Frankston v Casey Demons - Round 7

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

After that thumping win we have jumped to 4th.

We now play Port away on Saturday (is it on tv?)

It should be a comfortable 5 goal win with the way we are going

GO THE MIGHTY DEES!

[Return to Glory 7,682]

6 minutes ago, John Dee said:

I was born in Frankston and this was the first footy ground I went to. My dad was chief trainer at the club and we went to the Frankston game every Saturday. I don’t know what league they were playing in then but I do remember that they played in St Kilda jumpers.

They replaced the Northern side stand JD but the old Southern side stand remains. It's a pity the oval/venue doesn't get the crowds it deserves...if that makes sense.

[monoccular 16,009]

5 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

What about Weid?

Does a calf and he could have a couple of blokes ahead of him this time tomorrow!

Interesting if he (Weed) was actually being ‘managed’ and not really injured.  I still think he adds a lot to the ‘structure’. 

 

4 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

ANB in 9th spot for tackles i50 behind Hannan, Weids & Fritsch (6th, 7th & 8th respectively)

Is that in the whole comp? Hadn’t appreciated that.  

4 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Just came back from the game. One way traffic but a couple of observations.

Oskar Baker made several poor decisions and this was a little disappointing. Needs to inject himself into the game a bit more. And get rid of that shite haircut. If you're playing badly don't bring attention to it. I made a point of watching his game and there's clearly potential but I left unconvinced about his footy smarts (this coming from someone who was a really dumb player)

Jayden Hunt played ok but chip kicks aren't his go. Good voice out on the field.

JKH is too smart a footballer for this level but is probably unlucky to be at Melbourne given our number of mids.

Pedo was outstanding.

Bugg has presence and, to his credit, he was very good today.

So does JKH have any trade value IYO?

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2 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

After that thumping win we have jumped to 4th.

We now play Port away on Saturday (is it on tv?)

It should be a comfortable 5 goal win with the way we are going

GO THE MIGHTY DEES!

Knowing bloody ch-7, they'll put the Magpies on again. Like today.   Channel black & white, is CH-7

[Return to Glory 7,682]

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Interesting if he (Weed) was actually being ‘managed’ and not really injured.  I still think he adds a lot to the ‘structure’. 

 

Is that in the whole comp? Hadn’t appreciated that.  

So does JKH have any trade value IYO?

No. That doesn't mean that he can't make something of his career but, right at the minute, no.

[DV8 2,271]

5 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

They replaced the Northern side stand JD but the old Southern side stand remains. It's a pity the oval/venue doesn't get the crowds it deserves...if that makes sense.

One day it will all turn about.  C ommunity

[WERRIDEE 5,198]

Just now, DV8 said:

Knowing bloody ch-7, they'll put the Magpies on again. Like today.   Channel black & white, is CH-7

CH 7 games start at 2:10 don't they? If they do it will be North v Box Hill DAMN IT!

[Constant Mongrel 571]

5 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Yeh a chase down for holding the ball and a snap goal

Is also in our top 5 for forward 50 tackles behind Pedders, Clarry, Jeffy, and Harmes

so jeff has missed what, 3 AFL games this year? and he's in the top 5 for pressure? curious.. so if he was back in, he could potentially be no. 1 for pressure? curiouser and curiouser..

[DV8 2,271]

8 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

CH 7 games start at 2:10 don't they? If they do it will be North v Box Hill DAMN IT!

Today it was Coburg V Collingwood, which started at 2.00PM.  Everytime I look for VFL footy on TV, its shown in bloody Black and White vertical stripes.

No amount of tuning seems to rid the Vertical Stripes from ruining the game.

[Bleasey as that 87]

1 hour ago, Toad33 said:

Hey Bleasey thanks for your take on today's game.

I haven't posted for a couple of years (probably) but needed to respond re: your comment that Balic could be a chance for a game towards the end of the year.

I like to think and believe that as a club we are now past gifting potential 'next season' rookies a game 'just to give them a taste' at the end of a season......why because I hope......NO.....I know we will have players like Pedo, Garlett, Frost, Wagner, Stretch, Bugg etc. that are working extra hard, hungry and fighting for a spot in our 2018 finals side(s).

Don't get me wrong, I hope Balic is working his arse off too and I would like nothing more than to see his performances and work ethic push him ahead of those more senior players playing his role..........but whether you are an observer, supporter or member we should ALL expect and demand that the most 'in form' and 'balanced' team is selected each week regardless of a players name or their games played!

I suspect 'Goody' has the same opinion and that is why 'Jeffy' is playing for Casey.

FWIW

I think JKH should start to 'bunk up' and train with Nev Jetta so he can learn to be 'hard and accountable' and hopefully develop into Nev's replacement.

 

Over-and-out for another few years......

