Training - Monday 12th December, 2016

[Dr. Gonzo 24,346]

In my experience youre more prone to injury when you're going at less than 100%. Obviously collision injuries still happen but it makes it easier to predict others movements when theyre going flat out

[jnrmac 20,189]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

In my experience youre more prone to injury when you're going at less than 100%. Obviously collision injuries still happen but it makes it easier to predict others movements when theyre going flat out

Except when players have their eyes on the ball and don't see a player coming at them...

[binman 43,912]

16 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

I agree DS, the physicality of the sessions has been a standout, 

Difference this year is Misso's program has worked it's magic over 3 years 

I think that is a good point saty. We can now reap the benefits of the program Misson has put in place, not least being able to get going earlier in the pre season on footy stuff as opposed to having to build base fitness.

The other point is as you suggest our list is getting older and so stronger boys to men. By the by we are also reaping the benefit of players like hunt and omac getting 20 odd games of afl footy.

Add in that it looks like vanders and Jones will get a full preseason (and hopefully Salem and Brayshaw for that matter, though my point is Vanders and Jones are both strong bodied older players), we have some new mid twenty robust players in hibberd and melksham, mckenna is no longer a teenager, Hannan is early 20s (albeit pretty slight at this stage) and two of our rookies are not teenagers and it all augurs well for a team that might finally make Neeld's dream of the hardest team to play against a reality

 

Edited December 13, 2016 by binman

[hemingway 7,633]

On 12/12/2016 at 9:10 PM, Stevienic23 said:

I attended training today to get out of my un air-conditioned house. I pretty much just sat in the shade so I'm only going from what I saw from a far.

Rehab group: Filipovic,King,TMac,Pedo,Wagner & Hannan

Brayshaw came off the ground with troubles to his foot. Got assessed by the docs and they put him through a series of run throughs and exercises. Nev also came off early but wasn't attended to as did Frost who had a bit of work done on his lower back.

There was some form of VIP group that got invited down to training, a lot of oldies including the great Ron Barassi. Robbo & Daisy Pearce were also there. Matt Egan addressed this group for a few minutes and as luck would have it I happen to be within earshot of most of this. He gave a brief description of what we were meant to be seeing in each drill (at that moment). There was one drill where there were 2 lots of defenders & attackers and the defenders were to block leads and the attackers were to block the defenders from blocking leads. Looked like a bit of merry-go-round until it was explained by Egan. Another drill was stoppage work from the mids and the other drill was leading & contesting marking up forward with an emphasis on repeat efforts & Hogan's name was dropped. Egan said whilst they are happy with Hogan's contested marking they'd like him to have repeat efforts and impact more contests.

Egan was asked about the music at training. For those who haven't been to training, they have music blasting out from the punt rd end. The reason behind this is to overcome noise & in game day situations there are points where you cant hear the person that's yelling at you so you have to use signals.

Egan also made mention of Goodwins coaching style at training where he likes short,sharp,intense drills. If you've been you'll notice that drills go for about 5 mins and then they huddle in the middle very quickly & break out again. He likes to change it up and not leave room for rest and see how the group deals with fatigue.

One thing that was noticeable in todays session was the emphasis of using your opposite foot in the drills. Frost, Petracca were prob the worst. Suprisingly Weiderman pretty handy on the op.

There was a 3/4 ground drill where the emphasis was on quick ball movement, playing on or 'rolling' as the players would call it. Oliver had good hands, Hibberd, Lewis & Watts field kicking were sublime & Spencer held his own against Gawn.

I was a little disappointed when a wayward kick got kicked to Viney and as he lead to it he was quickly approaching the fence. I was the only one to yell out 'fence' and by then it was too late and he cannoned into it. Luckily he is built like a wombat and got straight back up but it could have been far worse.||

Max Gawn made note of the lack of talk and gave a spray from the sidelines.

As I left they were doing some form of 3/4 ground run throughs around the boundary. Up & back twice. As they finished and naturally put their hands behind their heads, Gawn & Lewis ripped into em and said words to the affect 'don't show signs of fatigue. The comp wont know what's gonna hit em'.

Wagner, TMac & Pedo did a lot of lap running.

