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If Melbourne's list was determined by Demonland it would contain N Jones, Tyson, Cross, Vince, Hogan and Jetta. And maybe Salem and JKH. Everyone else would be in trouble.

edit: added Hogan

and why do you suppose they would stop at those names....it bears thinking about ( theres probably a handful more ) but again...Think

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    If Melbourne's list was determined by Demonland it would contain N Jones, Tyson, Cross, Vince, Hogan and Jetta. And maybe Salem and JKH. Everyone else would be in trouble.

    edit: added Hogan

    Thats getting somewhat close to the mark.

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    Watts needs a hit of Ayahuasca and some psychological awakening to form a bond between his mind and body because at the moment they're so far apart. Until he is comfortable in his body and strong in the mind, he'll always float about.

    The guy doesn't need any more football related training or exercises.

    He needs to see a sports psychologist and strip back some of the conditioning that holds him back on the field.

    And ayahuasca.

    watts needs to take about 6 of these Pre game -

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    This label of "bashing" that gets attributed to anyone who is critical of Watts' output to date is silly.

    Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

    This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

    Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

    Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

    Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

    Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

    Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

    Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

    Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

    So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

    NB Gawn is 2 years younger than Nic Nat

    Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

    Edited by ManDee

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    I have come to the point I share the idea here from Ox. Simply better to part ways with Watts and reboot.

    The real , not suggested improvement always seems a little way away, an iluusion.

    And hate to tell you , but often what Roos says isnt actually what hes thinking, its just for [public consumption. You need to decipher Roos-speak

    Have said it myself months ago. If I was offered pck 20 I would take it.

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    Have said it myself months ago. If I was offered pck 20 I would take it.

    So would I

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    Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

    This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

    Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

    Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

    Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

    Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

    Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

    Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

    Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

    So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

    Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

    While not perfect, supercoach scores are a good way of judging a players impact on the game.

    Watts - 75, Nic Nat - 89.2

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    Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

    This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

    Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

    Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

    Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

    Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

    Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

    Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

    Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

    So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

    Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

    Why would you be comparing him to three ruckman ?

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    Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

    This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

    Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

    Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

    Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

    Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

    Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

    Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

    Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

    So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

    Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

    While not perfect, supercoach scores are a good way of judging a players impact on the game.

    Watts - 75, Nic Nat - 89.2

    Ive never understood the comparisons.

    Looking at our club only=time is up and next to leave the island J.WATTS

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    Here are some names to ponder,

    Jack Leslie

    Timothy Broomhead

    Hayden Crozier

    Jayden Pitt

    Nathan Fyfe

    Tom Swift

    The last six pick 20 in the draft. Other than Fyfe would you swap Watts for them?

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    Why would you be comparing him to three ruckman ?

    I compare him to Nic Nac for obvious reasons. I compare Nic Nat to other ruckmen.

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    Here are some names to ponder,

    Jack Leslie

    Timothy Broomhead

    Hayden Crozier

    Jayden Pitt

    Nathan Fyfe

    Tom Swift

    The last six pick 20 in the draft. Other than Fyfe would you swap Watts for them?

    you assume we would HAVE to use the pick....its currency. So who knows how you might play it......just saying

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    you assume we would HAVE to use the pick....its currency. So who knows how you might play it......just saying

    Yes, but the currency of pick 20 is what you get. And my list shows you what you get for pick 20.

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    Yes, but the currency of pick 20 is what you get. And my list shows you what you get for pick 20.

    No it doesnt,it shows a list of players.

    Nobody knows what is the going rate in a moving market.

    PR is the best in the bizz at making trades.

    Please no JW comparisons,its a market based on here and now.

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    you assume we would HAVE to use the pick....its currency. So who knows how you might play it......just saying

    Yes but that is why you and some others post on here and are not list managers at a footy club

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    Yes but that is why you and some others post on here and are not list managers at a footy club

    Applied for it saty.

    Didnt get the job,told to get a private schoolboy education and to wear a tie before re-applying.

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    The value of pick 20 IS pick 20.

    You may trade it, you may pool it with other picks You can do with it what you wish, but the end of the day its value is pick 20. Someone will eventually use it and guess what they will get? Yes that's right PICK 20.

    To get more than its value is to presume that another team will pay overs for it. And the last time I looked pick 20 was not a huge bargaining chip.

    Edit- Typo

    Edited by ManDee

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    I think that actually was his point RPFC...he wasnt attributing bashing ( suggested that others were doing so ) just questioning it

    Rewritten to make sense.

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    Yes but that is why you and some others post on here and are not list managers at a footy club

    that is a vacuous statement at best. what are you actually saying ? Try addressing the comment . Its currency...now its you turn

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    Yes, but the currency of pick 20 is what you get. And my list shows you what you get for pick 20.

    put pick 20 together with a player or another pick..and the dynamic changes....muchly

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    that is a vacuous statement at best. what are you actually saying ? Try addressing the comment . Its currency...now its you turn

    Personally I wouldn't trade Watts, true he frustrates every supporter in some way, but I equate him to Brendon Goddard (used to bring at ST Kilda supporting acquaintance of mine to tears on a regular basis), he is getting there, (whoops hit the post key too quick).....Roos seems content with the direction Watts is heading so all this talk of trade etc seems mute

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    Personally I wouldn't trade Watts, true he frustrates every supporter in some way, but I equate him to Brendon Goddard (used to bring at ST Kilda supporting acquaintance of mine to tears on a regular basis), he is getting there, (whoops hit the post key too quick).....Roos seems content with the direction Watts is heading so all this talk of trade etc seems mute

    As you say Saty he frustrates the crap out of me however Roos gives no indication of anything but support.

    This time next year might be different as he will be heading towards FA.

    I will be very surprises if he is traded at the end of this year.

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    Personally I wouldn't trade Watts, true he frustrates every supporter in some way, but I equate him to Brendon Goddard (used to bring at ST Kilda supporting acquaintance of mine to tears on a regular basis), he is getting there, (whoops hit the post key too quick).....Roos seems content with the direction Watts is heading so all this talk of trade etc seems mute

    interesting comparison , Goddard that is. were you able to guarantee a similar outcome , i.e same change in demeanor and output ( ne effect ) then wonderful. I Dont recall Goddard ever being about to be bounced around as such just that he was lazy and half hearted at times. Happy to be corrected

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    McKenzie

    Clisby

    Kent

    Blease

    Strauss

    Garland

    Pedersen

    Nicholson

    Evans

    Grimes

    Tapscott

    Spencer

    Bail

    M Jones

    Terlich

    Fitzpatrick

    Michie

    Trengove

    Toumpas

    Riley

    Every single one of these players have been in the system for at least a year and have offered less than Watts, can we please move on from this conversation... he's going nowhere.

    And don't give me the currency comment. We're going to have plenty of high draft picks to work with this year.

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    however Roos gives no indication of anything but support.

    Name the last coach to publicy NOT support a current player on his list.?

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