2 hours ago, praha said:

Tough month. North, Pies, Tigers, Bulldogs. We need to be 3-3 after 6 rounds.

It's North, Pies, Tigers, Saints.

I like our chances in the first three games better than the fourth one.

Who cares what the coach does? 

 

Honestly the "outcoaching", if it happened, was at the selection table not on game day.

The game day problem was all players. They didn't work hard. They didn't chase and man up. They didn't position and spoil well in defence. They didn't lead at the ball carrier and they didn't kick to advantage. 

We did these things in the last quarter last week but not this week. Is that coaching?  Is there a message not to chase or lead sometimes? I doubt it. 

Until the players turn up and put in 100% it doesn't matter who is coaching or how they are doing it. It is systematic at our club and i have no idea how to break it other than time. I thought 2 years of Roos would break it but I was wrong. I just hope that behind the scenes we have made genuine progress to breaking it and yesterday was a relapse that will quickly be corrected. Otherwise there is little hope for the club. 

48 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I think there is a huge case at the MFC of believing their own hype, Brayshaw is the one i feel sorry for, i think we overcooked him last year and we bought him in clearly underdone this week. 

Jesse Hogan to be is someone who knows how talented he is but his work rate isn't anywhere near where it should be, which i think it was last year.

Tom Mcdonald had another shocker, beaten totally but couldn't do anything on offense either.

Max Gawn wins a lot of hit outs but so few to any real advantage, that's what he needs to start doing before he'll reach the heights of Goldstein and Mumford

And he needs to impose himself more around the ground. He was playing on a reject yesterday.

7 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

I agree. It was evident last year that Roos wasn't much of a match day coach. Very good in other areas, just not much of a match day coach. Get Goodwin in the box and leave him there IMO.

The sooner Roos leaves the better.

after 2 years im still not sure what the game style is. The whole competition is adopting the clarkson style and Roos is stuck in 2005.

His game plan requires 100% commitment and application every week and is exhausting to maintain. If the players are ever so slightly off then we lose.

we need to change the game style immediately and Roos is not the person to do it.

lets hope Goodwin has got something new and fresh 

3 hours ago, deanox said:

Who cares what the coach does? 

 

Honestly the "outcoaching", if it happened, was at the selection table not on game day.

The game day problem was all players. They didn't work hard. They didn't chase and man up. They didn't position and spoil well in defence. They didn't lead at the ball carrier and they didn't kick to advantage. 

We did these things in the last quarter last week but not this week. Is that coaching?  Is there a message not to chase or lead sometimes? I doubt it. 

Until the players turn up and put in 100% it doesn't matter who is coaching or how they are doing it. It is systematic at our club and i have no idea how to break it other than time. I thought 2 years of Roos would break it but I was wrong. I just hope that behind the scenes we have made genuine progress to breaking it and yesterday was a relapse that will quickly be corrected. Otherwise there is little hope for the club. 

Are you serious??

Roos had the opportunity to change the team dynamics by a number of means but did absolutely SFA.

Sure the players lacked effort but purely from a coaching, tactical and obviously motivational perspective Roos offered nowhere near enough to match his apparently well credentialed capabilities let alone his bloody salary.

I think Roos went into that game with the biggest head of all, thinking the 4 points were in the bag.

We're not a Hawthorn or Geelong yet where the players can play each and every game at the same level of intensity, no matter the circumstances.

The whole coaching panel failed miserably yesterday.

7 hours ago, WhyAlwaysMe said:

where are we going with Roos as coach, unless he can take us deep into the season as a finals chance we stand to gain nothing, it would make more sense to win 7 under Goodwin than 9 with Roos

This might have been said but I feel this is too simplistic a view. It's a coaching team more than head coach and assistants, it seems. Could be wrong but these guys appear to be playing the long game. It's gonna have hurdles and I'm hoping that yesterday was us crashing into a hurdle and smashing our collective face on the tarmac, but still able to get up and keep going.

 

Edit: contradiction correction

4 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Goodwin should take over effective immediately.

Theres no time to waste anymore,  the players clearly prefer playing for him and he is going to be their coach long term,.  Theres literally no point having Roos as coach.   Whats the reasoning?  Not changing the plan., meaning  the club is inflexible?  Thats not a good thing.

Watch the Blues playing under Bolton they are re-energized.  Have no doubt we would be 2-0 if Goodwin was coach and we would have beaten GWS by 30-40.

Who has told you that the players prefer playing for goodwin over roos? yeah we won three NAB cup games with Goodwin in the box. I'm pretty sure there were a few teams in the NAB cup that gave the reigns to their assistant coaches and won games. When you listen to the coaches talk... you hear them talk about the 'coaching group' and 'we' want them to play this way etc. Goodwin matthews and Rawlings would all be on the same page when it comes to the game plan. I think Roos 100% should coach until the end of the season before handing the reigns over to Goodwin. 

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Are you serious??

Roos had the opportunity to change the team dynamics by a number of means but did absolutely SFA.

Sure the players lacked effort but purely from a coaching, tactical and obviously motivational perspective Roos offered nowhere near enough to match his apparently well credentialed capabilities let alone his bloody salary.

I think Roos went into that game with the biggest head of all, thinking the 4 points were in the bag.

We're not a Hawthorn or Geelong yet where the players can play each and every game at the same level of intensity, no matter the circumstances.

The whole coaching panel failed miserably yesterday.

Yeah I am serious. The coaches job is motivating the players but that is sobe during the week. What could he gave done on Saturday that really changed anything? It would have been deck chairs on the titanic. Yeah a couple of changes may have helped but if the players don't lead he can't fix that.  He can't make them man up the loose man. He can't kick to advantage for them.  He can't show it down and keep control instead of bombing long to a contest. And if 22 professional AFL players can't do those basics right it doesn't matter what a coach could change. 

A good coach could have addressed the rot that was evident from about the 2nd minute of the first quarter. I don't care what people say, but they needed an honest bake at the 1/4 time huddle and to come out breathing fire in the 2nd quarter. It never happened = Senior Coach massive fail.

Some supports would dream of have a premiership coach like Roos at there club and you want to get rid of him after the first bad game of the season. 

Would you want to get rid of Ross Lyan too??

33 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said:

Some supports would dream of have a premiership coach like Roos at there club and you want to get rid of him after the first bad game of the season.

Not "get rid of". He is very important for stability and calm. I hope he stays around after this season as a "wise old bugger" director of coaching.

But from what we've seen of Goodwin, his game day plan is better than Roos'.

33 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said:

Would you want to get rid of Ross Lyan too??

Funnily enough, Lyon is starting to look like he's wrung every last bit of football out of his ageing list and they look in danger of plummeting into the Marianas Trench. Unless they change something.