Dawes is over rated by Dees supporters.

The guy was an average player in a premiership team at the pies.

Now he is the same average player in a poor team

Don't expect more

Agree

Dawes is over rated by Dees supporters.

The guy was an average player in a premiership team at the pies.

Now he is the same average player in a poor team

Don't expect more

...not this one.

What you see with Dawes is what you get, he's a battler who works hard but a limited footballer.

Excellent! Vince is lucky I believe he new what he was doing.

"you believe"! One of the really great posts, right there!

Frosty M Demon...

Dawes is over rated by Dees supporters.

The guy was an average player in a premiership team at the pies.

Now he is the same average player in a poor team

Don't expect more

He works hard, but gees its frustrating seeing not able to hold onto a mark.

...not this one.

What you see with Dawes is what you get, he's a battler who works hard but a limited footballer.

It would help if we managed to give our forwards a go at it.

He came to the club when it was [censored], took on a leadership role, set an example on the field with his defensive pressure and set the standards on the track.

I think you're all a bit harsh on him.

Dawes is a role player. A very capable one.

But, again, 31 Inside 50s and we are criticising the forwards for not kicking enough goals?

That number is so low, and has been so low, that one can struggle to fathom how Hogan gets his two goals a game of late...

He works hard, but gees its frustrating seeing not able to hold onto a mark.

I played footy 25 years ago, but I reckon I could still sit on Dawes and punch the ball away from him because I know he'll get [censored] delivery.

It would help if we managed to give our forwards a go at it.

He came to the club when it was [censored], took on a leadership role, set an example on the field with his defensive pressure and set the standards on the track.

I think you're all a bit harsh on him.

You don't think he is a limited footballer?

You don't think he is a limited footballer?

Loaded question.

Every footballer has limitations - doesn't mean they're no good for their club.

Re Jamar and Spencil

I suspect Roos wanted Spencil to have a game before we meet the Hawks as Spence I reckon matches up well against McEvoy.

Just sayin...

I played footy 25 years ago, but I reckon I could still sit on Dawes and punch the ball away from him because I know he'll get [censored] delivery.

There is your answer right there. Good when you can answer your own questions isn't it?

There is your answer right there. Good when you can answer your own questions isn't it?

Yes it is.

It would help if we managed to give our forwards a go at it.

He came to the club when it was [censored], took on a leadership role, set an example on the field with his defensive pressure and set the standards on the track.

I think you're all a bit harsh on him.

...not this one.

What you see with Dawes is what you get, he's a battler who works hard but a limited footballer.

I think his forward pressure is overrated as he rarely catches anyone, looks good when he does. He does drop simple uncontested marks which have little to do with delivery.

Dawes does play a role, as I say what you see is what you get with him. Is he good for the club, for the time being yes but ongoing I think we will need to do better. A good forward/ruck is what I think we should be looking for.

Good to hear from you 'old dee', by the time line you must be o/s at the moment.

Got it in one rjay

Got it in one rjay

Enjoy mate

Dawes is a role player. A very capable one.

But, again, 31 Inside 50s and we are criticising the forwards for not kicking enough goals?

That number is so low, and has been so low, that one can struggle to fathom how Hogan gets his two goals a game of late...

700+ is a lot for a role player rpfc.

For that I expect a key forward who takes marks and kicks goals.

Even allowing for Limited forward entry he drops way more marks that he holds.

" Old iron hands " never seemed more appropriate.

700+ is a lot for a role player rpfc.

For that I expect a key forward who takes marks and kicks goals.

Even allowing for Limited forward entry he drops way more marks that he holds.

" Old iron hands " never seemed more appropriate.

Forget the money. Its a nonsense argument OD. We have to pay it to someone and there weren't queue's of premiership players lining up to join the Dees.

We were desperate for big bodied leaders and that's what we got. Not his fault.

Every year we see the boards cry out for "get Dangerfield" or get Judd" etc etc but they forget that very few ppl want to come to the Dees. That PJ and Roos have been able to attract to quality players by sharing their vision for the club is fankly unbelievable and we are very lucky to have secured the players we have got.

I played footy 25 years ago, but I reckon I could still sit on Dawes and punch the ball away from him because I know he'll get [censored] delivery.

For sure, but the odd occasion he does get decent delivery and he coughs it up, that's what I'm referring to.

It would help if we managed to give our forwards a go at it.

He came to the club when it was [censored], took on a leadership role, set an example on the field with his defensive pressure and set the standards on the track.

I think you're all a bit harsh on him.

If Dawes is your third tall, he kicks 1 to 2 goals a game. When he's your second tall, with limited, poor delivery, it's not surprising he's not getting a lot of it.

Dawes is a role player. A very capable one.

But, again, 31 Inside 50s and we are criticising the forwards for not kicking enough goals?

That number is so low, and has been so low, that one can struggle to fathom how Hogan gets his two goals a game of late...

I suspect it's because they look for Hogan almost every time. Sometimes it's warranted and other times it's one dimensional and lazy. I'd be kicking to Hogan though because you know 75% of the time he'll either halve the contest for you or pluck one.

Forget the money. Its a nonsense argument OD. We have to pay it to someone and there weren't queue's of premiership players lining up to join the Dees.

We were desperate for big bodied leaders and that's what we got. Not his fault.

Every year we see the boards cry out for "get Dangerfield" or get Judd" etc etc but they forget that very few ppl want to come to the Dees. That PJ and Roos have been able to attract to quality players by sharing their vision for the club is fankly unbelievable and we are very lucky to have secured the players we have got.

All that may be true jnr.

However it does not alter the fact we are paying for what we get.

An ordinary player atthe Pies and the tradition continues.

All that may be true jnr.

However it does not alter the fact we are paying for what we get.

An ordinary player atthe Pies and the tradition continues.

It's $500k supposedly, OD, not $700k and just because he is a role player, does not mean he isn't important.

Hawthorn, Freo, and Sydney are filled with role players. There are a few expansive players that are around those well oiled machines but those teams are built upon AFL-capable players with seasoned bodies playing specific roles.

Again, and this is where 'reasons' can't be dismissed as 'excuses' - what forward line can win you a game with 31 Inside 50s?

I played footy 25 years ago, but I reckon I could still sit on Dawes and punch the ball away from him because I know he'll get [censored] delivery.

Sometimes when you play AFL at the highest level i would expect you could win your own 50/50 ball, if its ok to only win ball when delivered on a plate then we would all play for the Dees

Dawes is over rated by Dees supporters.

The guy was an average player in a premiership team at the pies.

Now he is the same average player in a poor team

Don't expect more

Completely agree. I think he has a negative influence on our development. Always leads wide, fails to make an impact for 80% of the game. Sucks the life out of the team. Only pops up when the rest of the team are playing well. Seemed like Neeld gave him a free ride into the team because of his Collingwood association and now he's on good terms with Roos because he's a good trainer or whatever

It would help if we managed to give our forwards a go at it.

He came to the club when it was [censored], took on a leadership role, set an example on the field with his defensive pressure and set the standards on the track.

I think you're all a bit harsh on him.

If he doesn't even get the ball kicked to him then he can't be a very good leader