The problem in some respects is this idea that leaders and therefore their leadership is the province of the mid 20 yo's.

The reality is leadehip comes from leaders irrespective of age.

Viney leads by example...and ffs hes played all of one game. Hogan isnt shy about informing his team mates about wbst ought to be happening and hes played NONE !!!

Look at the ages of Trenners and Grimesy.

Watts needs to worry less about anyone providing the light of the way forwsrd and just grt on with his own game to the extent of his abilities .

Less think.... More DO

Watts said: "WE weren't good enough, WE have lots of work to do".

Cold... Cold... Colder...

Stuie i don't want to hear JW say WE.

I want to hear JW say "I"

I will become that leader. Don't give a vauge deflection. Do it himself.

Stuie i don't want to hear JW say WE.

I want to hear JW say "I"

I will become that leader. Don't give a vauge deflection. Do it himself.

Hes 22, a number 1 pick and not in a 9 man leadership group, your going to be the last guy waiting, as for a top quality footy player, thats still within his reach, but it has to happen this season.

Hes 22, a number 1 pick and not in a 9 man leadership group, your going to be the last guy waiting, as for a top quality footy player, thats still within his reach, but it has to happen this season.

But he has been a leader before at school.

But he has been a leader before at school.

Plenty of people have peaked at 16, hes not at school anymore, Julia Gillard was a leader at school also , it means nothing, ask Junior Mac, its how bad you want it.

Plenty of people have peaked at 16, hes not at school anymore, Julia Gillard was a leader at school also , it means nothing, ask Junior Mac, its how bad you want it.

i agree. How much does he want it or is he waiting for somebody else to do it?

Watts said: "WE weren't good enough, WE have lots of work to do".

WE

Watts

Especially

WE

Watts

Especially

What is your point Stuie?

You are happy that JW just keeps the status quo?

That it will all happen next week or next season?

Because some of us are throwing out a challenge to a talented boy we are haters...is that it?

Edited April 5, 201312 yr by why you little

What is your point Stuie?

You are happy that JW just keeps the status quo?

That it will all happen next week or next season?

Because some of us are throwing out a challenge to a talented boy we are haters...is that it?

Come on WYL, you're not THAT dumb, I've jousted with you often and even when we disagree I don't usually think of you as so clueless...

All I'm trying to explain to the usual Watts haters is what he ACTUALLY SAID, not what Cummings chose to write.

He said the team crumbles under pressure and they ALL need to work on it. It's really not that controversial, in fact it's spot on.

Jack is one of the players, so he's saying everyone including him. It's really quite simple.

What is your point Stuie?

You are happy that JW just keeps the status quo?

That it will all happen next week or next season?

Because some of us are throwing out a challenge to a talented boy we are haters...is that it?

I think he's saying everyone needs to go easy on Jack. Just let him waltz through a ten year career without achieiving anything.

Don't hurt his feelings. He's a sensitive young man. I'm pretty sure that's what Stuie's saying.

I think he's saying everyone needs to go easy on Jack. Just let him waltz through a ten year career without achieiving anything.

Don't hurt his feelings. He's a sensitive young man. I'm pretty sure that's what Stuie's saying.

Come on WYL, you're not THAT dumb, I've jousted with you often and even when we disagree I don't usually think of you as so clueless...

All I'm trying to explain to the usual Watts haters is what he ACTUALLY SAID, not what Cummings chose to write.

He said the team crumbles under pressure and they ALL need to work on it. It's really not that controversial, in fact it's spot on.

Jack is one of the players, so he's saying everyone including him. It's really quite simple.

I know EXACTLY what he said & I know EXACTLY what it meant.

I don't think you do.....

I know EXACTLY what he said & I know EXACTLY what it meant.

I don't think you do.....

No. You don't.

You WANT it to mean something else so you can have a go at him.

It's really simple. He said "we suck. we need to get better. all of us, including me".

End of story.

I'm with you, Stuie. Not defending Watts poor performance last week, but yours seems the more accurate interpretation of what he actually said.

Excellent article in the hun by Gerard Whately online now - compares JW to many of his contemporaries. Damning stuff.

Excellent article in the hun by Gerard Whately online now - compares JW to many of his contemporaries. Damning stuff.

Another BS article. Contemporaries? Most of those players have at least one more years and/or seasons on Watts, if not more (Mitch Robinson is nearly 2 years older).

Cherry picking a few of the early emergers, while ignoring the vast bulk of players Watts' age, while also ignoring the fact that JW missed a large chunk of last year just when he was starting to find his feet.

Cheap journalism - but obviously, it works.

Whateley demonstrates in an unbiased article how deeply entrenched our problems are. There is a slide on, and all the club can waffle on about is elite mindsets. We have a winning run against Essendon but all Neeld talks about is kpi's and elite mindsets. the players, the coaches the whole club is in denial. this thing about re-build is a total furphy, we are a club that is now permanently rebuilding supported in the short term by the AFL's largesse.

Watts wrong with Melbourne? Here's a good place to start, writes Gerard Whateley

PS: Good to at least see Jack Trengove front up against Port Adelaide.

Why is Trengove in the photo of the team supposed walking off after the Port Power loss? That aside, can't disagree with him.

He went back in a time machine to see if he could lift the boys.

I dont like kicking people when there down but the story is spot on. What has jack achieved compared to the other players mentioned in the article? Jack needs to become a leader plus become accountable on the field. Does he have the mongrel inside him? or is he happy just getting a game? Its time for him to show us what he can become

It's not Watts' fault; he is just a servant of the club, running to the parts of the ground his coaches want him to.

Another BS article. Contemporaries? Most of those players have at least one more years and/or seasons on Watts, if not more (Mitch Robinson is nearly 2 years older).

Cherry picking a few of the early emergers, while ignoring the vast bulk of players Watts' age, while also ignoring the fact that JW missed a large chunk of last year just when he was starting to find his feet.

Cheap journalism - but obviously, it works.

Excuses. Excuses.