10 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Good points and another way of putting that Dr G is that NFL has reached saturation point such that growing the media revenue pie in these days of media diversity is a challenge.

In 5 years time or whenever the AFL rights are renewed who would be surprised if the internet rights (assuming they are unrestricted) are worth as much as the FTA/pay TV rights. In fact that will be where the battle is... ie between the pay TV dinosaurs and the emerging internet streaming behemoths

The government is doing their part in trying to stifle the move to streaming services but they're fighting a losing battle.

13 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The government is doing their part in trying to stifle the move to streaming services but they're fighting a losing battle.

The sooner the MFC can have it’s own TV Station that we as Members subscibe to as part of a Membership the better off we will be. Channel 7 is a dead organization walking ? 

18 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The sooner the MFC can have it’s own TV Station that we as Members subscibe to as part of a Membership the better off we will be. Channel 7 is a dead organization walking ? 

Sounds like you have some experience in the Television industry - sounds like a good idea. You should share it with the club. Im not experienced in this area, but if it was good for the MFC hell I would do my best to support you. 

19 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The sooner the MFC can have it’s own TV Station that we as Members subscibe to as part of a Membership the better off we will be. Channel 7 is a dead organization walking ? 

The sooner clubs start siphoning off media rights to sell individually the sooner we die. I assume this package would include media rights to games? How would our package compare to the rest of the competition? The media rights must be negotiated collectively and must be distributed equitably. The NFL model is the one we should be following, not the EPL.

56 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The sooner clubs start siphoning off media rights to sell individually the sooner we die. I assume this package would include media rights to games? How would our package compare to the rest of the competition? The media rights must be negotiated collectively and must be distributed equitably. The NFL model is the one we should be following, not the EPL.

You are doing a great job dumping this thread, but please dont try to derail SWYL idea. Sounds like he is passionate about the TV industry - sounds like he is passionate about the MFC. Give the him a go. 

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The sooner clubs start siphoning off media rights to sell individually the sooner we die. I assume this package would include media rights to games? How would our package compare to the rest of the competition? The media rights must be negotiated collectively and must be distributed equitably. The NFL model is the one we should be following, not the EPL.

could not agree more Dr G. The EPL is a league for the power clubs with the rest in the role of paid extras.

Not sure but I am getting the feeling that increasingly the Champions League is now where it's at. Out of interest who controls those media rights?

Will be interesting to see if there is any impact from the drop in oil prices given the ownership of some of the larger clubs.

On 11/24/2017 at 11:06 AM, jackaub said:

still believe developing Benleigh is a real option 

should be able to nett about $30 million less current debt if done properly

worth consideration

 

Agreed....however in order to keep the associated poker machines ( and licenses) you have to transfer them to somewhere in the geographical boundaries specified by the Govt ( Gaming authority), or you lose them.

So you need to buy something else close which will generate similar traffic, or the exercise is pointless. 

Bottom line is that you will need $20M+ to do all of this sort of thing, and the proposals in this thread to date about how to make more money are simply chicken feed.

It takes time to build the necessary capital to engage in any serious money making ventures, and that's not the aim of football clubs....it's to win football games.  Occasionally and opportunity arises and if the right people are in charge something can be achieved.

Ian Dicker at Hawthorn, Joseph Gutnick at Melbourne, Paul Little at Essendon, Frank Costa at Geelong and Bruce Matthieson at Carlton, all put in substantial amounts of their own money to create external revenue sources for their respective clubs.  That then creates the genuine continuous cash flow to help the on-field activities. 

 

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The sooner clubs start siphoning off media rights to sell individually the sooner we die. I assume this package would include media rights to games? How would our package compare to the rest of the competition? The media rights must be negotiated collectively and must be distributed equitably. The NFL model is the one we should be following, not the EPL.

Dr G Channel 7 and FTA Television is dying. We need the broadcast rights to be streamed onto computer platforms asap. This is a chance for the MFC to be proactive. The broadcast deal we have now is a disgrace. How can we make any cash out of it?

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Edited November 26, 20177 yr by DV8

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The sooner clubs start siphoning off media rights to sell individually the sooner we die. I assume this package would include media rights to games? How would our package compare to the rest of the competition? The media rights must be negotiated collectively and must be distributed equitably. The NFL model is the one we should be following, not the EPL.

The race to the bottom.

The weaker supported clubs will die off, (killing the competition as we know it) in a free market style media rights.

This is not "monopoly" the game,  It is Aussie Rules footy.

The AFL, has to be run as a Socialist Venture, to survive & be healthy.

