He's exciting, but I didn't see any tackling on that clip. 

On 24/10/2017 at 8:10 PM, hillie said:

we have no picks in the rookie draft

Why not?  We have 4 Rookies and can have up to 6. We have the list room for 6if we choose to. 

Yes you can have 6 category A rookies if the main list is 38, the total of the main list and rookies cannot exceed 44.

Thus if Melbourne uses only 3 picks the it can pick a category A rookie.

Edited November 3, 20177 yr by durango

8 hours ago, It's Time said:

Why not?  We have 4 Rookies and can have up to 6. We have the list room for 6if we choose to. 

Wrong, we will use 4 picks in the draft & if any more rookies are picked up they'll have to qualify for Cat B status.

Season	Grade	Games	Kicks	Handballs	Disposals	Marks	Goals	Points	Tackles	Hitouts	Frees For	Frees Ag.
	2017	League	23	255	56	311	108	73	35	39	0	22	18

Table doesn't come up very well and is out by a column but it's 23 games, 255 kicks so about 10 a game, 108 marks so 4 a game, 73 goals which is very impressive but only 39 tackles.

Under 2 tackles a game when surely he would've been told time and time again that to play AFL he has to impart forward pressure isn't a good sign. 

That said, the counterpoint is at over 3 goals a game he was most likely the focal goal scorer so it's harder to tackle when your job for the team is to kick goals. And the WAFL footy is more open anyway, it's not the same style of game as AFL.

Having just turned 21 I think he's too good a goal kicker not to have a go in the AFL system but from the reviews on here and the stats I'd rather use our 4th pick than any of the first 3.

3 hours ago, thevil1 said:

Wrong, we will use 4 picks in the draft & if any more rookies are picked up they'll have to qualify for Cat B status.

There's 36 on the list now including Smith. Plus 4 draft picks makes 40. Plus 4 Rookies makes 44. A list can be up to 47 with a maximum of 6 rookies which means there's still room for 2 more rookies. So stop being your namesake and check your facts before blasting away saying "Wrong" when you don't know what you're talking about. 

For 2013, all clubs (*except Gold Coast and GWS Giants) now operate under the following list sizes.

Primary List Size	Category A Rookies	Category BRookies	Total Rookies (Maximum)	Total
38 (Minimum)	6	3	9	47
39	5	3	8	47
40 (Maximum)	4	3	7	47

* Gold Coast Suns: Primary List 42; Rookie List 9
* GWS Giants: Primary List 44-50; Rookie List 9
 

So that all arguments re-list sizes I have extracted the above from the AFL web site the Suns and Giants now operate under the same rules as all the other AFL teams?

There's 36 on the list now including Smith. Plus 4 draft picks makes 40. Plus 4 Rookies makes 44. Yes we will be able to recruit 3 Category B rookies. If a player has played a sport other than Australian Rules in the last 3 years then they are eligible to be listed on the Category B rookies list like the international converts and basketball players but category B players cannot play unless a player on the main list is placed on the Long Term Injury list. Whereas 1 Category A rookies can be nominated after round 11.

On 03/11/2017 at 10:49 PM, It's Time said:

There's 36 on the list now including Smith. Plus 4 draft picks makes 40. Plus 4 Rookies makes 44. A list can be up to 47 with a maximum of 6 rookies which means there's still room for 2 more rookies. So stop being your namesake and check your facts before blasting away saying "Wrong" when you don't know what you're talking about. 

How did I 'blast' away? 

What you said was wrong.....

On 03/11/2017 at 11:06 AM, It's Time said:

Why not?  We have 4 Rookies and can have up to 6. We have the list room for 6if we choose to. 

15 hours ago, thevil1 said:

How did I 'blast' away? 

What you said was wrong.....

I stand corrected. Didn't realise number of rookies decreased between 38 to 40 on primary list. Unlikely we won't use all 4 draft picks although if there's not anything much around at 47 and there's someone like a ruck who needs to be developed as a rookie or a delisted free agent eg if Spencer doesn't get picked up, we might not use it and go the extra rookie. I get the feeling they had planned to do a deal with some of our picks for an upgrade and didn't make it happen. 

