Hutchy and co had us taking the following in the upcoming draft.

3. Viney

4. Grundy

13. Hrovat

If we draft Grundy then i think we need to delist/trade someone from the ruck division.

I think it's a flip of the coin between Pencil and Martin.

So suns will bid for Viney?

I have been informed from my super reliable source that Neeld will accept any reasonable offer for Martin and Gysberts. Martin for either Wellingham or Goldsack is a distinct possibility particularly if Cloke re-signs with Pies. .

This would make the recruitment of Grundy more feasible but I still think we need to find a stack of A & B Grade midfielders to add to our one & only in Nathan Jones. For me it is midfielders & more midfielders until our noses bleed.

TAC Phantom Draft had Nathan Hroevat at 13. Now, I love Nathan, but at 174 cm and Viney at 178 cm and Jones at 178 cm we would be the midfield midgets.

I found it very interesting that they didn't have Ben kennedy from SA in their top 21. I love Kennedy but once again he's also vertically challenged.

Hutchy and co had us taking the following in the upcoming draft.

3. Viney

4. Grundy

13. Hrovat

If we draft Grundy then i think we need to delist/trade someone from the ruck division.

I think it's a flip of the coin between Pencil and Martin.

Did they have Toumpas at 2? You'd think GWS are pretty keen on Grundy and jeez I hope Toumpas is still there at 3/4.

Afterwards, when they were speaking to Oliver Wines, Terry Wallace also said he had the feeling Wines might go at 4 when the phantom draft had him at 6

This is the full TAC Cup Future Stars 2012 Phantom Draft (first round only announced):-

1 GWS Giants - Lachlan Whitfield (VIC - Mid)

Height: 184cm, Weight: 74kg, DOB: 18/07/1994

Recruited from: Dandenong Stingrays

2 Gold Coast- Jimmy Toumpas (SA – Mid)

Height: 183cm, Weight: 77kg, DOB: 02/01/1994

Recruited from: Woodville West Torrens

3 Melbourne- Jack Viney (VIC - Mid) F/S

Height: 178cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 13/04/1994

Recruited from: Oakleigh Chargers

4 Melbourne - Brodie Grundy (SA - Ruck)

Height: 202cm, Weight: 100kg, DOB: 15/04/1994

Recruited from: Sturt

5 Western Bulldogs - Jonothan O’Rourke (VIC - Mid)

Height: 183cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 21/04/1994

Recruited from: Calder Cannons

6 Western Bulldogs - Sam Mayes (SA – Fwd/Mid)

Height: 187cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 20/05/1994

Recruited from: North Adelaide

7 Port Adelaide - Oliver Wines (VIC - Mid)

Height: 185cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 07/10/1994

Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers

8 Brisbane - Kristian Jaksch (VIC – KPF/KPD)

Height: 194cm, Weight: 85kg, DOB: 07/10/1994

Recruited from: Oakleigh Chargers

9 Richmond - Lachlan Plowman (VIC - KPD)

Height: 191cm, Weight: 86kg, DOB: 11/09/1994

Recruited from: Calder Cannons

10 Essendon – Joe Daniher (VIC – KPF/Ruck) F/S

Height: 201cm, Weight: 89kg, DOB: 04/03/1994

Recruited from: Calder Cannons

11 Carlton – Tom Lee (WA – KPF/KPD)

Height: 194cm, Weight: 94kg, DOB: 02/01/1991

Recruited from: Claremont

12 St. Kilda - Jackson Macrae (VIC – Mid/Fwd)

Height: 188cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 03/08/1994

Recruited from: Oakleigh Chargers

13 Melbourne – Nathan Hrovat (VIC – Mid/Fwd)

Height: 173cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 07/06/1994

Recruited from: Northern Knights

14 North Melbourne - Dayle Garlett (WA – Mid/Fwd)

Height: 181cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 09/01/1994

Recruited from: Swan Districts Football Club

15 Geelong - Nick Vlastuin (VIC – Mid/Def)

Height: 187cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 19/04/1994

Recruited from: Northern Knights

16 Fremantle - Tim Membrey (VIC - Fwd)

Height: 188cm, Weight: 87kg, DOB: 26/05/1994

Recruited from: Gippsland Power

17 West Coast - Josh Simpson (WA – Mid/Fwd)

Height: 183cm, Weight: 72kg, DOB: 09/02/1994

Recruited from: East Fremantle

18 Collingwood – James Stewart (VIC – KPD/KPF) F/S

Height: 197cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 04/03/1994

Recruited from: Sandringham Dragons

19 Adelaide - Troy Menzel (SA – Mid/Fwd)

Height: 186cm, Weight: 77kg, DOB: 22/09/1994

Recruited from: Central District

20 Sydney - Jesse Lonergan (TAS - Mid)

Height: 181cm, Weight: 83kg, DOB: 14/11/1994

Recruited from: Launceston

21 Hawthorn - Jake Stringer (VIC - Util)

Height: 191cm, Weight: 91kg, DOB: 25/04/1994

Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers

"Shifter Sheahan did say that the Viney (f/s) decision was still open to conjecture. Since there's lots of discussion elsewhere, I would think we don't need to cover that ground here.