 

On 11/21/2017 at 9:24 AM, DaveyDee said:

What would you pay more money for to help the MFC further financially stabilise?

Lets be clear I'm not taking about anything membership or seating related - I'm taking about what would further motivate you to send the MFC some extra dollars on a yearly/weekly basis. 

AFL has made its stance clear, poker machines are on the way out, we have a very heavy reliance on the income from those machines and we need to find alternatives. We cant rely that "Project Fruit" will un-cover a satisfactory result for all clubs. 

So in a nutshell - what would you do to further help stabilise the MFC financially. 

A suburban social base H/Q's with board room, & Training facility.

 

Edited November 26, 20177 yr by DV8

21 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Bottom line is that you will need $20M+ to do all of this sort of thing, and the proposals in this thread to date about how to make more money are simply chicken feed.

IMHO you are spot on. 

21 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Ian Dicker at Hawthorn, Joseph Gutnick at Melbourne, Paul Little at Essendon, Frank Costa at Geelong and Bruce Matthieson at Carlton, all put in substantial amounts of their own money to create external revenue sources for their respective clubs.  That then creates the genuine continuous cash flow to help the on-field activities. 

To attract a business person of this quality and this type of dedication would be outstanding for the MFC.

However, if there is one thing I know about many. many business men & large corporations is they have a very "thin skin" when it comes to criticism of their brands and they seek positive vibrant energetic communities to invest in. You would have to somewhat control all elements of your community - However, these days with the internet I wish you well. 

22 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Agreed....however in order to keep the associated poker machines ( and licenses) you have to transfer them to somewhere in the geographical boundaries specified by the Govt ( Gaming authority), or you lose them.

So you need to buy something else close which will generate similar traffic, or the exercise is pointless. 

Bottom line is that you will need $20M+ to do all of this sort of thing, and the proposals in this thread to date about how to make more money are simply chicken feed.

It takes time to build the necessary capital to engage in any serious money making ventures, and that's not the aim of football clubs....it's to win football games.  Occasionally and opportunity arises and if the right people are in charge something can be achieved.

Ian Dicker at Hawthorn, Joseph Gutnick at Melbourne, Paul Little at Essendon, Frank Costa at Geelong and Bruce Matthieson at Carlton, all put in substantial amounts of their own money to create external revenue sources for their respective clubs.  That then creates the genuine continuous cash flow to help the on-field activities. 

 

I take your point George

I thought the strategy being discussed was geting out of the Pokies business so sell the licenses off

30 million could be rolled again a few cycles and we woultdhavesignificant investments should beable to nett 7 to 8 % in this marketwith low risk

23 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Dr G Channel 7 and FTA Television is dying. We need the broadcast rights to be streamed onto computer platforms asap. This is a chance for the MFC to be proactive. The broadcast deal we have now is a disgrace. How can we make any cash out of it?

I agree with your premise re: FTA TV, although most tv channels are realising streaming is the future and already trying to shift their product to streaming devices such as AppleTV, Chromecast, Roku etc. I just don't understand how we could do better negotiating for a media rights deal on our own. If we were negotiating our own media rights and so were Collingwood who would get more? It would widen the gap between the haves and have nots and probably kill off a third (or more) of clubs. The current media rights are fine, it is the distribution of funds by the AFL and their unfair fixturing that is the issue.

37 minutes ago, jackaub said:

I take your point George

I thought the strategy being discussed was geting out of the Pokies business so sell the licenses off

30 million could be rolled again a few cycles and we woultdhavesignificant investments should beable to nett 7 to 8 % in this marketwith low risk

Lets be brutally honest about things like poker machines, they are designed to take money off elderly people ( time rich entertainment poor )  who think all forms of gambling are the same. Ethically, think the AFL is opposed to that they are a bit smarter than that, they fully understand all forms of gambling are not the same. So they are moving exclusively to remove poker machine revenues. 

That could have a massive impact on the MFC. 

This thread is designed to say - its not a matter of if its a matter of when AFL clubs exit poker machines, we need to find alternatives sources of income. But in the off chance machines do stay heavens we have a win-win we keep our poker machine revenues & we have an alternative source of income. 

Go Dees

..."its not a matter of if its a matter of when AFL clubs exit poker machines, "

Won't happen.  Just transfer the ownership to a Trust with the beneficiary as the MFC. 

Voila! The club doesn't own poker machines any more.

33 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

..."its not a matter of if its a matter of when AFL clubs exit poker machines, "

Won't happen.  Just transfer the ownership to a Trust with the beneficiary as the MFC. 

