McPherson completes coaching staff

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Only bit I didn't like. The midfielder/defender will coach the forward line. But oh well.

George Stone - Midfield/Strategy

Jade Rawlings - Backline

Daniel McPherson - Forwards

Well these appointments will upset alot of the DL groupthink on assistant coaches.

None have distinguished themselves in their respective playing careers in the designated area they are coaching in.

What is Roos doing???

[Lucifers Hero 39,673]

Can anyone explain the difference between:

- Andrew Nichol - Player Development Manager

and

- Brett Allison - Head of Development

Interesting aside in all this, the three assistants to the assistants from the last two years have now found new positions: Nichol with us (promotion?) Satterley to De La Salle as head coach, and Greaves has been announced as Development coach at Port Adelaide, responsible for ruck coaching.

On the other hand, Leigh Brown and Royal still without new homes.

It seems Neeld is also still homeless...very unhappy with his time at the Dees but hope he gets a gig somewhere else, even for the sake of his family. A public flogging by the press like he got must be pretty hard to take. Yes, I know he is paid for 2014 but can't help but feel for the guy at a personal level.

Back to topic: The updated, MFC website shows Todd Viney as - Manager Player Personnel. Any ideas on what this means?

Can't find any publications on Todd's 2013 role prior Roos but recall it was somehow related to player development. There is no List Manager so maybe the new role is similar... Viney's name is listed second to Roos so Viney's role looks like a senior spot (as he rightly deserves).

Has there been a Club confirmination/announcement on Todd's role in the Roos world? Is it a change or just a new name...would really like it if someone in D'land (or maybe the Club?) would confirm Todd's role (rather than title).

Edited October 25, 2013 by Lucifer's Hero

[DemonFrog 1,354]

- Paul Roos - Senior Coach

- Todd Viney - Manager Player Personnel

- Josh Mahoney - Manager Football Operations

- Mallory Smith - Football Administration Manager

- Andrew Nichol - Player Development Manager

- George Stone - Midfield and Strategy Coach

- Ben Mathews - Midfield Coach

- Jade Rawlings - Backline Coach

- Daniel McPherson - Forward line Coach

- Brett Allison - Head of Development

- Brad Miller - Development Coach

This is not the MFC way!

Where are all the noob coaches?

[Young Dee 1,303]

It seems Neeld is also still homeless...very unhappy with his time at the Dees but hope he gets a gig somewhere else, even for the sake of his family. A public flogging by the press like he got must be pretty hard to take. Yes, I know he is paid for 2014 but can't help but feel for the guy at a personal level.

Back to topic: The updated, MFC website shows Todd Viney as - Manager Player Personnel. Any ideas on what this means?

Can't find any publications on Todd's 2013 role prior Roos but recall it was somehow related to player development. There is no List Manager so maybe the new role is similar... Viney's name is listed second to Roos so Viney's role looks like a senior spot (as he rightly deserves).

Has there been a Club confirmination/announcement on Todd's role in the Roos world? Is it a change or just a new name...would really like it if someone in D'land (or maybe the Club?) would confirm Todd's role (rather than title).

Manager Player Personnel? - does that consist of having half the draftees living in your home?

Love the Viney family and their commitment to the club. Feeding Hogan would be a full time job in its self.

[Guest]

I am concerned a little with this overly 'Sydney' emphasis on who we have been picking up. If it were CS, CC and GL, we would be whinging about jobs for the boys. I know the big difference is these blokes have come from one of the stronger cultures in the AFL while the aforementioned triumvirate didn't get within a bull's roar of genuine success.
I will pour myself a snifter of port, sit back in my favorite chair and see what happens. It's nitpicking if anything but I hope Roos (and if you listen to him, you can tell he is smart) is smart enough to realize that we are here to win rather than hold a reunion of the 00's Sydney Swans.

[dees189227 12,385]

Well these appointments will upset alot of the DL groupthink on assistant coaches.