Leadership group locks at this stage look like: Jones,Gawn,Viney,Lewis

Contrary to recent reports, Oliver was in the main session today looking like he has knocked off the puppy fat. Petracca looked like he was on limited minutes.

Feel free to ask questions, however I normally drink at this time of the night

Bloody fantastic mate, the observation skills of a bird watcher, the analytical skills of a boffin, and the enthusiasm of a child.

Wonderful to read reports that are so detailed and without the smart arse comments and one-upmanship of past seasons. 

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

17 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Difference this year is Misso's program has worked it's magic over 3 years and we have men clashing with men, as somebody has already said you do can do an ACL turning too quickly, think they just want to train as they will play

11 players are still on the list from our 2013 squad. 

Eleven. That is less than a third of a primary squad list which doesn't include rookies.

Only 7 of those 11 players are best 22 right now.

David Misson and Jade Rawlings are the only two coaches that still hold their positions today.

We employed an entirely new recruiting team that year as well as a president and CEO by year's end/beginning of 2014.

 

But the difference this year is that Misso's program has worked it's magic over 3 years....

 

I find that very hard to believe.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[Deespicable 2,886]

Misso could be worth a topic on his own.

I have been a little critical of Misso's methods in the past - he seemed to be concentrating too much on 400m/60sec reps, rather than speed work and most of us have noted that we lacked pace. The bigger question though was whether we did when he arrived and whether he inherited a slow list that was too late to mend.

My view in the past was that we needed a specialist sprints coach on top of Misso to help young guys like Trenners and Salem and Petracca and Tyson and Brayshaw and before that Toump and Michie. But based on what I saw at training on Monday, and also two other sessions this year, Misso seems to have corrected this a bit this year.

Training was broken up with a switch to Misso and he did leg-speed drills with them - emphasising the first leg push off with short steps - has Misso been to see Matt Shirvington? Most of the reps they did later were about 50m in length - a clear speed emphasis.

The rehab group has been doing a lot more 100m type progression sprints - with their efforts often being timed.

It seems we are going down the path of getting them fit, then working on their speed and at the same time making sure all the footy fundamentals are being covered by Goody and his team.

So far no one (that I know) has broken down with a hammy tear - but we are in peak summer and that's more likely to happen at start of season or in May when it gets cold.

But for those of you who have also been at training this season, have you noticed the speed emphasis that I have witnessed? And if so, do you agree that Misso has altered his modus operandi this season?

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

4 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

11 players are still on the list from our 2013 squad. 

Eleven. That is less than a third of a primary squad list which doesn't include rookies.

Only 7 of those 11 players are best 22 right now.

David Misson and Jade Rawlings are the only two coaches that still hold their positions today.

We employed an entirely new recruiting team that year as well as a president and CEO by year's end/beginning of 2014.

 

But the difference this year is that Misso's program has worked it's magic over 3 years....

 

What planet are you living on?

Nice list analysis Steve but you've completely missed the point.  Saty was commenting on the increased physicality of training this year to previous and suggesting that Misso now had a more mature list which had benefited from 3 years of PS training.  I have seen one training session this PS and also noticed this increase in physicality.

 

Edited December 14, 2016 by Grapeviney
Unnecessary comments removed

[binman 43,912]

37 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

11 players are still on the list from our 2013 squad. 

Eleven. That is less than a third of a primary squad list which doesn't include rookies.

Only 7 of those 11 players are best 22 right now.

David Misson and Jade Rawlings are the only two coaches that still hold their positions today.

We employed an entirely new recruiting team that year as well as a president and CEO by year's end/beginning of 2014.

 

But the difference this year is that Misso's program has worked it's magic over 3 years....

 

What planet are you living on?

 

 

 

 

Jeez that's a strong reaction.

Saying he Misson has worked his magic over 3 years does not mean only on the players at the club 3 years ago. Every player in those 3 years has reapped the benfit of Missos program. How many are still on the list from two years ago? I don't know but i'd reckon half and probably 80% from one year ago. All of these players will have derived great benefit from Missons fitness program and in turn the club has derived great benefit.

Saty didn't say the only reason where we are tat is because of Misson but there's no doubt he has played a big role.