Voila! The club doesn't own poker machines any more.

Now you are playing ducks and drakes - I dont mind the idea, but I have a funny feeling somebody will see thru your cunning plan - Baldrick. But I'm no expert in this area - so I prefer not to take me on my word. 

46 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

..."its not a matter of if its a matter of when AFL clubs exit poker machines, "

Won't happen.  Just transfer the ownership to a Trust with the beneficiary as the MFC. 

Voila! The club doesn't own poker machines any more.

Added side note - since we are talking business your google adds on Demonland are streaming high paying business adds on my screen - omg looks like I could hit a few and make Demonland some extra dollars. Maybe we have crammed the page with good quality keywords and somebody at MR Google like you. 

6 hours ago, DaveyDee said:

So they are moving exclusively to remove poker machine revenues. 

They’re not doing anything of the sort, no matter how many times you repeat it.

Project Fruit is nothing more than a ‘review’ - there’s not even the vaguest suggestion of a timeline for this to happen.

It's called window-dressing.

Thats why the AFL announced it at the National Press Club, and that’s why Goyder said “none of this happens quickly”, which is another way of saying “none of this is happening at all”.  

Edited November 27, 20177 yr by Grapeviney

17 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

They’re not doing anything of the sort, no matter how many times you repeat it.

Project Fruit is nothing more than a ‘review’ - there’s not even the vaguest suggestion of a timeline for this to happen.

Its called window-dressing, making the right noises.

Thats why the AFL announced it at the National Press Club, and that’s why Goyder said “none of this happens quickly”, which is another way of saying “none of this is happening at all”.  

I hope you are right, the anti-Poker Machine lobby get a fair amount of funding they have an agenda to push. I agree with you we are still in-front at this stage. But balls of crystal are their to be broken, things are a changin. You cant hide the truth forever, you can mask it with bright lights, bells and whistles but eventually people will understand a zero sum games - but then again you might be right some will never learn. 

Re your Goyder comments, again Im with you I understand the "review" process as discussed on another thread. But "none of this happens quickly" could also mean Diamond Jim we cant get rid of them tomorrow but we need time to find alternative sources of income. But I hope you are right - Go Dees

Edited November 27, 20177 yr by DaveyDee

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I agree with your premise re: FTA TV, although most tv channels are realising streaming is the future and already trying to shift their product to streaming devices such as AppleTV, Chromecast, Roku etc. I just don't understand how we could do better negotiating for a media rights deal on our own. If we were negotiating our own media rights and so were Collingwood who would get more? It would widen the gap between the haves and have nots and probably kill off a third (or more) of clubs. The current media rights are fine, it is the distribution of funds by the AFL and their unfair fixturing that is the issue.

I won’t touch the AFL product at the moment. The streaming of their product is appalling and i certainly won’t be giving FOX any hard earned. 

I want to stream MFC games live and have access to replays and game analysis

i want the MFC to produce it

i hope it happens before i die

6 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

They’re not doing anything of the sort, no matter how many times you repeat it.

Project Fruit is nothing more than a ‘review’ - there’s not even the vaguest suggestion of a timeline for this to happen.

It's called window-dressing.

Thats why the AFL announced it at the National Press Club, and that’s why Goyder said “none of this happens quickly”, which is another way of saying “none of this is happening at all”.  

Exactly, just a PR move. The AFL would have no legs to stand on on this one and I doubt they'd want to try.

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I won’t touch the AFL product at the moment. The streaming of their product is appalling and i certainly won’t be giving FOX any hard earned. 

I want to stream MFC games live and have access to replays and game analysis

i want the MFC to produce it

i hope it happens before i die

How much do we stand to gain from this compared to Collingwood?

13 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

How much do we stand to gain from this compared to Collingwood?

Is the system equitable now?

How do any of our Sponsors get good exposure right now with the current deal. 

The fixture kills us of any chance

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Is the system equitable now?

How do any of our Sponsors get good exposure right now with the current deal. 

The fixture kills us of any chance

Siphoning off media rights would he worse. And we still wouldn't get to choose who and when we play so the sponsorship exposure would not improve.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Siphoning off media rights would he worse. And we still wouldn't get to choose who and when we play so the sponsorship exposure would not improve.

Can’t get worse than it is now. 

We have weeks and weeks away from the MCG on Fox Coverage. It’s a graveyard. 

People are not prepared to admit the old way of TV Viewing is dead. 

Siphoning off Media Rights has to be done the right way. 

Engage the viewer 5-7 days a week