1 hour ago, P-man said:

The sounds coming out of the club this week suggest it was an intense review, as it should have been.

I don't ascribe to the theory that external pressure has no influence. I believe it does, and broader recognition of what is and isn't acceptable contributes towards getting to where we want to get to as a club. Part of that is saying last Sunday was well below expectation.

The acceptance of Melbourne as a perennial failure and disappointment has gone on for too long. I'm thankful we have a voice or two in the media who still care enough to set a higher expectation.

A couple of ill-considered remarks about development doesn't take away from what I interpeted as the main message: not good enough. It's a simple message but also an important one. Never moreso than right now when we are just starting to regain some respect.

 

Yep, fair enough, mate.

The decade of embarrassment continues 

On 19/07/2016 at 8:29 AM, america de cali said:

The OX shuns the apologist road.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-season-2016-david-schwarz-questions-melbourne-development-20160717-gq7sng.html

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/32084878/schwarz-slams-demons-development/#page1

Hope Ox gives us the biggest rap of all time tomorrow! 

The boys deserve it after the bake (warranted or not) that he gave them a few weeks ago.

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Hope Ox gives us the biggest rap of all time tomorrow! 

The boys deserve it after the bake (warranted or not) that he gave them a few weeks ago.

What? You are actually expecting him to say he was wrong?

6 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

What? You are actually expecting him to say he was wrong?

No, I don't.  And I was not saying he should.  No need to read something negative into people's posts.

Am saying that he should give the warranted praise and recognition. Ox is a passionate Dee who wears his heart on his sleeve.  He goes OTT sometimes but he is also fair.

 

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

No, I don't.  And I was not saying he should.  No need to read something negative into people's posts.

Am saying that he should give the warranted praise and recognition. Ox is a passionate Dee who wears his heart on his sleeve.  He goes OTT sometimes but he is also fair.

 

I wasn't being negative. as a footy player I respect the Ox, as a footy 'commentator' I think he is a headline chaser, he goes OTT all the time in my opinion, like most of the others

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Hope Ox gives us the biggest rap of all time tomorrow! 

The boys deserve it after the bake (warranted or not) that he gave them a few weeks ago.

He will

43 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

What? You are actually expecting him to say he was wrong?

He wasn't wrong at the time

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He wasn't wrong at the time

Yes he was, there hasn't been a miraculous change, the development was there all the time, it is just the inconsistency we need to fix

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

Yes he was, there hasn't been a miraculous change, the development was there all the time, it is just the inconsistency we need to fix

And The Ox having played the Game at The Highest Level for over 10 years makes him Wrong & you Right does it Satyr?

21 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

And The Ox having played the Game at The Highest Level for over 10 years makes him Wrong & you Right does it Satyr?

We have been down this path before, as a footy player I have the greatest respect for the Ox and how he played, he pisses me off as a 'commentator', like a lot of the others

Just now, Satyriconhome said:

We have been down this path before, as a footy player I have the greatest respect for the Ox and how he played, he pisses me off as a 'commentator', like a lot of the others

Answer the question..

"Has The Ox got a 10 year + career at the highest level on which to base his opinions"???

YES or NO Satyr.....?

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Answer the question..

"Has The Ox got a 10 year + career at the highest level on which to base his opinions"???

YES or NO Satyr.....?

so did jacko and crackers.......what is your point........(and don't shout, i'm still recovering)

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Answer the question..

"Has The Ox got a 10 year + career at the highest level on which to base his opinions"???

YES or NO Satyr.....?

Entirely irrelevant. 

He was shooting off his mouth at the time and was completely wrong. His career v Saty's is absolutely irrelevant.

I'm not sure why anyone really cares what he says. He obviously gets quoted on what he says in the heat of the moment. On reflection he probably regrets what he says, who knows? He's definitely a passionate demon who wears his heart on his sleeve & for me there is nothing wrong with that. He loves the club & wants it to be successful, I'd much rather someone like the Ox in the media having a voice than a pompous [censored] like Jeff Kennett at Hawthorn.

Edited August 7, 20169 yr by Bonkers

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Answer the question..

"Has The Ox got a 10 year + career at the highest level on which to base his opinions"???

YES or NO Satyr.....?

All right have you got 10 or 20 years of experience as a CEO of a medium sized business, if not then does that mean you can't comment on Schwab?

The Ox chases headlines....my opinion

25 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Entirely irrelevant. 

He was shooting off his mouth at the time and was completely wrong. His career v Saty's is absolutely irrelevant.

I would back the Ox's word

29 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

so did jacko and crackers.......what is your point........(and don't shout, i'm still recovering)

My point is that The Ox is a one club champ of the MFC who has a right to say what he said. 

On the day the players deseved it

The effort was not there

22 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

All right have you got 10 or 20 years of experience as a CEO of a medium sized business, if not then does that mean you can't comment on Schwab?

The Ox chases headlines....my opinion

Still didn't get my Yes or No Satyr

1 minute ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Still didn't get my Yes or No Satyr

He played, he now works in the media and answers to the ratings of his radio station, could you now answer mine.

I served in the Defence Force but my opinion for or against bombing innocent civilians carries the same amount of weight as the Ox

9 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I would back the Ox's word

Except that he was wrong, wasn't he.

8 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Except that he was wrong, wasn't he.

Not at the time he wasn't

the club and players deserved a bake and got it

Is there any way the moderators can set up the forum so Saty and WYL never have to ability to see or respond to each other's posts?

20 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

Is there any way the moderators can set up the forum so Saty and WYL never have to ability to see or respond to each other's posts?

Spoilsport.....as if you can talk about pointless arguments....I remember when

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Spoilsport.....as if you can talk about pointless arguments....I remember when

I never used Ro argue with "Irememberwhen" ?