Clearly Neeld recognizes his tenure might be over before it really begins if he doesn't appease the masses and get the boys singing the club song a bit more throughout 2013. With the arrival of Dawes, Viney, pick 4, Byrnes and in all probability Pederson and Ray, along with the hoped-for improvement in the players already at his disposal, you'd like to think we'll be in the hunt in far more contests than was the case this year.

I expect us to win a minimum of 8 games next year. 10 and I reckon Neeld may even get an early contract extension.

FINALS.PERIOD!

We have had six years of absolute garbage and its time for us to see winning results again week after week!

In all honesty, I want to see us absolutely destroy/smash/bully GWS this year. I hate them as much as Collingwood Essendon and Hawthorn, it started with that [censored] Gubby Allen (seriously get a name that isnt fit for a kids show) and of course it ended with TS. I dont want them to ever get close to beating us.

"If winning isn't everything, then why do they keep a score?" - Vince Lombardi

Not trying to have a go at you or devalue KPIs, but food for thought.

Lombardi was a great coach. Coaches say those things.

As a supporter of a team nowhere near the top 4 (where flags are won), process is more important than results.

And a better process will get you better results.

I like this saying:

The ladder is a legislatively important measure, but it is not the only measure.

- rpfc

Viney might give us a small something to cheer about as an 18 year old, Hogan cannot even play until '14. In all likelihood he is 3-4 years away at least of having a real impact. If you are looking at the types to puts bums on seats this year it is Clark, Jones, Grimes, Trengove, Sylvia, McDonald, Blease, Watts, Frawley, McKenzie and Howe. 11 bloody good players if you ask me.

Obviously hogan cant play until 2014 and since when did you become Nostradamus predicting how long it will take for a player to turn into a champion ever heard of a bloke called Coleman you deflater of hope

Wines and Dawes you can throw into that list as well as Viney. Young talent always attracts people and will pput bums on seats.

I really hate these conversations, because I think we need to accept that we are in a yearly competition where 18 teams start equally. 13 wins is my minimum. But i'll be expecting a premiership like I do every year

To avoid the "tick tock" thread coming back Neeld needs 6+ wins. Very generous for Neeld. My origninal thought was for 8 wins. This should be achievable given Gold Coast, GWS, Bulldogs and Port Adelaide are also struggling. No excuses now as Neeld has called the shots.

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by thaipantsman

In all honesty, I want to see us absolutely destroy/smash/bully GWS this year. I hate them as much as Collingwood Essendon and Hawthorn, it started with that [censored] Gubby Allen (seriously get a name that isnt fit for a kids show) and of course it ended with TS. I dont want them to ever get close to beating us.

Melbourne's in no position to "bully" anyone. Interested in your deep hatred of GWS? You need to let a few things go Jonesbag. As for Scully just get over it. Scully didn't like what he saw at Melbourne and who on earth wouldn't take that sought of money? The move also helped us snare Mitch who incidentally was generally bagged after Round one V Brisbane this year. Rivers gone, Moloney gone, Jurrah gone, Greene gone thank heavens we have Mitch.

As for your "[censored]" comment re Gabby Allen? Please explain?

25 wins would guarrantee a Flag.

Wins = Relevance = Bums on Seats = Money = Wins = Challenge for top 4 = Premiership

But it all starts with ... Winning!!

Add 1 win to my tally (now at 11) for the introduction of Rodan.

Needed some shimmy and pressure at the feet of Clark, Dawes Howe and co...

I want to see us play like a team. Watch the ball flow from the back line to the 50. I wanna see run and carry. I wanna see inspirational efforts. I wanna jump out of my seat with two fists pumped with excitement I wanna remember how all that feels again .

Stating the obvious - 2012 was the worst year ever - and I go back - I was there in 64 ! MN is rolling the dice - he now owns the plan ..

I just hope we get off of the 'technical' bottom of the ladder (I don't count GWS and Gold Coast)

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I just hope we get off of the 'technical' bottom of the ladder (I don't count GWS and Gold Coast)

Which is the same reason why I want us to win more than 1 game next year

Melbourne's in no position to "bully" anyone. Interested in your deep hatred of GWS? You need to let a few things go Jonesbag. As for Scully just get over it. Scully didn't like what he saw at Melbourne and who on earth wouldn't take that sought of money? The move also helped us snare Mitch who incidentally was generally bagged after Round one V Brisbane this year. Rivers gone, Moloney gone, Jurrah gone, Greene gone thank heavens we have Mitch.

As for your "[censored]" comment re Gabby Allen? Please explain?

It's the way Scully and Fat Phil handled the whole thing pants. It reeked of arrogance and they spat in the face of the MFC.

Minimum number of wins?

It'd be pretty hard to get less than zero.

But picking an arbitrary numbers of wins, I think, is for fools.

There are better measures of progress being made.

Couldnt have put it better myself.

The midfield for me is still a huge concern.

I am all for getting forwards to kick it to (I've argued this for many years), but I don't expect to see huge improvement straight away. I think Byrnes and Rodan will play more football in the middle than we expect.

8 wins minimum. And as others have said a maximum of two floggings.

Need to get back to where we were at the end of 2011 at the very least.

8 wins minimum. And as others have said a maximum of two floggings.

Need to get back to where we were at the end of 2011 at the very least.

At the end of 2011? Please no. I don't want to get back to a dispirited, rudderless fractured playing group. One who got smashed time and again by massive margins, including 186.

Ill be ecstatic with 8-10 wins.

Add to that no more than 2x60 point floggings and a % over 100.

If Richmond can get 10 wins and a draw in 2012 then we should also come close to that.

They also kept thier losing score to a minimum and lost a few games by under 10 points due to inexperience.