No Kennedy and Stringer at 21? Wow

It all depends when we get Viney.

Personally, I think with Jones, Viney, Magner, Couch, Gysberts and McKenzie (maybe add Taggert) our inside mid depth isn't too awful. It just needs development.

It's our outside run, carry and delivery that is most lacking (other than key forwards). 

If we miss Toumpas I think Kennedy is a must.

Honestly, if Stringer is there at 13, I would love us to grab him. I know he's yet another undersized forward/utility type, but he looks like he could be a phenomenal player. As has been mentioned above, midfield midgets is not really the way to go.

I have been informed from my super reliable source that Neeld will accept any reasonable offer for Martin and Gysberts. Martin for either Wellingham or Goldsack is a distinct possibility particularly if Cloke re-signs with Pies. .

This would make the recruitment of Grundy more feasible but I still think we need to find a stack of A & B Grade midfielders to add to our one & only in Nathan Jones. For me it is midfielders & more midfielders until our noses bleed.

TAC Phantom Draft had Nathan Hroevat at 13. Now, I love Nathan, but at 174 cm and Viney at 178 cm and Jones at 178 cm we would be the midfield midgets.

I found it very interesting that they didn't have Ben kennedy from SA in their top 21. I love Kennedy but once again he's also vertically challenged.

I hope we wouldn't be going that way . People like Kennedy, Pendlebury, Sewood and bigger bodied mids could make our already evident midfield disparity, even worse. This on paper seems to be a reasonable draft with plenty of decent sized mids to pick from and I wouldn't be averse to Grundy either. IMO we desperately need some stronger hard running players and bigger frames.

Phantom drafts rarely go that way. I don't think the Suns will nominate Viney, there is some quality in there. Surely the go home factor would be considered in this. Bet any money that's why we didn't take Nic Nat!

Got a feeling things will go our way this draft ... That will be a refreshing change for a Melbourne supporter.

Rolly, development might be a reasonable hope if Magner & Couch were 17 or perhaps even 19. You need to realise that if you want us to be where we need to be and that is seriously challenging for Top 4, then the inside mids from those teams are, Mitchell, Sewell, Burgoyne, Josh Kennedy, Hannaberry, Macveigh, Pendelbury, Beams, Swan, Thompson, Dangerfield & VanBerlo.

Now mate, if you think Magner, Couch and MacKenzie (jury out on Gysberts & Taggart) are going to be what we need in the future as A Grade inside mids, then one of us is seriously demented.

Let's hope it is Nathan Jones, Jack Viney plus maybe Oliver Wines & Jonathon O'Rourke at Picks 3 & 4.

Honestly, if Stringer is there at 13, I would love us to grab him. I know he's yet another undersized forward/utility type, but he looks like he could be a phenomenal player. As has been mentioned above, midfield midgets is not really the way to go.

Couldn't agree more, if he is still there I hope we grab him with that pick (if it hasn't been traded anyway). As for being undersized I don't really buy into heights (exc. Ruck position), say take Mat Pav he is a 192 cm MID/FWD and an absolute gun at that. I think it's likely Neeld and co. would be happy to go after the likes of Viney, Toumpas, Wines, Stringer or Hogan (U17 mini-draft) all of which are ready to step in at the AFL level... if only we could have them all

Rolly, development might be a reasonable hope if Magner & Couch were 17 or perhaps even 19. You need to realise that if you want us to be where we need to be and that is seriously challenging for Top 4, then the inside mids from those teams are, Mitchell, Sewell, Burgoyne, Josh Kennedy, Hannaberry, Macveigh, Pendelbury, Beams, Swan, Thompson, Dangerfield & VanBerlo.

Now mate, if you think Magner, Couch and MacKenzie (jury out on Gysberts & Taggart) are going to be what we need in the future as A Grade inside mids, then one of us is seriously demented.

Let's hope it is Nathan Jones, Jack Viney plus maybe Oliver Wines & Jonathon O'Rourke at Picks 3 & 4.

Burgoyne is not an inside mid, Jordie is a tagger more the like of Crowley,

I see your point but don't write off Magner completely, he should have more scope than Jones, same age same draft one has less AFL experience, the professionalism of a second preseason will do him alot of good imo.

Couldn't agree more, if he is still there I hope we grab him with that pick (if it hasn't been traded anyway). As for being undersized I don't really buy into heights (exc. Ruck position), say take Mat Pav he is a 192 cm MID/FWD and an absolute gun at that. I think it's likely Neeld and co. would be happy to go after the likes of Viney, Toumpas, Wines, Stringer or Hogan (U17 mini-draft) all of which are ready to step in at the AFL level... if only we could have them all

Yep i would think it is Stringer at 13 and Kennedy or Horvart at 23 if not Viney

I have been informed from my super reliable source that Neeld will accept any reasonable offer for Martin and Gysberts. Martin for either Wellingham or Goldsack is a distinct possibility particularly if Cloke re-signs with Pies. .