None have distinguished themselves in their respective playing careers in the designated area they are coaching in.

What is Roos doing???

Sometimes people make better coaches than players and vice versa. Look at Tim Watson a superstar player but was a shocking coach. Voss ended up on the scrap heap and Hird just wrecked his club but has survived. Roos knows what these people can bring and there good points.

[hoopla 418]

Sometimes people make better coaches than players and vice versa. Look at Tim Watson a superstar player but was a shocking coach. Voss ended up on the scrap heap and Hird just wrecked his club but has survived. Roos knows what these people can bring and there good points.

Absolutely right. Ex- battlers can often relate more easily to battlers than natural stars.

It was important that we develop a group of coaches who understand each other and have a common philosophy. I'm sure one of the problems we had last year was that the players were getting mixed messages from the coaches - hence their hesitancy.The fact that many of new coaches know and understand one another already.is a big plus ..... especially as they come from a winning culture

Daniel McPherson was a terrific gutsy little player ........ and his coaching pedigree is first class. The fact that he has been out of the game for a couple of years suggests that he was specifically sought out by Roos who must rate him very highly as a leader, motivator etc.. That's good enough for me

[What 18,810]

I am concerned a little with this overly 'Sydney' emphasis on who we have been picking up. If it were CS, CC and GL, we would be whinging about jobs for the boys. I know the big difference is these blokes have come from one of the stronger cultures in the AFL while the aforementioned triumvirate didn't get within a bull's roar of genuine success.

I will pour myself a snifter of port, sit back in my favorite chair and see what happens. It's nitpicking if anything but I hope Roos (and if you listen to him, you can tell he is smart) is smart enough to realize that we are here to win rather than hold a reunion of the 00's Sydney Swans.

hehe u so silly

[Guest]

hehe u so silly

Not really (and I don't appreciate the patronizing attitude). I won't go so far as starting a 'case against Paul Roos' thread as I thought that was absolute crap as Roosy is the best credentialed head coach we have hired since I have started following the club but I do reckon that hiring for coaching positions is still a little Sydney-centric. This might work out but it's just a comment. No package in football is 100% perfect. I will be happy if 80% of what they do is good and 15% is adequate and 5% could use improvement. And so far I have nothing to really grade them on.

I'm as stoked as anyone that we got Roos but I'm not going to get swept up in the euphoria again to such an extent that it clouds my judgement. I'm sure the usual suspects will be on here, ranting like nutcases, at how Roosy 'HAS DESTROYED THE MFC!!!' and screaming 'PAUL ROOS, GET OUT OF MY FOOTBALL CLUB!!!' if things turn slightly pear shaped when not only 1 year ago they were trotting out tired cliches like in 'Roos we trust!' and other bollocks.

Edited October 26, 2013 by Guest

[What 18,810]

Not really (and I don't appreciate the patronizing attitude). I won't go so far as starting a 'case against Paul Roos' thread as I thought that was absolute crap as Roosy is the best credentialed head coach we have hired since I have started following the club but I do reckon that hiring for coaching positions is still a little Sydney-centric. This might work out but it's just a comment. No package in football is 100% perfect. I will be happy if 80% of what they do is good and 15% is adequate and 5% could use improvement. And so far I have nothing to really grade them on.

I'm as stoked as anyone that we got Roos but I'm not going to get swept up in the euphoria again to such an extent that it clouds my judgement. I'm sure the usual suspects will be on here, ranting like nutcases, at how Roosy 'HAS DESTROYED THE MFC!!!' and screaming 'PAUL ROOS, GET OUT OF MY FOOTBALL CLUB!!!' if things turn slightly pear shaped when not only 1 year ago they were trotting out tired cliches like in 'Roos we trust!' and other bollocks.

Roos being 'Sydney centric' is a good thing

It means he has people around him that know his philosophies on footy, how he works and they have all had success together. They will live in harmony and the club will hit the ground running from day 1.

