Hi Old Dee

totally agree as to why we've been toilet water, my comment about supporters was referencing all the drivel (IMHO) I have heard about players from supporters of all clubs, and that I don't think the MFC is particularly afflicted with daft supporters beyond the standard mean.

I would say that 'the same passion created by five years in the bottom 6 with two last finishes.' has revealed a surprising level of stoicism and a justified level of cynicism amongst our supporters.

That said, I'm on my second marriage, so am a proven optimist, and can add myself to the daft supporter list.

Cheers

and Tom Hawkins took how long ? He doesn't get forever, I'd agree with that, but some just take that little longer, I wish he was tearing it apart but the coach is prepared to stick with him I will too for another season.

All supporters are ordinary judges of footballers, it's the passion that gets in the way of the judgement, live with it.

Likw what you said - but footy isn't rocket science

I don't expect J Watts to be a match winner every game - I would like to see some consistancy from him, i think if he can develop that this year he's got a shot at being a pretty handy player.

If not......... you''d have to agree it's been a fairly poor no.1.

2013/14 was supposed to be our "window". We'd taken Watts, Trengrove, Skully all now 50+ games. Morton, Petterd, Martyn, BAte etc over 80. We'd recruited Moloney from Geelong, Rivers was our Rising Star and Sylvia (and McLean) were top 5 picks destined to hold the cup aloft. Jurrah was destined to kick 50-70 goals a year

ONLY 3 ARE LEFT!!!!!

That's why we are back at bloody ground zero again. And posters here are already talking of Viney/Tompas/Hogan as stars when none of them have even played a game yet.

I think we'll look back on 2007-2011 as the greatest wasted opportunity in this clubs history and be amazed that we got some things so right (debt reduction, finance, move to AAMI stadium) and some things so horribly wrong - recruitment.

So in a nutshell: no

2013/14 was supposed to be our "window". We'd taken Watts, Trengrove, Skully all now 50+ games. Morton, Petterd, Martyn, BAte etc over 80. We'd recruited Moloney from Geelong, Rivers was our Rising Star and Sylvia (and McLean) were top 5 picks destined to hold the cup aloft. Jurrah was destined to kick 50-70 goals a year

ONLY 3 ARE LEFT!!!!!

That's why we are back at bloody ground zero again. And posters here are already talking of Viney/Tompas/Hogan as stars when none of them have even played a game yet.

I think we'll look back on 2007-2011 as the greatest wasted opportunity in this clubs history and be amazed that we got some things so right (debt reduction, finance, move to AAMI stadium) and some things so horribly wrong - recruitment.

So in a nutshell: no

That covers it fairly well demon25

You did forget tanking that we did not do

and Tom Hawkins took how long ? He doesn't get forever, I'd agree with that, but some just take that little longer, I wish he was tearing it apart but the coach is prepared to stick with him I will too for another season.

All supporters are ordinary judges of footballers, it's the passion that gets in the way of the judgement, live with it.

Hawkins is one example, but hardly the norm. If you're hanging on for Watts to do a Hawkins you're clutching at straws. It hardly follows that Watts will suddenly take his pathway, especially when they're very different players. And courage wasn't Hawkins' problem. His problem was belief. Watts doesn't believe either. For good reason. Timidity stifles every part of his game, which is a far bigger issue to overcome.

I'm not sure just how old a bastard you are OD. But whenever these look back or look forward threads come up I get more and more depressed. Will the likes of you and I ever see a premiership?

Hawkins is one example, but hardly the norm. If you're hanging on for Watts to do a Hawkins you're clutching at straws. It hardly follows that Watts will suddenly take his pathway, especially when they're very different players. And courage wasn't Hawkins' problem. His problem was belief. Watts doesn't believe either. For good reason. Timidity stifles every part of his game, which is a far bigger issue to overcome.

bookmark the thread, if he doesn't turn it on this year you can serve a big dose of 'i told you so' and i'll cop it sweet. That said I'm not sure it makes a difference what the problem is, just whether he can get past it. I think your right that he's a bit timid, I just think if he still has the support of the coach then we might see this change.

As for the list, if Sydney can do it we can too, (and I would vote for Neeld to be on the banner forever if that happens).

I'm not sure just how old a bastard you are OD. But whenever these look back or look forward threads come up I get more and more depressed. Will the likes of you and I ever see a premiership?

Not as old as some may think.

Age is a relative thing mate.

I went to my first GF in 1960 as a boy.

Does that give you a clue?

Will we see another flag in our time?

I sincerely doubt it Bbo.

In fact I don't expect to now.

I will be happy for us to be a regular finals team and a powerful club.

For the last few years we have been irrelevant.

I would love us to rise above that so I can go to the football and expect to win 90% of the time.

That is the best I can imagine.

Not as old as some may think.

Age is a relative thing mate.

I went to my first GF in 1960 as a boy.

Does that give you a clue?

Will we see another flag in our time?

I sincerely doubt it Bbo.

In fact I don't expect to now.

I will be happy for us to be a regular finals team and a powerful club.

For the last few years we have been irrelevant.

I would love us to rise above that so I can go to the football and expect to win 90% of the time.

That is the best I can imagine.

Imagine this my friend.

