I think getting the Dalhaus move out in the media is to let the Saints know if they trade down to pick 4 they may miss out on the tall they wanted. If they are less likely to trade it our picks again become more valuable as they are the only ones in the market. Or GWS can't take the mid we want.

Lots of interesting maneuvering going on here. GWS are dealing with the Saints, and we're dealing with the Dogs. In almost any scenario, all 4 of us get what we want if we have one pick each in the top 4, but the Saints may have a preference with Wright and McCartin. If they gift GWS Petracca then they lose that choice. The power then falls on our shoulders.

Although I think we'll take Brayshaw if we keep one of the two top picks, the risk alone of us trading off BOTH picks 2 & 3 will be making St Kilda very nervous. They could trade off Petracca and end up with nothing, even by pick 4.

Lots of interesting maneuvering going on here. GWS are dealing with the Saints, and we're dealing with the Dogs. In almost any scenario, all 4 of us get what we want if we have one pick each in the top 4, but the Saints may have a preference with Wright and McCartin. If they gift GWS Petracca then they lose that choice. The power then falls on our shoulders.

Although I think we'll take Brayshaw if we keep one of the two top picks, the risk alone of us trading off BOTH picks 2 & 3 will be making St Kilda very nervous. They could trade off Petracca and end up with nothing, even by pick 4.

There are a few ways to deal with this.

If we want Petracca we just tell Saints if they want McCartin to not swap their pick. Then we take Petracca and Brayshaw. If they are as good as hyped then we have 2 class mids coming in. If Saints are going to swap their pick we tell them do that and we either take McCartin or swap him to Dogs. This allows us to get involved in all early deals for perhaps more players thrown in. We could get Frost or O'Rourke for nothing from GWS, a pick or player from Saints and a pick and player from Dogs.

This is a great opportunity for us to act ruthlessly like a top club.

MFC #3 & #22 to Bulldogs for #6 & Nathan Hrovat & pick 42

I don't mind trading down 3 to 6 but if it's Hrovat involved I wouldn't be bothering with our 2nd rounder. If dogs want it that badly they will give 6 and Hrovat for 3. If it's someone like Dalhaus then I would do it.

If we keep that 2nd rounder we can then on trade that to someone like the Roos for Greenwood. Which would give us Hrovat, Greenwood, Brayshaw/Petracca and someone like Weller or Laverde.

I wouldn't bother downgrading a top 5 pick just to get Hrovat.

Thoroughly underwhelming.

Remember, even Scully had a 40+ possession game where he looked a class above.

I wouldn't bother downgrading a top 5 pick just to get Hrovat.

Thoroughly underwhelming.

Remember, even Scully had a 40+ possession game where he looked a class above.

I remember, glad GWS were watching..

I am warming to keeping 2 and 3 and taking Brayshaw and Petracca or McCartin. If they are as good as most think, we can set ourselves up for the future. Either 2 quality mids or a mid and key forward.

Still plenty of room for more trades and picks after that.

Apparently the Swans have 2 priority Academy selections this year, Heeney and Hiscox. The Grand Finalist and recent Premier gets more help. Gotta love the AFL.

Edited October 4, 201411 yr by Redleg

Apparently the Swans have 2 priority Academy selections this year, Heeney and Hiscox. The Grand Finalist and recent Premier gets more help. Gotta love the AFL.

Heeney valued as a top-5 pick too

Heeney valued as a top-5 pick too

Still got Lloyd Perris in the wings from last year's academy selection

Brad Sewell has not been offered a contract for next year. Do we want him?

Brad Sewell has not been offered a contract for next year. Do we want him?

2 years and goodbye Jordie.

Not sure how much he has left in him, but not many better lead by example candidates. I love the way he plays. Just a matter of if he has enough left to give.

Apparently the Swans have 2 priority Academy selections this year, Heeney and Hiscox. The Grand Finalist and recent Premier gets more help. Gotta love the AFL.

How are they allowed to get both if other teams bid on both players before their first pick?

They should have to choose. [censored] the AFL is a joke.

Brad Sewell has not been offered a contract for next year. Do we want him?

His hamstrings would be like those of Subzero now.

Any Zac Clarke love on Demonland?

Any Zac Clarke love on Demonland?

Yes. If we could get him I would look at clearing Jamar out.

Any Zac Clarke love on Demonland?

Yeah I guess. Would just be nice to get a ruck who could stay on the park for a substantial chink of a season.

in three dream scenarios, we either get dangerfield from adelaide, dalhaus from dogs, or shiel from gws.

in all three scenarios we acquire lumumba, frost and sewell, plus sos as a third rounder.

dunno how likely any of the scenarios are, but i'd happily have any of the three occur over the next fortnight.