There is literally not one bad thing about it

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

Not really (and I don't appreciate the patronizing attitude). I won't go so far as starting a 'case against Paul Roos' thread as I thought that was absolute crap as Roosy is the best credentialed head coach we have hired since I have started following the club but I do reckon that hiring for coaching positions is still a little Sydney-centric. This might work out but it's just a comment. No package in football is 100% perfect. I will be happy if 80% of what they do is good and 15% is adequate and 5% could use improvement. And so far I have nothing to really grade them on.

I'm as stoked as anyone that we got Roos but I'm not going to get swept up in the euphoria again to such an extent that it clouds my judgement. I'm sure the usual suspects will be on here, ranting like nutcases, at how Roosy 'HAS DESTROYED THE MFC!!!' and screaming 'PAUL ROOS, GET OUT OF MY FOOTBALL CLUB!!!' if things turn slightly pear shaped when not only 1 year ago they were trotting out tired cliches like in 'Roos we trust!' and other bollocks.

I seriously doubt that Roos could sink us to lower depths. These no names come from an organisation that knows its onions. At this stage the old boys argument is irrelevant because they show the hallmarks of quiet achievers hopefully of the same quality of ex old boys Ross Lyon and Longmire. There is a lot of quality pedigree coming out of the Swans.

One could also argue Neeld came from a successful culture. But I still believe when Malthouse famously said Neeld would make a good coach was a backhander of sorts. What else could he say when asked directly? He's not going to say Neeld is a psycho chicken loose cannon.

Edited October 26, 2013 by america de cali

[DemonFrog 1,354]

Not really (and I don't appreciate the patronizing attitude). I won't go so far as starting a 'case against Paul Roos' thread as I thought that was absolute crap as Roosy is the best credentialed head coach we have hired since I have started following the club but I do reckon that hiring for coaching positions is still a little Sydney-centric. This might work out but it's just a comment. No package in football is 100% perfect. I will be happy if 80% of what they do is good and 15% is adequate and 5% could use improvement. And so far I have nothing to really grade them on.

I'm as stoked as anyone that we got Roos but I'm not going to get swept up in the euphoria again to such an extent that it clouds my judgement. I'm sure the usual suspects will be on here, ranting like nutcases, at how Roosy 'HAS DESTROYED THE MFC!!!' and screaming 'PAUL ROOS, GET OUT OF MY FOOTBALL CLUB!!!' if things turn slightly pear shaped when not only 1 year ago they were trotting out tired cliches like in 'Roos we trust!' and other bollocks.

I think I have said in Roos we trust once or twice.

But as he the head coach its a statement of fact as any Club must place trust in their head coach.

[Guest]

I view the overall package as a good thing and as I said, it's probably nitpicking. It's a 85%/15% situation at the moment. I just hope that PJ is there to make sure things don't go too far in an extreme direction (the true role of a CEO: one of oversight of the job performance of club employees, not micromanaging everything they do).

[dazzledavey36 54,577]

I seriously doubt that Roos could sink us to lower depths. These no names come from an organisation that knows its onions. At this stage the old boys argument is irrelevant because they show the hallmarks of quiet achievers hopefully of the same quality of ex old boys Ross Lyon and Longmire. There is a lot of quality pedigree coming out of the Swans.

One could also argue Neeld came from a successful culture. But I still believe when Malthouse famously said Neeld would make a good coach was a backhander of sorts. What else could he say when asked directly? He's not going to say Neeld is a psycho chicken loose cannon.

I wouldnt even call these guys no names. Atleast we know they have played AFL Footy and got lots of experience.

Guys like Aaron Greaves and Paul Slattery were all no names and even Neeldy aswell.

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

I wouldnt even call these guys no names. Atleast we know they have played AFL Footy and got lots of experience.

Guys like Aaron Greaves and Paul Slattery were all no names and even Neeldy aswell.

