Grimes isn't best 22, but Salem would take his spot anyway. Next year, Kent will take Howe's. Not sure Trengove is best 22. He'd have to prove himself at VFL level first. With a few more Roos/Taylor/Viney specials this off season and we'll start to see some depth in some of these positions emerge.

Not sure that Trengove "has to prove himself at VFL level first"! Surely, if he gets in a full pre-season and 'proves himself in the NAB Challenge and practice matches, he plays from Round 1!

Grimes isn't best 22, but Salem would take his spot anyway. Next year, Kent will take Howe's. Not sure Trengove is best 22. He'd have to prove himself at VFL level first. With a few more Roos/Taylor/Viney specials this off season and we'll start to see some depth in some of these positions emerge.

Grimes was one of the best afield in his last game which was vs the saints. The existence of Salem has little to do with it. He is in contention for the 22 and clearly so is Trengove WHEN, not if, he returns.

At the moment Grimes is best 22 IMO. He's played some good games this year and will continue to improve in the back half of the season. He also adds leadership to a team that lacks leaders. Salem is very young and I think will push onto the midfield next year or in 2017.

At the moment Grimes is best 22 IMO. He's played some good games this year and will continue to improve in the back half of the season. He also adds leadership to a team that lacks leaders. Salem is very young and I think will push onto the midfield next year or in 2017.

The thing about Grimes which I haven't seen mentioned here is that his kicking has improved enormously this year IMO and something he deserves credit for.

The thing about Grimes which I haven't seen mentioned here is that his kicking has improved enormously this year IMO and something he deserves credit for.

Needs a few more games to be proven though. I'm all for him getting them off the back of what I've seen but I'm not yet convinced he's really hitting his straps again

So how many hoodoos can we bury with a win here?

Beat the Eagles

Win 2 in a row

Get out of the bottom 4

Beat a top 4 team

None, we won't win.

None, we won't win.

Not with that attitude!

None, we won't win.

Everyone said the same thing before the Geelong game. Everyone.

I'd like to see JKH come in, replacing bail.

The thing about Grimes which I haven't seen mentioned here is that his kicking has improved enormously this year IMO and something he deserves credit for.

Agreed.

The other thing he's improved is his willingness to take the game on - last year he resorted too frequently to backwards and sideways kicks and handpasses. This year he's grabbed the ball and run forwards off half-back a lot more. Really impressed with that aspect of his game too.