The probablem is that we let GL choose the bloody coach again even though he chose DB.

Thought we could have learnt from our mistake the first time but I think it will be third time lucky TBF.

Garry getting it wrong hurts a bit. But it happens. I understand that even best practice recruiting gets it wrong. What hurts is how quickly he threw his arms up and distanced himself from the whole deal. That was a real rats leaving the ship moment. He could have admitted he screwed it up and I would have forgiven him in a heartbeat, but the game isn't like that, and hasn't been for a couple of years. How do we fix that when the big boys cut and run, or blame others, at the first sign of trouble?

Garry getting it wrong hurts a bit. But it happens. I understand that even best practice recruiting gets it wrong. What hurts is how quickly he threw his arms up and distanced himself from the whole deal. That was a real rats leaving the ship moment. He could have admitted he screwed it up and I would have forgiven him in a heartbeat, but the game isn't like that, and hasn't been for a couple of years. How do we fix that when the big boys cut and run, or blame others, at the first sign of trouble?

Do you accept that some of the anti Neeld prayer group here might also be getting some elements of their relentless criticism of ALL things Neeld-related wrong too?

Do you accept that some of the anti Neeld prayer group here might also be getting some elements of their relentless criticism of ALL things Neeld-related wrong too?

No

Yep, that figures. Most passionate religious types seem incapable of adopting a balanced assessment of things and dealing with confronting and complex issues. IMO our situation is not straight forward, and Neeld is not to blame for all of it.

But hey - I think the world is complicated - for many others though, they like simple messages. I get that.

I think The Ox should be on the next selection panel.

Based on exactly what qualifications?

Based on exactly what qualifications?

Zilch.

Nada.

Zip.

He's just fuelling the pathetic 'Sack Neeld' chant without offering to help or offering an alternative. Superficiality at its best.

Yep, that figures. Most passionate religious types seem incapable of adopting a balanced assessment of things and dealing with confronting and complex issues. IMO our situation is not straight forward, and Neeld is not to blame for all of it.

But hey - I think the world is complicated - for many others though, they like simple messages. I get that.

I think all "Get rid of Neeld" posters realise he is not the only problem but definately a big part of it RB.

There are big changes coming of which he is one along with the FD and board.

Garry getting it wrong hurts a bit. But it happens. I understand that even best practice recruiting gets it wrong.

Not sure if interviewing only one person for the job is "best practice".

Hardly a surprise that you end up with a poor result when you don't go through a proper process. I'm not sure the reasons for it, maybe those on the selection committee thought they were smarter than everyone else, maybe they got dudded by Malthouse's recommendation. Either way, there needs to be accountability for a mistake that has set our club back a number of years.

I'm not sure anyone thinks MN is the only problem we've got. There needs to be a number of changes in all areas of the football club. Already the CEO is gone, and at the very least the President but more likely much of the Board will change. While that's being accountable for things that have been done poorly that doesn't mean you don't fix other mistakes that were made - including the hiring of the current coach.

Not sure if interviewing only one person for the job is "best practice".

Hardly a surprise that you end up with a poor result when you don't go through a proper process. I'm not sure the reasons for it, maybe those on the selection committee thought they were smarter than everyone else, maybe they got dudded by Malthouse's recommendation. Either way, there needs to be accountability for a mistake that has set our club back a number of years.

I'm not sure anyone thinks MN is the only problem we've got. There needs to be a number of changes in all areas of the football club. Already the CEO is gone, and at the very least the President but more likely much of the Board will change. While that's being accountable for things that have been done poorly that doesn't mean you don't fix other mistakes that were made - including the hiring of the current coach.

GL was probably time poor and needed to hurry the process up so that he could fulfil his MEDIA commitments ds!

Based on exactly what qualifications?

GL has had two goes so it must be The Ox turn. Its only fair to share the duties.

Yep, that figures. Most passionate religious types seem incapable of adopting a balanced assessment of things and dealing with confronting and complex issues. IMO our situation is not straight forward, and Neeld is not to blame for all of it.

But hey - I think the world is complicated - for many others though, they like simple messages. I get that.

I hear that its MN fault for the GFC as well.

He does get around causing some mischief our little MN.

Oh who said I am religious? The only thing I worship is the blue and the red.

Do you accept that some of the anti Neeld prayer group here might also be getting some elements of their relentless criticism of ALL things Neeld-related wrong too?