I was being facetious.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Not really (and I don't appreciate the patronizing attitude). I won't go so far as starting a 'case against Paul Roos' thread as I thought that was absolute crap as Roosy is the best credentialed head coach we have hired since I have started following the club but I do reckon that hiring for coaching positions is still a little Sydney-centric. This might work out but it's just a comment. No package in football is 100% perfect. I will be happy if 80% of what they do is good and 15% is adequate and 5% could use improvement. And so far I have nothing to really grade them on.

I'm as stoked as anyone that we got Roos but I'm not going to get swept up in the euphoria again to such an extent that it clouds my judgement. I'm sure the usual suspects will be on here, ranting like nutcases, at how Roosy 'HAS DESTROYED THE MFC!!!' and screaming 'PAUL ROOS, GET OUT OF MY FOOTBALL CLUB!!!' if things turn slightly pear shaped when not only 1 year ago they were trotting out tired cliches like in 'Roos we trust!' and other bollocks.

Roos is conservative and keeps things simple. It comes through all his decision making. That is drafting, trading, game strategy.

Employing known quantities with a similar ethos is consistent with all of that.

Jobs for the boys is fine, as long as they are considered the best boys for the jobs. When jobs are handed out to yes men, back scratchers and due to political allegiances then I would be concerned.

We can't test that these jobs were given out in the right spirit but we can judge Roos on the character he has displayed and his results to date. Which is why I am comfortable that the appointments have been made in the best interests of the club.

[Guest]

Roos is conservative and keeps things simple. It comes through all his decision making. That is drafting, trading, game strategy.

Employing known quantities with a similar ethos is consistent with all of that.

Jobs for the boys is fine, as long as they are considered the best boys for the jobs. When jobs are handed out to yes men, back scratchers and due to political allegiances then I would be concerned.

We can't test that these jobs were given out in the right spirit but we can judge Roos on the character he has displayed and his results to date. Which is why I am comfortable that the appointments have been made in the best interests of the club.

Very true Jabberwocky. It's why I feel slightly more comfortable this time around. Roosy has a record of success. Ever since 2010, I have always based my opinion on results and I will continue to do so. At the moment, what I'm saying is all theoretical as we haven't seen them bloody play yet! It might turn out to be a masterstroke.

Just a feeling is all.

[dazzledavey36 54,577]

I was being facetious.

Lol oh no wasnt critizing you or anything but i remember when these guys came on board and we were all like who the F are these guys??

Didnt neeldy harp on about being a footy university with all these guys he brought in??

Edited October 26, 2013 by dazzledavey36

[Guest]

Lol oh no wasnt critizing you or anything but i remember when these guys came on board and we were all like who the F are these guys??

Didnt neeldy harp on about being a footy university with all these guys he brought in??

If Neeldy was running a footy university, it would have probably looked something like this. The role of Neeldy in this case is played by Dean Bitterman and Beamer is played by Corey. I wonder who Nerdlinger was?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Sometimes people make better coaches than players and vice versa. Look at Tim Watson a superstar player but was a shocking coach. Voss ended up on the scrap heap and Hird just wrecked his club but has survived. Roos knows what these people can bring and there good points.

Absolutely agree but it won't stop the naive judgement on here as to the criteria for a successful assistant coach. And it's judgment best made by the coach.

And it might be premature about Hird surviving.....

[beelzebub 23,313]

Sometimes people make better coaches than players and vice versa. Look at Tim Watson a superstar player but was a shocking coach. Voss ended up on the scrap heap and Hird just wrecked his club but has survived. Roos knows what these people can bring and there good points.

Succinctly put. Some are good at doing it ( playing ) Some are good at Communicating it ( coaching ) A rare few are both.

We only need to draw from the latter 2 . people who can convey the nuances of the game. It always tickles me when some bloke retires and is instantly elevated to star coach in waiting. He may well be , but on ground ability assures nothing.

I think Roos knows what he's doing. I'll go with that for the time being