Time is up for some players

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:01, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

If Melbourne's list was determined by Demonland it would contain N Jones, Tyson, Cross, Vince, Hogan and Jetta. And maybe Salem and JKH. Everyone else would be in trouble.

edit: added Hogan

and why do you suppose they would stop at those names....it bears thinking about ( theres probably a handful more ) but again...Think

[jazza 1,323]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:01, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

If Melbourne's list was determined by Demonland it would contain N Jones, Tyson, Cross, Vince, Hogan and Jetta. And maybe Salem and JKH. Everyone else would be in trouble.

edit: added Hogan

Thats getting somewhat close to the mark.

[dee-luded 2,959]

  On 12/08/2014 at 00:55, stevethemanjordan said:

Watts needs a hit of Ayahuasca and some psychological awakening to form a bond between his mind and body because at the moment they're so far apart. Until he is comfortable in his body and strong in the mind, he'll always float about.

The guy doesn't need any more football related training or exercises.

He needs to see a sports psychologist and strip back some of the conditioning that holds him back on the field.

And ayahuasca.

watts needs to take about 6 of these Pre game -

http://myhealthwarehouse.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/o/powersuperfoodsmacapowervegecapsules-500x500.jpg

[ManDee 7,395]

  On 12/08/2014 at 01:58, P-man said:

This label of "bashing" that gets attributed to anyone who is critical of Watts' output to date is silly.

Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

NB Gawn is 2 years younger than Nic Nat

Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

[jnrmac 20,375]

  On 12/08/2014 at 02:59, beelzebub said:

I have come to the point I share the idea here from Ox. Simply better to part ways with Watts and reboot.

The real , not suggested improvement always seems a little way away, an iluusion.

And hate to tell you , but often what Roos says isnt actually what hes thinking, its just for [public consumption. You need to decipher Roos-speak

Have said it myself months ago. If I was offered pck 20 I would take it.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:11, jnrmac said:

Have said it myself months ago. If I was offered pck 20 I would take it.

So would I

[Beats 190]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:08, ManDee said:

Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

While not perfect, supercoach scores are a good way of judging a players impact on the game.

Watts - 75, Nic Nat - 89.2

[nutbean 8,838]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:08, ManDee said:

Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

Why would you be comparing him to three ruckman ?

[jazza 1,323]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:08, ManDee said:

Just a reminder, this year , per game Jack 19 games Nic Nat 18 games Jamar 14 games Gawn 6 games

This year, Jack Watts Nic Nat Jamar Max Gawn

Kicks 9.2 4.1 4.6 5.0

Handballs 8.4 8.6 4.4 6.3

Disposals 17.5 12.6 9.0 11.3

Marks 5.0 1.5 1.8 5.0

Effective % 79.4 66.7 65.6 75.2

Clangers 1.8 2.3 1.7 1.5

Hitouts 0.1 21.8 33.8 14.7

So Watts is not a failure, Nic Nat is no superstar and Gawn is great value for money.

Edit - added Jamar and Gawn

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:24, Beats said:

While not perfect, supercoach scores are a good way of judging a players impact on the game.

Watts - 75, Nic Nat - 89.2

Ive never understood the comparisons.

Looking at our club only=time is up and next to leave the island J.WATTS

[ManDee 7,395]

Here are some names to ponder,

Jack Leslie

Timothy Broomhead

Hayden Crozier

Jayden Pitt

Nathan Fyfe

Tom Swift

The last six pick 20 in the draft. Other than Fyfe would you swap Watts for them?

[ManDee 7,395]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:26, nutbean said:

Why would you be comparing him to three ruckman ?

I compare him to Nic Nac for obvious reasons. I compare Nic Nat to other ruckmen.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:37, ManDee said:

Here are some names to ponder,

Jack Leslie

Timothy Broomhead

Hayden Crozier

Jayden Pitt

Nathan Fyfe

Tom Swift

The last six pick 20 in the draft. Other than Fyfe would you swap Watts for them?

you assume we would HAVE to use the pick....its currency. So who knows how you might play it......just saying

[ManDee 7,395]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:38, beelzebub said:

you assume we would HAVE to use the pick....its currency. So who knows how you might play it......just saying

Yes, but the currency of pick 20 is what you get. And my list shows you what you get for pick 20.