Edited November 5, 20177 yr by It's Time

This gives an insight into a more rounded player than the previous 'hanger' highlight reel.

20 hours ago, Goodvibes said:

This gives an insight into a more rounded player than the previous 'hanger' highlight reel.

Again, not a single tackle in the entire reel.  I'd love to hear from someone who's seen him play whether he puts in defensively. 

9 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Again, not a single tackle in the entire reel.  I'd love to hear from someone who's seen him play whether he puts in defensively. 

To say nothing about whether Ryan tackles or not, it's not entirely uncommon that tackles are left off the highlight reel. Unless you're the PAFC and putting together a propaganda package, in which case some poor intern has to sit through nine years of footage to piece together a minute's worth of cuddles.  

Ok he looks good overhead on the lead which is nice. And his kicking and decision making seems decent.

Better at pack hangers but he actually reminds me more of Luke Breust than of Cyril. More of a goal kicker who can gather possessions up the ground as well than a pressure player.

For general info:  Since the latest CBA, all Category A rookies can be selected to play from round 1 regardless of injuries, promotions etc.  The difference between a Cat A rookie and a senior player is now length of tenure, termination conditions and pay scale. 

It is the reason we reclassified Maynard from a B rookie to an A rookie.

It was a good move by the AFLPA as it gives clubs more flexibility.  For example, if it was in place this year we could have played one or more of the rookies when Lumumba's departure left us an AFL player short.

Edited November 9, 20177 yr by Lucifer's Hero

On 04/11/2017 at 11:33 PM, thevil1 said:

How did I 'blast' away? 

What you said was wrong.....

I didn't realise we don't have a pick after 47. We have 36 on the primary list now including Joel Smith who we have to use pick 47 on to upgrade as it's our last pick. That means we can only draft 3 players which means we will only have a primary list of 39 so we can draft another Rookie. 

It indicates to me that a few things went wrong in draft week otherwise why would have we held out pick 47 from Freo for Balic when we could have given it to them and just used 66 to upgrade Smith which wouldn't have made any difference to us. We must have held out for that deal because we wanted to use 47 in another trade that never happened. I suspect it was going to be the deal West Coast did on the last morning with Gold Coast where they gave up their first rounder next week and this year's pick 50 in return for Gold Coast's picks 21, 26 & 37 and a future second round pick.  We could probably have made that happen if we'd got a pick in the top 25 for Watts but without that, didn't have enough to offer. Mahoney was in the trade room that morning but ended up not doing anything.

Smith will be upgraded with a pick 64 beyond 47 which we still have.  We will be drafting 4 players along with Smith.

6 minutes ago, It's Time said:

I didn't realise we don't have a pick after 47. We have 36 on the primary list now including Joel Smith who we have to use pick 47 on to upgrade as it's our last pick. That means we can only draft 3 players which means we will only have a primary list of 39 so we can draft another Rookie. 

It indicates to me that a few things went wrong in draft week otherwise why would have we held out pick 47 from Freo for Balic when we could have given it to them and just used 66 to upgrade Smith which wouldn't have made any difference to us. We must have held out for that deal because we wanted to use 47 in another trade that never happened. I suspect it was going to be the deal West Coast did on the last morning with Gold Coast where they gave up their first rounder next week and this year's pick 50 in return for Gold Coast's picks 21, 26 & 37 and a future second round pick.  We could probably have made that happen if we'd got a pick in the top 25 for Watts but without that, didn't have enough to offer. Mahoney was in the trade room that morning but ended up not doing anything.

Nope you're wrong. 

Joel Smith is part of the 36 on the senior list. Rookie upgrades just get assigned a late pick and upgraded now, they don't have to go through the draft process. We wouldn't have to use 47 on him anyway, we had a pick in the 80's or 100's available if needed.

We can and should use all 4 picks on Friday night.

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Nope you're wrong. 

Joel Smith is part of the 36 on the senior list. Rookie upgrades just get assigned a late pick and upgraded now, they don't have to go through the draft process. We wouldn't have to use 47 on him anyway, we had a pick in the 80's or 100's available if needed.

We can and should use all 4 picks on Friday night.

