated inside our 50.

I thought we fought the game really toughly, and manfully. We need more of these big games, full of pressure and expectation, as they only make us stronger.

The more of these big games we play, the harder edged we become.

 

I see on the ladder we are only 2 games behind top spot, so at the half-way mark, I think we have little to complain about, on-field.

A few tweaks here or there, and a few little wake-up nudges are needed, just to remind some of what stakes they are playing for.

September, were coming to meet you.

Edited June 22, 2018 by DV8

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

1 hour ago, Bates Mate said:

Gutted too many passengers tonight. Petracca , hannan, tyson, anb , hogan , t smith, were all missing

Bus full of Passengers, i thought i saw a few familiar faces on the bus with me too the game. T Smith not up too it ANB F me hopeless, Hogan going up for marks with 1 hand is he injured? losing patience.

[Demons11 7,009]

1 hour ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

How many goals did Dixon kick? 

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[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

Petracca and Hogan in a big time rut.

[Jesse the 2nd. 7]

Would like to bring some reality to this thread. I am hurting just as much as everyone else, not performing on the big stage is very frustrating when we as supporters understand the potential of our team but tonight you can put the loss down to a few other factors beside us being "pretenders". 

1. The loss of Lever is proving to be one of the biggest outs we could have, ironic considering all the talk at the start of the year about him being overpaid and needing to find his feet. Our back line structure is in an unstable state at the moment. 

2. Port had their bye a few weeks ago and are in a good rhythm, first game back for us and we looked a bit off the pace of AFL and more like a practice game at times.  

3. Port recognised the danger of Tmac 1 on 1 and flooded their backline, never allowing him or hogan any room. Our players have faith in Tommy besides the congestion and wanted to kick to him anyway, sadly it didn't work out. 

Unnecessary to swing the axe at any players, T. Smith had a crack, Tyson clumsy but added to the midfield and Omac continues to build as a dominant 1 on 1 defender. Viney back with a vengeance, good experience under intense pressure, we will scalp one or two good sides and make the finals easily. 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

Just now, Demons11 said:

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1 when he marked on the line.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

Lewis and Vince cant play in the same team anymore.

[rolling fog 1,207]

24 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

He put it back to the journos what did they think, then trotted out the diplomatic line about it being a tough job etc and it wasn’t the difference....

I got the feeling he was holding back there...although Goody did also finish with a subtle dig at the current trial of four field umpires happening at the moment, and noting that free kick counts are up across the last two weeks.

Anyway...it all counts for jack shizen now anyway

[rolling fog 1,207]

19 minutes ago, A F said:

Our inability to be clean inside 50 and connect regularly with each other / have any forward half synergy, meant that we didn't capitalise early on our ridiculous midfield dominance. 

I have so much love for Neville Jetta though. Feel like adding him on Facebook. What a star. I wish all our leaders played like him. 

Tom McDonald looked really good early on.

Viney, Oliver and Brayshaw had good games.

Gawn battled manfully but still continues to tap to ridiculously dangerous spots at times.

Melksham is now a gun for us. It feels as if when he gets it across half forward, we score 90% of the time. His kicking is beautiful. However, tonight he was absolutely murdered by the umpires. Should have had at least two goals and instead had about 3 free kicks against.

Just on this, it was the first time this year I felt the umpiring was incredibly one-sided throughout (the QB performance was only lopsided the first half).

ANB continues to make stupid mistakes with ball in hand. Harmes was better, but fumbled when it mattered.

Oscar wasn't immune from mistakes either - why didn't he handball to his team mate in space, rather than try kicking it 5 metres and turning it over. Fortunately, Joel Smith's spearing tackle knocked the ball free to Jetts. How did Oscar get caught on the mark too? That cost us another goal. Poor communication back there.

Petracca was impotent again for 3 and a bit quarters. He drifts in and out of games far too much for my liking. He's played 50 games now and struts around as if he's an A grader. It'd be really good if we didn't have to wait another season for him to play consistent footy, but I fear that's on the cards.

And then there's Hogan. WTF was he doing tonight? He spent the first three quarters inexplicably trying to crumb the packs when it clearly wasn't working and then his night was summed up in the last two minutes, when he failed to take a relatively gettable contested mark in our forward line, only for it to ping outside 50 and see Westhoff take the contested mark that he couldn't.

Hogan's inability to compete in the air meant our system consistently broke down. How does one player lose so much confidence across one game? He was flying heading into the Collingwood match and against Port, he looked like he was afraid of body contact. He's lost his creativity far too easily. 

Then there were our leaders. Jetta was brilliant. Lewis was passable. But Vince was ordinary. Hibberd was uncharacteristically fumbly and continually beaten one out. And Jones. He was terrible. Is there a worse captain in the league? Maybe Jarryd Geary or Marc Murphy. His leadership was found wanting yet again in a crucial game for the club. He's really on the cusp of B and C grade these days. His leg speed is becoming a real issue and were Viney 2 years older, I'd say give Viney the sole captaincy. I bang on about his leadership whenever we lose, but so often when the game is there to be won, Jones is fumbly, or tries to take on too many players, or simply kicks it long in hope. 

You could tell we were cooked when Smith, McDonald and Jetta all went down within 2-3 minutes. The umpires killed us, but to not kick a goal in over 40 minutes of football, it's no wonder these media muppets keep saying we need to earn respect. I didn't think we'd win tonight, but I thought we should have. We just don't seem to have the leadership yet and until we do, we won't win these important games or earn respect.

 

 

 

 

Good summary there AF. Might have skimmed over it, but your thoughts on Tyson after a spell in the magoos?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,212]

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I was at the Dogs game 3 weeks ago and watched Hogan mark absolutely everything and just dominate. Chris Judd said on the following Monday he was the best player in the competition at the present moment.

What has happened in 2 games of football?

Wasn't even going for marks tonight. Have a look at Dermie breaking down his game at half time on Fox, he continually ran past the drop of the ball to get front and centre. He's a key forward FFS not a crumber/flanker. Not sure what went on in his head tonight, I would have out him in the middle to get him around the footy and left him there. It's as though he didn't want to get in TMacs way.

[Adam The God 30,239]

25 minutes ago, the rolling fog said:

Good summary there AF. Might have skimmed over it, but your thoughts on Tyson after a spell in the magoos?

Pretty bloody bog ordinary, mate. Was he injured/sore in the second half? Seemed to go missing for 2 quarters and sat on the bench for much of the last.