The fact that he and Mahoney are the only two coaches who have kept their positions should give you an idea of the esteem he is held in at the MFC.

 

Edited December 13, 2016 by binman

[hemingway 7,633]

On 12 December 2016 at 9:10 PM, Stevienic23 said:

I attended training today to get out of my un air-conditioned house. I pretty much just sat in the shade so I'm only going from what I saw from a far.

Rehab group: Filipovic,King,TMac,Pedo,Wagner & Hannan

Brayshaw came off the ground with troubles to his foot. Got assessed by the docs and they put him through a series of run throughs and exercises. Nev also came off early but wasn't attended to as did Frost who had a bit of work done on his lower back.

There was some form of VIP group that got invited down to training, a lot of oldies including the great Ron Barassi. Robbo & Daisy Pearce were also there. Matt Egan addressed this group for a few minutes and as luck would have it I happen to be within earshot of most of this. He gave a brief description of what we were meant to be seeing in each drill (at that moment). There was one drill where there were 2 lots of defenders & attackers and the defenders were to block leads and the attackers were to block the defenders from blocking leads. Looked like a bit of merry-go-round until it was explained by Egan. Another drill was stoppage work from the mids and the other drill was leading & contesting marking up forward with an emphasis on repeat efforts & Hogan's name was dropped. Egan said whilst they are happy with Hogan's contested marking they'd like him to have repeat efforts and impact more contests.

Egan was asked about the music at training. For those who haven't been to training, they have music blasting out from the punt rd end. The reason behind this is to overcome noise & in game day situations there are points where you cant hear the person that's yelling at you so you have to use signals.

Egan also made mention of Goodwins coaching style at training where he likes short,sharp,intense drills. If you've been you'll notice that drills go for about 5 mins and then they huddle in the middle very quickly & break out again. He likes to change it up and not leave room for rest and see how the group deals with fatigue.

One thing that was noticeable in todays session was the emphasis of using your opposite foot in the drills. Frost, Petracca were prob the worst. Suprisingly Weiderman pretty handy on the op.

There was a 3/4 ground drill where the emphasis was on quick ball movement, playing on or 'rolling' as the players would call it. Oliver had good hands, Hibberd, Lewis & Watts field kicking were sublime & Spencer held his own against Gawn.

I was a little disappointed when a wayward kick got kicked to Viney and as he lead to it he was quickly approaching the fence. I was the only one to yell out 'fence' and by then it was too late and he cannoned into it. Luckily he is built like a wombat and got straight back up but it could have been far worse.||

Max Gawn made note of the lack of talk and gave a spray from the sidelines.

As I left they were doing some form of 3/4 ground run throughs around the boundary. Up & back twice. As they finished and naturally put their hands behind their heads, Gawn & Lewis ripped into em and said words to the affect 'don't show signs of fatigue. The comp wont know what's gonna hit em'.

Wagner, TMac & Pedo did a lot of lap running.

Leadership group locks at this stage look like: Jones,Gawn,Viney,Lewis

Contrary to recent reports, Oliver was in the main session today looking like he has knocked off the puppy fat. Petracca looked like he was on limited minutes.

Feel free to ask questions, however I normally drink at this time of the night

Always believed that you play or compete as you train. So love to hear that Goodwins emphasis seems to be on quality over quantity.  Sessions that are designed to mirror match conditions.  Also that we seem to be working hard on three deficiencies- handball under pressure, non preferred kicking, and speed.                                      

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

4 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Nice list analysis Steve but you've completely missed the point.  Saty was commenting on the increased physicality of training this year to previous and suggesting that Misso now had a more mature list which had benefited from 3 years of PS training.  I have seen one training session this PS and also noticed this increase in physicality.

 

No, I don't think I have.

He has been banging on about what Misson and Neeld said when the bloke arrived at the club which was something along the lines of, "give me three pre-seasons and I'll have them up to scratch". And every year since, Satyricon has made mention of it.

My point is that what we're seeing today simply cannot be the result of what Misson stated back in 2013 because only eleven players remain on the list from that time. It is nonsensical.

The change in training on every level can be attributed to so many things. It is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

[McQueen 17,867]

As a new training thread begins, I think the previous one should be closed.