Dangerfield acquisition

Lumumba: Clark to Geelong for pick 33, on-traded to the Filth

Dangerfield: Pick 2 and 3 (Frawley compensation) to Adelaide

Best midfielder available (Daniel?): Pick 22

SOS: Pick 39

Frost: traded to GWS for pick 58

Jetta (upgrade): Pick 76

Best tall available (O McDonald?) pick 94

Best player available (?) PSD #2

B: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Grimes T McDonald Howe

C: Lumumba N. Jones (Capt.) Dangerfield

HF: Watts Hogan Viney

F: Gawn Dawes Kent

Foll: Jamar Tyson Vince

I/C: Salem Trengove Cross

Sub: JKH

Capable of playing in 22 depth: Toumpas McKenzie Pedersen Michie Riley Bail M Jones Terlich Georgiou Frost

Depth with question marks: Hunt Evans Barry Fitzpatrick Harmes King

Newly drafted depth: Daniel Stretch O McDonald PSD#2

List size: 42

Dalhaus acquisition

Lumumba: Clark to Geelong for pick 33, on-traded to the filth

Dalhaus: plus pick 6 for Pick 3

Brayshaw: Pick 2

Laverde: Pick 6

Best tall available (Goddard?): Pick 22

SOS: Pick 39

Frost: traded from GWS for pick 58

Jetta (upgrade): Pick 76

B: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Grimes McDonald Howe

C: Lumumba N. Jones (Capt.) Dalhaus

HF: Watts Hogan Viney

F: Gawn Dawes Kent

Foll: Jamar Tyson Vince

I/C: Salem Trengove Cross

Sub: JKH

Capable of playing in 22 depth: Toumpas McKenzie Pedersen Michie Riley Bail M Jones Terlich Georgiou Frost

Depth with question marks: Hunt Evans Barry Fitzpatrick Harmes King

Newly drafted depth: Brayshaw Laverde Goddard Stretch

List size: 42

Shiel acquisition

Lumumba: Clark to Geelong for pick 33, on-traded to the filth

Shiel: complicated three-team trade that sees Saints end with Jaksch and pick 4, GWS with pick 1 and pick 3, Melbourne with Shiel and pick 20

Brayshaw: Pick 2

Best tall available (Goddard?): Pick 20

Best mid available (Daniel?): Pick 22

SOS: Pick 39

Frost: traded from GWS for pick 58

Jetta (upgrade): Pick 76

B: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Grimes McDonald Howe

C: Lumumba N. Jones (Capt.) Shiel

HF: Watts Hogan Viney

F: Gawn Dawes Kent

Foll: Jamar Tyson Vince

I/C: Salem Trengove Cross

Sub: JKH

Capable of playing in 22 depth: Toumpas McKenzie Pedersen Michie Riley Bail M Jones Terlich Georgiou Frost

Depth with question marks: Hunt Evans Barry Fitzpatrick Harmes King

Newly drafted depth: Brayshaw Goddard Daniel Stretch

List size: 42

Edit: Sewell retired

Edited October 4, 201411 yr by DemonAndrew

I like the way DA is thinking. Personally I don't think that we will secure Dangerfield and would be quite happy to see either Sheil or Dalhouse walk into our starting 22, especially when both these scenarios also provide us with Brayshaw and Stretch as depth.

in three dream scenarios, we either get dangerfield from adelaide, dalhaus from dogs, or shiel from gws.

in all three scenarios we acquire lumumba, frost and sewell, plus sos as a third rounder.

dunno how likely any of the scenarios are, but i'd happily have any of the three occur over the next fortnight.

Dangerfield acquisition

Lumumba: Clark to Geelong for pick 33, on-traded to the Filth

Dangerfield: Pick 2 and 3 (Frawley compensation) to Adelaide

Brad Sewell: DFA

Best midfielder available (Daniel?): Pick 22

SOS: Pick 39

Frost: traded to GWS for pick 58

Jetta (upgrade): Pick 76

Best tall available (O McDonald?) pick 94

Best player available (?) PSD #2

B: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Grimes T McDonald Lumumba

C: Cross N. Jones (Capt.) Dangerfield

HF: Watts Hogan Viney

F: Gawn Dawes Kent

Foll: Jamar Tyson Vince

I/C: Salem Trengove Sewell

Sub: JKH

Capable of playing in 22 depth: Toumpas McKenzie Pedersen Michie Riley Bail M Jones Terlich Georgiou Frost

Depth with question marks: Hunt Evans Barry Fitzpatrick Harmes King

Newly drafted depth: Daniel Stretch O McDonald PSD#2

List size: 42

Dalhaus acquisition

Lumumba: Clark to Geelong for pick 33, on-traded to the filth

Dalhaus: plus pick 6 for Pick 3

Brad Sewell: DFA

Brayshaw: Pick 2

Laverde: Pick 6

Best tall available (Goddard?): Pick 22

SOS: Pick 39

Frost: traded from GWS for pick 58

Jetta (upgrade): Pick 76

B: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Grimes McDonald Lumumba

C: Cross N. Jones (Capt.) Dalhaus

HF: Watts Hogan Viney

F: Gawn Dawes Kent

Foll: Jamar Tyson Vince

I/C: Salem Trengove Sewell

Sub: JKH

Capable of playing in 22 depth: Toumpas McKenzie Pedersen Michie Riley Bail M Jones Terlich Georgiou Frost