[jazza 1,323]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:40, ManDee said:

Yes, but the currency of pick 20 is what you get. And my list shows you what you get for pick 20.

No it doesnt,it shows a list of players.

Nobody knows what is the going rate in a moving market.

PR is the best in the bizz at making trades.

Please no JW comparisons,its a market based on here and now.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:38, beelzebub said:

you assume we would HAVE to use the pick....its currency. So who knows how you might play it......just saying

Yes but that is why you and some others post on here and are not list managers at a footy club

[jazza 1,323]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:42, Satyriconhome said:

Yes but that is why you and some others post on here and are not list managers at a footy club

Applied for it saty.

Didnt get the job,told to get a private schoolboy education and to wear a tie before re-applying.

[ManDee 7,395]

The value of pick 20 IS pick 20.

You may trade it, you may pool it with other picks You can do with it what you wish, but the end of the day its value is pick 20. Someone will eventually use it and guess what they will get? Yes that's right PICK 20.

To get more than its value is to presume that another team will pay overs for it. And the last time I looked pick 20 was not a huge bargaining chip.

Edit- Typo

[rpfc 29,027]

  On 12/08/2014 at 02:52, beelzebub said:

I think that actually was his point RPFC...he wasnt attributing bashing ( suggested that others were doing so ) just questioning it

Rewritten to make sense.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:42, Satyriconhome said:

Yes but that is why you and some others post on here and are not list managers at a footy club

that is a vacuous statement at best. what are you actually saying ? Try addressing the comment . Its currency...now its you turn

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:40, ManDee said:

Yes, but the currency of pick 20 is what you get. And my list shows you what you get for pick 20.

put pick 20 together with a player or another pick..and the dynamic changes....muchly

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

  On 12/08/2014 at 03:58, beelzebub said:

that is a vacuous statement at best. what are you actually saying ? Try addressing the comment . Its currency...now its you turn

Personally I wouldn't trade Watts, true he frustrates every supporter in some way, but I equate him to Brendon Goddard (used to bring at ST Kilda supporting acquaintance of mine to tears on a regular basis), he is getting there, (whoops hit the post key too quick).....Roos seems content with the direction Watts is heading so all this talk of trade etc seems mute

[old dee 24,083]

  On 12/08/2014 at 04:11, Satyriconhome said:

Personally I wouldn't trade Watts, true he frustrates every supporter in some way, but I equate him to Brendon Goddard (used to bring at ST Kilda supporting acquaintance of mine to tears on a regular basis), he is getting there, (whoops hit the post key too quick).....Roos seems content with the direction Watts is heading so all this talk of trade etc seems mute

As you say Saty he frustrates the crap out of me however Roos gives no indication of anything but support.

This time next year might be different as he will be heading towards FA.

I will be very surprises if he is traded at the end of this year.

[beelzebub 23,392]

  On 12/08/2014 at 04:11, Satyriconhome said:

Personally I wouldn't trade Watts, true he frustrates every supporter in some way, but I equate him to Brendon Goddard (used to bring at ST Kilda supporting acquaintance of mine to tears on a regular basis), he is getting there, (whoops hit the post key too quick).....Roos seems content with the direction Watts is heading so all this talk of trade etc seems mute

interesting comparison , Goddard that is. were you able to guarantee a similar outcome , i.e same change in demeanor and output ( ne effect ) then wonderful. I Dont recall Goddard ever being about to be bounced around as such just that he was lazy and half hearted at times. Happy to be corrected

[watchtheeyes 1,429]

McKenzie

Clisby

Kent

Blease

Strauss

Garland

Pedersen

Nicholson

Evans

Grimes

Tapscott

Spencer

Bail

M Jones

Terlich

Fitzpatrick

Michie

Trengove

Toumpas

Riley

Every single one of these players have been in the system for at least a year and have offered less than Watts, can we please move on from this conversation... he's going nowhere.

And don't give me the currency comment. We're going to have plenty of high draft picks to work with this year.

[jazza 1,323]

  On 12/08/2014 at 04:33, old dee said:

however Roos gives no indication of anything but support.

Name the last coach to publicy NOT support a current player on his list.?