I think you’ve misinterpreted my comments about Balic being a chance for a game towards the end of the year.

 

I definitely don’t think he’ll be gifted a game “just to give him a taste” and I definitely don’t think he is a “next season rookie” - whatever that actually means!

 

From what I saw today, I think that if he continues to develop and play the way goody likes his players to play, he will be a chance to force his way into the team based on form and talent. He is a strong bodied half forward/mid and if his form keeps trending in the right direction, he’ll challenge ANB/Harmes for a similar spot in the team.

 

He has missed a lot of footy over the last two years so we’ll keep an eye on him as I said after watching him today he has plenty of upside.

 

Go Dees!

[Demonland 64,387]

MAGIC BY THE BAY by KC from Casey

 

The honour of tossing the coin to start the much anticipated Round 7 match up at between VFL neighbours Frankston and Casey at SkyBus Stadium was given to former Melbourne star Brett Lovett who coached at both clubs and whose son Jake played with Casey before joining the Dolphins this year.

 

And for the game's opening 15 minutes, it seemed as if Lovett had put a magical spell on the home team which played as if inspired by the occasion. The Dolphins were back in the competition after a year’s recess, they were winning games having already taken scalps in North Melbourne and Coburg and they were running rings around the Demons. But for their inaccuracy – they led 1.6.12 to 0.1.1 with a slight  breeze at their backs – they were seemingly in control of the game and on course for one of the season’s biggest upsets to date. 

 

It was at this point however, that Casey’s strong marking forward, Cam Pedersen, stepped up to the plate and, with two goals in the space of a little over two minutes, the Demon train was back on the rails and the Dolphin resistance was over for the day.

 

Frankston fought manfully but it simply didn’t have the fire power. The stand alone team was virtually cobbled together in the off season and even contains a handful of former Casey listed players who moved across to Kars Street in search of a senior game after the abolishment of the Development League at the end of last year. They were always going to struggle against a Demons' team with 15 AFL listed players, and that’s exactly what happened with Casey kicking 19 goals to three after quarter time.

 

The win was set up by a seven goal unanswered second term in which Pedersen and Tom Bugg were dominant and the rampage continued into the second half, rounded off with an eight goal last quarter that ended with Pedersen (6), Bugg (5) and Angus Scott (3) as Casey’s multiple goal kickers. 

 

Frankston was held to its lowest score of the season and even that was helped by a late goal in junk time just seconds before the final siren. 

 

Pederson was simply unstoppable, booting 6.1, taking ten marks, effecting eight crunching tackles, picking up 21 disposals and labouring as a backup in a losing ruck. It was a dominant display, almost matched by partner in crime Bugg who had the same number of touches and booted five majors.

 

Despite the weak opposition on the day, Casey can point to a team performance in achieving its big win. When the team was under pressure early in the game, the defence stood firm and hustled the Dolphin forwards into error, contributing to their inaccuracy. 

 

There  were winners everywhere with Sam Frost, Jayden Hunt and Jeff Garlett shining and youngsters Oskar Baker and Harry Petty showing great promise for the future. Mitch White, Jay Lockhart and the ever-reliable Angus Scott were all major contributors on the day with the former relishing his role around the ground and finishing off the game with a goal.

 

After two wins in a row, Casey is back in the running for a top four placing and have a big game coming up against Port Melbourne at Fortburn Stadium on Saturday afternoon.

 

PETER JACKSON VFL 2018

 

Casey Demons 2.2.14 9.7.61 13.8.86 21.13.139

 

Frankston Dolphins 1.6.12 1.7.13 3.8.26 4.9.33

 

Goals

 

Casey Demons Pedersen 6 Bugg 5 Scott 3 Baker Balic Garlett Lewis, Lockhart Munro White

 

Frankston Dolphins  Fordham Grace Rich Williams 

 

Best

 

Casey Demons Pedersen Frost Lockhart White Garlett Hunt

 

Frankston Dolphins Fordham Pierce Scagliarini Gill-Renouf McCarthy Mock

 

Statistics 

 

Oskar Baker 1 goal 7 kicks 14 handballs 21 disposals 4 marks 3 tackles 80 dream team points 

Harley Balic 1 goal 1 behind 8 kicks 7 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 65 dream team points 

Tomas Bugg 5 goals 12 kicks 9 handballs 21 disposals 5 marks 9 tackles 139 dream team points 

Jake Di Pasquale 1 behind 4 kicks 1 handballs 5 disposals 2 marks 2 tackles 26 dream team points   

Lachlan Filipovic 1 kicks 5 handballs 6 disposals 2 tackles 11 hit outs 27 dream team points 

Sam Frost 7 kicks 4 handballs 11 disposals 5 marks 44 dream team points 

Jeff Garlett 1 goal 1 behind 7 kicks 11 handballs 18 disposals 4 tackles 63 dream team points 