I'm not saying he has to go to the draft but we have to assign a draft pick to upgrade him. According to the afl.com.au website which has listed all draft picks for all clubs in this draft our last pick is 47. We have to use our last pick to upgrade. What am I missing. 

Back on to Liam Ryan  - still seeing him mocked to the Eagles in the 20's. I think they'll get him in the 30's. 

I don't think we can risk it for a player with a strong go home factor and doubts over his defensive game. 

I'd love to have him and move the ball in quick to him one on one and see what he can do but too much of modern footy isn't played one on one anyway

1 minute ago, It's Time said:

I'm not saying he has to go to the draft but we have to assign a draft pick to upgrade him. According to the afl.com.au website which has listed all draft picks for all clubs in this draft our last pick is 47. We have to use our last pick to upgrade. What am I missing. 

The AFL website list is after rookie promotions. They've already assigned a pick 80 (for example) to him and done that. 

They changed the rules a year or so ago to stop the charade of reading out promoted rookies on draft night and made that process complete before the draft.

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

Back on to Liam Ryan  - still seeing him mocked to the Eagles in the 20's. I think they'll get him in the 30's. 

I don't think we can risk it for a player with a strong go home factor and doubts over his defensive game. 

I'd love to have him and move the ball in quick to him one on one and see what he can do but too much of modern footy isn't played one on one anyway

From what I've read a very high go home factor and question whether he can hack afl environment. 

Still interested in this issue of our picks. I was very surprised that our last pick was 47. Do you have any other information that we have a later pick. That's not what afl.com.au are indicating. Pretty disappointing if we don't.

31 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The AFL website list is after rookie promotions. They've already assigned a pick 80 (for example) to him and done that. 

They changed the rules a year or so ago to stop the charade of reading out promoted rookies on draft night and made that process complete before the draft.

Yeh you must be right. Apparently an interview has just gone up on the club website with Jason Taylor and he says no rookie picks and will use all 4. I don't know how this new mechanism works for upgrading rookies but obviously that's what happens somehow.

 

On 11/7/2017 at 6:47 PM, RalphiusMaximus said:

Again, not a single tackle in the entire reel.  I'd love to hear from someone who's seen him play whether he puts in defensively. 

Exciting player with great Jurrah-type skills yet too finely built for tackling and forward pressure, I'd say. A fair way off that required level of physical development and if achieved, would possibly reduced his aerial 'lift' and flight opportunities as seen in the current reels. 

32 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Yeh you must be right. Apparently an interview has just gone up on the club website with Jason Taylor and he says no rookie picks and will use all 4. I don't know how this new mechanism works for upgrading rookies but obviously that's what happens somehow.

 

Correct. http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-11-22/taylor-has-list-of-names-ready-to-go

States no rookie picks and will use 4 picks in the draft.

As for Liam Ryan, I'll quote myself from earlier in this thread. He'll go as a late/rookie pick to a WA club. I'd hope the club don't bother with  a 21 year old who has serious attitude and application issues. He would not suit the modern AFL game where defensive pressure and hard running both ways are now a requirement. He'll never make it at AFL level IMO.
 

On 24/10/2017 at 6:20 PM, Lord Travis said:

Saw him play mid year, was match against Peel. He would've had maybe 7-8 touches, kicked a run of the mill set shot goal and doubt if he laid a tackle. Wouldn't have even known who he was if it weren't for the chatter surrounding him as he'd booted a ton of goals to that stage of the season. He was seriously unremarkable that day. Based on that match I saw of him, he'll be a rookie pick at best and likely never make it AFL level. He has seriously poor work ethic. He refused to work up the ground when it wasn't working up forward, he didn't chase or put on any pressure at all when his opponents won the ball, he stood around hands on hips and not bothering to lead if a defender went anywhere near him. He makes Jack Watts look like Nick Reiwoldt on steroids in terms of work rate, effort and hunger. Not surprised to read Pennant St Dee's post saying his club Subiaco had to send someone to pick him up or he wouldn't rock up to training etc. I'll be disappointed, shocked and disgusted if the club drafts him after weeding out players with poor attitude and work ethic over the past few years. He's already 21 too, so as a mature age player you'd hope he had developed that work ethic and desire to make it.