Depth with question marks: Hunt Evans Barry Fitzpatrick Harmes King

Newly drafted depth: Brayshaw Laverde Goddard Stretch

List size: 42

Shiel acquisition

Lumumba: Clark to Geelong for pick 33, on-traded to the filth

Shiel: complicated three-team trade that sees Saints end with Jaksch and pick 4, GWS with pick 1 and pick 3, Melbourne with Shiel and pick 20

Brad Sewell: DFA

Brayshaw: Pick 2

Best tall available (Goddard?): Pick 20

Best mid available (Daniel?): Pick 22

SOS: Pick 39

Frost: traded from GWS for pick 58

Jetta (upgrade): Pick 76

B: Jetta Dunn Garland

HB: Grimes McDonald Lumumba

C: Cross N. Jones (Capt.) Shiel

HF: Watts Hogan Viney

F: Gawn Dawes Kent

Foll: Jamar Tyson Vince

I/C: Salem Trengove Sewell

Sub: JKH

Capable of playing in 22 depth: Toumpas McKenzie Pedersen Michie Riley Bail M Jones Terlich Georgiou Frost

Depth with question marks: Hunt Evans Barry Fitzpatrick Harmes King

Newly drafted depth: Brayshaw Goddard Daniel Stretch

List size: 42

You know what, DA, looking at any of those teams, they are pretty strong. With the exception of Grimes and perhaps McDonald, the disposal ability of the rest seems markedly better than this year. Funny that.

The Dangerfield team looks dynamic and exciting when you add his simple name to it. Having an out and out star changes the feel of a team. Suddenly, the opposition have to deal with Dangerfield, Jones, Tyson and Vince. Not to mention a developing Viney, with Cross and Sewell in support.

Edited October 4, 201411 yr by AdamFarr

Rule Sewell out - has announced his retirement.

Rule Sewell out - has announced his retirement.

Thanks, DA. Hadn't heard.

And I forgot all about Howe!

And I forgot all about Howe!

The omission made the team stronger.

My crack at a dream scenario:

Trades:

Clark for 33(geel) on traded for Lamumba.

Picks 3 and 23 for Sam Day and 28(gc). **Probably paying slight overs for him picks wise to get him out and would need to throw the chequebook at him $$ wise to get him to come.

Blease and pick 60 for 45(carl) on traded for Frost.

Players in (3): Lamumba, Day, Frost

Players out (7): Frawley(FA), Clark, Blease, Byrnes(ret), Nicholson(del), Clisby(del), Strauss(del), King®(del)

Evans/ Tapscott will be on thin ice if someone is available through DFA/ PSD.

Picks: 2 (Petracca/ Brayshaw), 28 (best available), 41(f/s Stretch), 78(Jetta rookie upgrade)

Backs:

Frost, Dunn, Mcdonald, Jetta, Grimes, Garland, Terlich, Georgiou ®

It’ll be a very blue-collar backline, will be able to lock players down and provide pressure/ turnovers but will rely on the likes of Lamumba, Howe and Vince to provide the rebound. Pedersen and Georgiou are there for tall depth.

Mids:

N.Jones, Viney, Trengove, Tyson, Vince, Cross, Toumpas, pick 2, Michie, Riley, Barry, M.Jones, Mckenzie, Evans, Stretch

Still very young, but there are a lot of early draft picks in there now (Viney, Trengove, Toumpas, Tyson, pick 2). I’m Banking on significant improvement from the young players + if Trengove can stay fit and average 20+ touches a game it will be a massive boost.

Rucks:

Jamar, Spencer, Gawn

Would expect Gawn to take over the number 1 ruck mantle, playing 80% game time in the ruck. Day will be the back up ruck, playing mainly as a forward. Jamar and Spencer are solid depth.

Forwards:

Fitzpatrick, JKH, Hogan, Dawes, Kent, Salem, Bail

Dawes, Hogan and Day are a solid tall trio, with Gawn resting forward. Kent/ JKH/ Salem fighting it out for a small forward spot. Fitzpatrick/ Pedo as tall depth.

Utilities:

Lamumba (HBF/ wing), Day (KPP/ ruck), Howe (HBF/ HFF/ wing), Tapscott (?), Hunt (?), Watts (HFF/ HBF), Pedersen (KPP/ 2^nd ruck)

Line-up:

B: Dunn, Frost, Jetta

HB: Grimes, Mcdonald, Garland

C: Vince, N.Jones, Lamumba

HF: Trengove, Dawes, Howe

F: Day, Hogan, JKH

R: Gawn, Viney, Tyson

Int: Watts, Toumpas, Cross, Salem (sub)

Emg: Jamar, Pedersen, pick 2

*Bolded players are new additions or expected to improve significantly upon their 2014 season.

Outside the top 25:

Pick 28, Stretch, Terlich, Michie, Riley, Barry, M.Jones, Mckenzie, Evans, Spencer, Fitzpatrick, Kent, Bail, Tapscott, Hunt.