2016, last Saturday in September, MCG Members wing, Watts gets the ball in front of the interchange bench, 30 seconds to go Demons down by 5, baulk, turn, run into space, one bounce, two bounces, inside 50, the kick sails through, ball taken back to the centre, the siren sounds, Collingwood lose by a point!

GO DEES!

Imagine this my friend.

2016, last Saturday in September, MCG Members wing, Watts gets the ball in front of the interchange bench, 30 seconds to go Demons down by 5, baulk, turn, run into space, one bounce, two bounces, inside 50, the kick sails through, ball taken back to the centre, the siren sounds, Collingwood lose by a point!

GO DEES!

I will print that and read it in bed tonight.

Oh the joy!

Imagine this my friend.

2016, last Saturday in September, MCG Members wing, Watts gets the ball in front of the interchange bench, 30 seconds to go Demons down by 5, baulk, turn, run into space, one bounce, two bounces, inside 50, the kick sails through, ball taken back to the centre, the siren sounds, Collingwood lose by a point!

GO DEES!

Keep on dreaming! Sadly Collingwood will be on the bottom of the ladder by then due to a poor culture (too much success) and we will most likely by versing GWS and the margin will probably by like 20 goals!! (10 of those from Clarke, the other 10 from Hogan)

Not as old as some may think.

Age is a relative thing mate.

I went to my first GF in 1960 as a boy.

Does that give you a clue?

Will we see another flag in our time?

I sincerely doubt it Bbo.

In fact I don't expect to now.

I will be happy for us to be a regular finals team and a powerful club.

For the last few years we have been irrelevant.

I would love us to rise above that so I can go to the football and expect to win 90% of the time.

That is the best I can imagine.

We must be about he same era OD.

I went to my first GF in 1959 that I remember.

Dad said I also went to 56, but I must admit I don't recall it.

I probably spent most of the time collecting bottles to get the 2d refund.

Keep on dreaming! Sadly Collingwood will be on the bottom of the ladder by then due to a poor culture (too much success) and we will most likely by versing GWS and the margin will probably by like 20 goals!! (10 of those from Clarke, the other 10 from Hogan)

2015 - The AFL take away Collingwood's regular ANZAC day fixture and replace it with an automatic spot in the Grand Final each year. This comes about as the result of Eddie having replaced Andrew Demetriou as CEO of the AFL. "It's only fair that other teams get the chance to play on ANZAC day" says Eddie at a packed press conference.

2015 - The AFL take away Collingwood's regular ANZAC day fixture and replace it with an automatic spot in the Grand Final each year. This comes about as the result of Eddie having replaced Andrew Demetriou as CEO of the AFL. "It's only fair that other teams get the chance to play on ANZAC day" says Eddie at a packed press conference.

I like your work, Crawf52, but I know you can do better than that.

How about on ANZAC Day in 2015, the Dees take on Essendon, who are still distracted by the never-ending investigation into peptide use. After Melbourne win by 20 goals, ASADA announce that they are broadening the enquiry to include Collingwood and the AFL itself, and, as an interim measure, suspend the entire AFL executive, including Eddie himself. Eddie froths at the mouth, and threatens to walk away from the game if he is not re-instated immediately. Faced with an offer too good to refuse, the rest of the football community accept Eddie's offer, and he disappears forever to become the eternal president of Newcastle in the English Premier League. Three weeks later, ASADA announce that as a result of the enquiry, both Essendon and Collingwood are to lose all premiership points for the years 2012-2015, and for the next three years as well, for good measure. This means there is a total of 7 wooden spoons to be split between the two clubs. The decision is made by a coin toss, and the opportunity to do so is auctioned off to the public, with the MFC being the beneficiary (as compensation for being the last club to play Essendon). This raises approximately $100 million, which propels the Dees to the top of the rich clubs table. Essendon trade out all of their players at the end of season, bring in an entirely new list, and then get done for tanking. Collingwood get fined $1 billion, which means they are eternally in debt, and can't afford to pay their players, who have to work for a living while training. Consequently Collingwood get thrashed every game for several decades ...

if we are going to dream, then let's DREAM!

Imagine this my friend.

2016, last Saturday in September, MCG Members wing, Watts gets the ball in front of the interchange bench, 30 seconds to go Demons down by 5, baulk, turn, run into space, one bounce, two bounces, inside 50, the kick sails through, ball taken back to the centre, the siren sounds, Collingwood lose by a point!

GO DEES!

Ben-Hur would jump in front of a train if that happened... Win/win situation really

Ben-Hur would jump in front of a train if that happened... Win/win situation really

Let go Stu.

The signature and the obsessing are too much.

Move on.

Grow.

You're becoming too creepy even for me.

Let go Stu.

The signature and the obsessing are too much.

Move on.

Grow.

You're becoming too creepy even for me.

Biffo I know you're giving Stuie some tough love but you just have to give him more time. He has, after all, lost his only friend. He is obviously locked in the Denial/Anger stage of his grieving process.

And re the thread. After watching the NAB last night and, though rather surprised at both the outcome and the quality of the game, we seem a very long way off that pace. This season will satisfy a variety of curiosities I suspect.

And re the thread. After watching the NAB last night and, though rather surprised at both the outcome and the quality of the game, we seem a very long way off that pace. This season will satisfy a variety of curiosities I suspect.

If anything it has shown how quickly teams can change/develop (Brisbane)