Jayden Hunt 18 kicks 6 handballs 24 disposals 7 marks 81 dream team points 

Dion Johnstone 3 kicks 1 handballs 4 disposals 1 mark 3 tackles 20 dream team points 

Declan Keilty 6 kicks 2 handballs 8 disposals 5 marks 1 tackles 41 dream team points 

Jay Kennedy Harris 1 behind 10 kicks 10 handballs 20 disposals 3 marks 10 tackles 99 dream team points 

Mitchell Lewis  1 goal 7 kicks 5 handballs 11 disposals 4 marks 5 tackles 69 dream team points

Jay Lockhart 1 goal 4 kicks 10 handballs 14 disposals 5 tackles 55 dream team points 

Goy Lok 2 behinds 10 kicks 4 handballs 14 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 70 dream team points 

James Munro 1 goal 6 kicks 10 handballs 16 disposals 5 marks 7 tackles 79 dream team points 

Cameron Pedersen 6 goals 1 behinds 15 kicks 6 handballs 21 disposals 10 marks 8 tackles 8 hit outs 165 dream team points 

Harrison Petty 8 kicks 6 handballs 14 disposals 5 marks 2 tackles 57 dream team points 

Angus Scott 3 goals 1 behinds 13 kicks 6 handballs 19 disposals 12 marks 4 tackles 120 dream team points 

Joel Smith 6 kicks 10 handballs 16 disposals 5 marks 5 tackles 73 dream team points 

Billy Stretch 1 behind 4 kicks 13 handballs 17 disposals 2 marks 6 tackles 63 dream team points 

Corey Wagner 10 kicks 4 handballs 14 disposals 3 marks 7 tackles 75 dream team points

Josh Wagner 14 kicks 5 handballs 19 disposals 1 marks 4 tackles 71 dream team points 

Mitchell White 1 goal 1 behind 12 kicks 3 handballs 15 disposals 2 marks 8 tackles 5 hit outs 92 dream team points

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16 hours ago, Rocky said:

so jeff has missed what, 3 AFL games this year? and he's in the top 5 for pressure? curious.. so if he was back in, he could potentially be no. 1 for pressure? curiouser and curiouser..

Hmm. Goody and his favourites again?

[Demon Dynasty 15,186]

22 hours ago, monoccular said:

Interesting if he (Weed) was actually being ‘managed’ and not really injured.  I still think he adds a lot to the ‘structure’. 

 

Is that in the whole comp? Hadn’t appreciated that.  

So does JKH have any trade value IYO?

Just the Demons Mono, although after today who knows!!

[Demon Dynasty 15,186]

On 5/19/2018 at 8:22 PM, Rocky said:

so jeff has missed what, 3 AFL games this year? and he's in the top 5 for pressure? curious.. so if he was back in, he could potentially be no. 1 for pressure? curiouser and curiouser..

Top 5 for tackles i50 only Rocky.   Ranked No.4 of 29 guys who have played 2 games or more so far this season (for averaging purposes). 

Spargo seems to be the guy being compared, ranked 18th here.

Obviously that's one pressure stat but there are others of course, such as 1%ers, Pressure Points (not publicly available accept via the Hun), Pressure Acts and no doubt others that the coaches get from Champion Data we don't have access to.

The only other easily accessible publicly available pressure indicators are....

• 1%ers where Jeffy is ranked 29th vs Spargo ranked 24th; and
• Defensive half pressure acts with Spargo just ahead here on 3.3 per match vs Jeffy's 2.4

So as you can see Jeffy is winning in one defensive stat but not so much (albeit still not far off) in the two others vs Spargo.

Offensively Jeffy wins out in goal kicking averages 1.8 v 1.3 per match but then Spargo is ahead in other areas such as effective disposals (averaging about 5 more per game).  Watching the two review videos from AFL StatsPro Spargo seems to get to a few more contests higher up the field vs Jeffy and working a little harder both ways.  Maybe a work rate issue with Jeffy or could just be what is being asked from Jeffy by the coaches (eg., to play more time closer to the goals).  Hard to compare the two reviews though given the level of intensity / pressure in the Tigers match (Jeffy) vs the Blues (Spargo) where it was obviously nothing near that level.

Obviously the Coaches are looking at a whole lot of factors other than stats, including offensive / defensive work rate, how effective they're playing the role that was asked etc.  They are also getting a whole stack of assistance from game/post game / opposition strategists who are putting together some interesting stuff behind the scenes to assist the Coach / line coaches.  In the end they are in the best position to determine who is on track.  We can only pontificate from the bleaches and try and take it in at the ground and on tv / replays etc where we are likely missing a fair whack of what's going on.  Not to mention how they are going on the track during the week.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I270653,CD_I1002282&comparisonTab=h2h

Edited May 21, 2018 by Rusty Nails