11 minutes ago, stuie said:

Still waiting on ANY kind of proof of that, you know, seeing you're using it as the crux of your argument.

 

Why bring that up? You are without any doubt a clown. I have stated all along Watts is an elite user of the footy and has a great understanding of the game but that counts for little when your calling for the ball from the carpark.

10 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

With Melksham, Bugg, Kennedy, Frost, Petracca and Oliver coming in whilst only really losing Cross and Howe- I'd say Jack is going to find it tougher than he ever has to get games in 2016.

Plus Trengove too

It's a pointless argument.  There are some, like me, who think Watts is as useful as [censored] on a bull and others who won't hear a bad word about their little darling. 

All will be revealed in 2016.

Binman will be taking a vacation. 

Edited December 22, 20159 yr by ProDee

In 2016 the whole team will be markedly different in both composition and attack on the ball. I expect a massive improvement, much more consistency and for Watts to be an integral part of the side.

Just now, CBDees said:

In 2016 the whole team will be markedly different in both composition and attack on the ball. I expect a massive improvement, much more consistency and for Watts to be an integral part of the side.

Watts attack on the ball has been the same since his junior days. Doubt it will change all of a sudden.

He is just an incrediblely soft player who just refuses to win the ball when it counts. 

While i don't expect to be in and under packs there has been so when times he has 2nd guessed himself whether to hard or not.. When its your turn to go you go. 

Dustin Martin cleared by police.

Its going to be a long night....

42 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

With Melksham, Bugg, Kennedy, Frost, Petracca and Oliver coming in whilst only really losing Cross and Howe- I'd say Jack is going to find it tougher than he ever has to get games in 2016.

How are Terlich and Matt Jones chances looking then?

10 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Watts attack on the ball has been the same since his junior days. Doubt it will change all of a sudden.

He is just an incrediblely soft player who just refuses to win the ball when it counts. 

While i don't expect to be in and under packs there has been so when times he has 2nd guessed himself whether to hard or not.. When its your turn to go you go. 

Maybe I shouldn't have used the expression "attack on the ball" (relating to the team) when we all know that Watts skill set is use of the ball and disposal to advantage. He is not the hardest man on our team but with recent recruitment he doesn't need to be the hardest as we are shaping up pretty well in that area with Vanders, Petracca, Brayshaw, Viney, Bugg etc etc. Watts value is in his goal assists and disposal which is one of the best in our team along with Salem. Having him part of the team improves it and it will be just one component of an overall marked improvement in the way the MFC competes in 2016 and beyond.

41 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Why bring that up? You are without any doubt a clown. I have stated all along Watts is an elite user of the footy and has a great understanding of the game but that counts for little when your calling for the ball from the carpark.

Sooooooo that would be a "no" on you having proof then? Just so we're clear on the actual point and not trying to move the goal posts again.

So where is that proof he was going to be traded to Carlton? You've mentioned it numerous times now...

 

5 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Dustin Martin cleared by police.

Its going to be a long night....

Because the victim refused to make a formal statement. Wonder how that came about.

23 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Dustin Martin cleared by police.

Its going to be a long night....

didn't hear anything about being cleared

just that didn't proceed because "victim" didn't want to make a police statement

13 minutes ago, stuie said:

Sooooooo that would be a "no" on you having proof then? Just so we're clear on the actual point and not trying to move the goal posts again.

So where is that proof he was going to be traded to Carlton? You've mentioned it numerous times now...

 

The proof Stu was all the media stories at the time saying Malthouse had been in contact with him, Carlton had made an offer and that Watts was waiting to see if the rumour of Roos coaching us was true. It was at this stage that some still believed that under a recognised coach he would fulfil his talent, only problem being there was never a question mark over his disposal or decision making. I think in part Roos dropping Watts for the last game was message for him that if he couldn't be traded that he needed to use this pre season to get over what ever is stopping him from competing or face more of the same in 2016.

For the record the only part of the newspaper I read us the sport and at times they are on the money.  

9 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

didn't hear anything about being cleared

just that didn't proceed because "victim" didn't want to make a police statement

To clarify DC I just read the SEN headline on FB which stated "Police clear Dustin Martin", I didn't bother reading the article. I've already wasted enough time today arguing with Stu....again.

3 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

The proof Stu was all the media stories.....

Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there pal.

 

2 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there pal.

 

Believe what you will.

Just now, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Believe what you will.

Which is obviously what you do.

I prefer facts rather than rumour though.

 

1 hour ago, Carlos Danger said:

With Melksham, Bugg, Kennedy, Frost, Petracca and Oliver coming in whilst only really losing Cross and Howe- I'd say Jack is going to find it tougher than he ever has to get games in 2016.

Trengove too!

Also, the following players had limited games due to injury and/or inexperience

Kent - 4
Peddo - 7
Harmes - 8
ANB - 11
Stretch - 11
Salem - 10
Dawes - 14
Vandenburg - 14
Gawn - 14
Tyson- 15
Viney - 16
Jetta - 16

You'd expect a lot more games from that group in '16

2 hours ago, Carlos Danger said:

With Melksham, Bugg, Kennedy, Frost, Petracca and Oliver coming in whilst only really losing Cross and Howe- I'd say Jack is going to find it tougher than he ever has to get games in 2016.

Kennedy is tiny, has poor skills and terrible composure, I doubt he'll be keeping Watts out of the team, he'll more likely be in competition with Matt Jones and Terlich. Hopefully the others make it tough for him though.

Edited December 22, 20159 yr by TheoX

37 minutes ago, stuie said:

Which is obviously what you do.

I prefer facts rather than rumour though.

 

When you go outside Stu don't look up. They have satellites which have facial recognition software.

34 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

When you go outside Stu don't look up. They have satellites which have facial recognition software.

O......k..............

 

2 hours ago, Carlos Danger said:

With Melksham, Bugg, Kennedy, Frost, Petracca and Oliver coming in whilst only really losing Cross and Howe- I'd say Jack is going to find it tougher than he ever has to get games in 2016.

Yeahhhhhhhh none of those players play a remotely similar role to that being asked of Watts.... Bit like saying Gawn's spot is in danger because Lumumba's ankles will be right next year

11 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yeahhhhhhhh none of those players play a remotely similar role to that being asked of Watts.... Bit like saying Gawn's spot is in danger because Lumumba's ankles will be right next year

Yeeeeeeah Watts doesn't really have a set position so any player that forces his way in to the 22 is somebody who can move around the whiteboard and force Watts out

and Yeeeeeeeeeeah Gawn is an awful example becuase there could not be a more different player than Watts in terms of ownership of a spot, except perhaps Hogan

but Yeeeeeeeeeah mate

1 minute ago, Curry & Beer said:

Yeeeeeeah Watts doesn't really have a set position so any player that forces his way in to the 22 is somebody who can move around the whiteboard and force Watts out

and Yeeeeeeeeeeah Gawn is an awful example becuase there could not be a more different player than Watts in terms of ownership of a spot, except perhaps Hogan

but Yeeeeeeeeeah mate

Yeahhhhhhhh I thought you had me blocked? You've made a point of mentioning it time after time.

But yeahhhhhhhh feel free to let Roosy know roles and structures don't matter anymore, anyone can play anywhere, cos you know, he hardly ever talks about roles..... Yeahhhhhh

 

18 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yeahhhhhhhh none of those players play a remotely similar role to that being asked of Watts.... Bit like saying Gawn's spot is in danger because Lumumba's ankles will be right next year