16 hours ago, monoccular said:

One of few, I suspect. What your list is implying is that Oscar is the main cause of our inability to win games against bottom teams, games we are expected to win. 

Grossly unfair. 

Chicken or egg?

1954-64 players, coaches, supporters all expected, in fact knew, that we would win (most of the time)

Into 1965 supporters still expected, but through the middle of that winter (could be a modern Shakespearian 'winter of our discontent') the players and coaches (TGNS and his successor) started to know this wouldn't happen.

So, the team started being negative, became habitual losers, then the supporters realized against their greatest expectations that the team was becoming just that, habitual losers.

So it was not the supporters who changed their mindset - the club and the team changed their mindset. 

And it must be the club, and the team by  relentless unyielding efforts particularly on the field by predictably winning games in which we are favorites, and winning them well with no let up in final quarters or in final moments of quarters  (NM, CFC, CFC, LIONS, STK, GC$ Freo) but also off the field such as demanding better, more equitable promotional  opportunities like prime time games, equitable 6 day breaks, byes after Darwin (as long as that fixture must exist), that in turn will increase supporters' expectations and optimism.

Too many times have we supporters been promised so much, seen some openings developing, only to be cut down by repeated insipid 'performances' (using the word very loosely) to which expressions such as 'drinking their own bath water' or 'getting ahead of themselves' clearly applies.   The playing group lack leadership, leadership that demands ruthlessness.  They seem easily contented by narrowly beating the wooden spooner, when keeping their feet on the throats of the bears would almost certainly ensured us seeing finals action this year a but hey, contracts are not overly performance based, so a dollar for a win is the same as a dollar for a loss, so.....?????

The whole club psyche is shot, and every next time it happens, down it goes further into the abyss.

More than Kelly, or Lever, the club needs a full time sports psychologist to work with the coaches and the players, and the also work with the recruiters.  

The club cannot go on forever being happy with honorable losses against teams below us  

 

I agree wholeheartedly.  I have emailed the club wanting to know where the sports psychologist is??  The players do need to be more demanding of excellence.   Are we too into players who are also "good blokes"?  We need them to have that "ruthless" streak as you say.  With what was on the line on Saturday they needed to come out breathing fire.  I would rather see them making mistakes due to being over-hyped than being timid and nervous like they were.  When Woewodin won the Brownlow it was not because of his elite talent.  He was a player who did everything he could to get the most out of himself.  

4 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I think you may have missed the invite but there's still a place for you.

@Nasher's end of season BBQ bash - talking things only good and positive re: MFC.

In attendance so far, we have @Vogon Poetry,@Wiseblood, @Satyriconhome, @Rhino Richards (who funnily enough seems to only 'like' posts made by these guys lately) and a few others.

Should be a seriously insightful time. A blast. You'll fit right in. 

Thanks for the namecheck, wondered why I have your pic next to my bed, alongside my guns photos

what an odd thread...even by Dland standards.....( there are standards ? )

I thought the OP heading was a little underpitched actually...ONLY 3 problems?

ah well

what can I say

 

7 hours ago, small but forward said:

My three issues are:

1. First Quarter performance across the year. 

Q1 - W11, L11                75.7% (ranked 11)

Q2 - W12, L8, D2           116.8% (ranked 3)

Q3 W13, L9                    121.7% (ranked 4)

Q4 W13, L9                    110.1% (ranked 6)

When we win a first quarter, it's by average 11 pts. When we lose, it's by average 23 pts.

Pre-bye rounds: Our cumulative points differential from rounds 1-10 (points for - points against) was -96 for first quarters. Biggest positive qtr time margin pre-bye was 6 pts (out of 4 wins), biggest deficit 27pts (out of 6 losses).

Post-bye rounds: Our cumulative points differential post bye was -31 for first quarters. Biggest positive margin post bye was 32 pts (Saints), notable 25 pt margins v WB and Port. Nothing else to write home about. Biggest qtr time deficit was  36 pts (GWS), 35 pts (Adel), 32 pts (Coll). Better than pre-bye performance but wildly inconsistent.

Only against St Kilda (R1), GCS (R10) and Carlton (R16) did we turn a deficit at qtr time into a win. 

Agree. Our first quarters are a big problem and, IMO, reflect (at least in part) the cultural/intensity issue we have.

We just do not start games with the required spark or intensity, and against weak clubs that is exactly what they need to keep the door open.

It's so rare for us to dominate a first quarter against a lowly side. Mind you, when we do it's all to common for us to lapse and let them back in.

Our starts in 2018 need to be better, and I suspect that is largely going to come down to cultural change more than anything.

6 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I don't where to post this, but is anyone else current going through a wave of emotions still?

I felt like I had moved on but then suddenly I get this knot in my stomach and dread comes over me again.

Every time I heard the SEN finals sting I want to kill someone.. That namely being the [censored] in the melb office who sent out  that Finals tickets email.

On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 6:49 PM, DaveyDee said:

Pay peanuts get monkeys.

What is your estimate on a yearly basis how much extra profit would this community (Demonland) provide the MFC?

 

Well Dave the best I can do is a guestimate.

This year I paid my membership and purchased a shirt as usual. I also added a new Beanie.

About $ 650.00. Some members would spend more, some less.

Let's say $500.00 on average.

Let's further say that around 2/3 of Demonlanders are members. That's 3000 in round figures.

Do the maths. $500 X 3000 = 1.5 mill.

So I reckon the 1.5 million kicked in by the Demonland whackos entitles us to an opinion.

7 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Well Dave the best I can do is a guestimate.

This year I paid my membership and purchased a shirt as usual. I also added a new Beanie.

About $ 650.00. Some members would spend more, some less.

Let's say $500.00 on average.

Let's further say that around 2/3 of Demonlanders are members. That's 3000 in round figures.

Do the maths. $500 X 3000 = 1.5 mill.

So I reckon the 1.5 million kicked in by the Demonland whackos entitles us to an opinion.

 

18 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Well Dave the best I can do is a guestimate.

This year I paid my membership and purchased a shirt as usual. I also added a new Beanie.

About $ 650.00. Some members would spend more, some less.

Let's say $500.00 on average.

Let's further say that around 2/3 of Demonlanders are members. That's 3000 in round figures.

Do the maths. $500 X 3000 = 1.5 mill.

So I reckon the 1.5 million kicked in by the Demonland whackos entitles us to an opinion.

You get your opinion on here for almost nothing if you choose.

Take it up with PJ and the MFC who give us no recognition of our opinions or $'s on here.

Best you pull your new shirt and Beanie up over your avatar head if you want too be taken seriously though !