Yes - but it's a qualified yes. Neeld is a big part of the problem, but I'm not convinced he'd be a failure as a coach at a club that wasn't completely dysfunctional. I have some hope that the work he's done may bare fruit for whoever the next coach / admin may be. But for whatever reasons the Neeld plan hit an iceburg, and I can't see how we can come back from that without major change.

Not sure if interviewing only one person for the job is "best practice".

It wasn't. I just meant that even when you've got all the boxed ticked it's still a judgement call. Not unlike any job interviews in the real world.

Yes - but it's a qualified yes. Neeld is a big part of the problem, but I'm not convinced he'd be a failure as a coach at a club that wasn't completely dysfunctional. I have some hope that the work he's done may bare fruit for whoever the next coach / admin may be. But for whatever reasons the Neeld plan hit an iceburg, and I can't see how we can come back from that without major change.

I have big questions on Neeld, as does everyone obviously - it's impossible not to in the circumstances.

I don't think he'll be the coach in 2014. I also think he's done and said some very stupid things, which he most likely now regrets.

That said, I think the next coach will inherit a much better list (structure, attitude and fitness) than what he inherited at the end of 2011 - principally due to the changes Neeld has implemented/made.

In short, I don't believe not all of what Neeld has done has been detrimental - in fact, I think some of what he has done has been very positive.

It's just a pity he seems to have lacked EQ and proper judgement in dealing with the senior players when he first arrived, and that he stormed into the MFC sheds at the end of 2011 in much the same way as Stormin Norman stormed into Iraq in 1991.

He never seemed to overcome the schisms seemingly created from that time onwards.

I have big questions on Neeld, as does everyone obviously - it's impossible not to in the circumstances.

I don't think he'll be the coach in 2014. I also think he's done and said some very stupid things, which he most likely now regrets.

That said, I think the next coach will inherit a much better list (structure, attitude and fitness) than what he inherited at the end of 2011 - principally due to the changes Neeld has implemented/made.

In short, I don't believe not all of what Neeld has done has been detrimental - in fact, I think some of what he has done has been very positive.

It's just a pity he seems to have lacked EQ and proper judgement in dealing with the senior players when he first arrived, and that he stormed into the MFC sheds at the end of 2011 in much the same way as Stormin Norman stormed into Iraq in 1991.

He never seemed to overcome the schisms seemingly created from that time onwards.

I am sure if we all look very hard there is some good MN has done. But does the good out weight the bad?

He admits he turned the MFC player list to crap. I seen many good MFC plyers leave the Club over the past 18 months or so. Players who would have made the team much more competative.

The guy is a legend in his own lunch box so the soon he goes the better.

I am sure if we all look very hard there is some good MN has done. But does the good out weight the bad?

He admits he turned the MFC player list to crap. I seen many good MFC plyers leave the Club over the past 18 months or so. Players who would have made the team much more competative.

The guy is a legend in his own lunch box so the soon he goes the better.

When did he admit that he 'turned the MFC player list to crap'? That sounds like rubbish.

Try posting something that doesn't end with 'sack Neeld'.

I think The Ox should be on the next selection panel.

There will not be another selection panel. New coach has already been earmarked.

Negotiations started...

There will not be another selection panel. New coach has already been earmarked.

Negotiations started...

Got a name for us?

I have it on good authority that Neeld will be gone within the fortnight.

I have a gut feeling they'll go with Gary ayres.

Got a name for us?

No, wish I did. That is info I was told, same person told me Greg Wells will be President. He wouldn't tell me the person they are speaking to re: coaching position. Time will tell if he is on the money.

Source: ex player.

No, wish I did. That is info I was told, same person told me Greg Wells will be President. He wouldn't tell me the person they are speaking to re: coaching position. Time will tell if he is on the money.

Source: ex player.

i hope its CHoco

I am sure if we all look very hard there is some good MN has done. But does the good out weight the bad?

He admits he turned the MFC player list to crap. I seen many good MFC plyers leave the Club over the past 18 months or so. Players who would have made the team much more competative.

The guy is a legend in his own lunch box so the soon he goes the better.

It was already crap.

i hope its CHoco

Same - but WITH Junior McDonald as his senior assistant.

Getting Junior back is pivotal to keeping the players on board IMO.

It was already crap.

He made it worse