This would make the recruitment of Grundy more feasible but I still think we need to find a stack of A & B Grade midfielders to add to our one & only in Nathan Jones. For me it is midfielders & more midfielders until our noses bleed.

TAC Phantom Draft had Nathan Hroevat at 13. Now, I love Nathan, but at 174 cm and Viney at 178 cm and Jones at 178 cm we would be the midfield midgets.

I found it very interesting that they didn't have Ben kennedy from SA in their top 21. I love Kennedy but once again he's also vertically challenged.

Sam Mitchell 179cm Plays OK.

Got a feeling things will go our way this draft ... That will be a refreshing change for a Melbourne supporter.

When haven't they? We have always professed to have gotten out first choice at each pick..

So suns will bid for Viney?

None of this is set in stone, it's just the panels opinion. How they think the draft will pan out.

They did say it all depend on if GWS or GC bid on Viney then he will be pick 3.

I would be very happy if we get Grundy.

Young ruckmen who can actually play forward and have the body already to play round 1 don't grow on trees.

Trade Martin to the Suns at a good price to talk them into not picking Viney before us is what I think we should do.

They will need someOne to help out there young ruck man now Fraser is gone.

Rolly, development might be a reasonable hope if Magner & Couch were 17 or perhaps even 19. You need to realise that if you want us to be where we need to be and that is seriously challenging for Top 4, then the inside mids from those teams are, Mitchell, Sewell, Burgoyne, Josh Kennedy, Hannaberry, Macveigh, Pendelbury, Beams, Swan, Thompson, Dangerfield & VanBerlo.

Now mate, if you think Magner, Couch and MacKenzie (jury out on Gysberts & Taggart) are going to be what we need in the future as A Grade inside mids, then one of us is seriously demented.

Let's hope it is Nathan Jones, Jack Viney plus maybe Oliver Wines & Jonathon O'Rourke at Picks 3 & 4.

that you are able to function and use a computer despite your serious dementia is truly admirable and an inspiration. Your helpers must do an amazing job.

You mention 2 A grade mids from hawthorn and sydney (mitchell and sewell, kennedy and hannebry). You also mention a defender for some reason, but a simple mistake for one in your condition. mcveigh is about as genuine inside mid as matthew bate. not comparing skills only positions.

Not sure i would qualify beams or dangerfield as damaging inside mids, danger especially is most damaging on the outside.

Regardless, even if all you examples were 100% accurate you name 3 per side.

MFC A graders to be- jones, viney AND ONE OF; taggert, gysberts, magner, couch, tynan, tapscott, trengove, grimes

are you suggesting that we are incapable of developing JUST ONE of those to A grade to get to your magical 3rd inside mid which on its own will propel us to the top 4?

Alot of adelaides and sydneys success comes on the back of their OUTSIDE RUN.

It starts on the inside this is true, but the ball is then delivered to the OUTSIDE RUNNERS, who are able to link the play by breaking the lines and delivering the ball to their fowards.

Other than sam blease and nicholson (if he can clean up his disposal) there are few on our list capable of such feats and i see this as a glaring hole we could go a long way to fixing this draft.

Rolly, if you don't think Dangerfield and Beams are inside mids and you don't appreciate that when the game was in the balance Hawthorn sent Burgoyne into the centre square for the all important clearance late in the game well I think you are best to keep BUYING THE HOPE that Cameron Schwab, Craig Cameron, Barry Prendergast & Chris Connoly have been selling you for years.

Anyway, the point I was making is that Magner & Couch have absolutely no chance of making it in a Top 4 side and Mackenzie beside being a GREAT BLOKE, well let's just say I am not a Mackenzie fan because i just don't give a stuff about how great a bloke they are. I want my midfielders to win some footy and kick better than 40 metre floaters.

The fact is we have the worst list by a long way and we are acknowledged as having the worst midfield by an even greater margin. But anyway, you keep hanging on to Magner, Couch, Gysberts & Mackenzie.

I would be very happy if we get Grundy.

Young ruckmen who can actually play forward and have the body already to play round 1 don't grow on trees.

Trade Martin to the Suns at a good price to talk them into not picking Viney before us is what I think we should do.

They will need someOne to help out there young ruck man now Fraser is gone.

MFC claim they will be hard at it over the trade/draft period, I hope they threaten GC by saying they will have a crack at Tippet and raise his price tag up 800K... if they wish to nominate for Viney that is.

Afterwards, when they were speaking to Oliver Wines, Terry Wallace also said he had the feeling Wines might go at 4 when the phantom draft had him at 6

I did think that comment was a bit odd, was he the player they described to play like Dusten Marten?

MFC claim they will be hard at it over the trade/draft period, I hope they threaten GC by saying they will have a crack at Tippet and raise his price tag up 800K... if they wish to nominate for Viney that is.

I like that idea. Hope they do that.

Rolly, if you don't think Dangerfield and Beams are inside mids and you don't appreciate that when the game was in the balance Hawthorn sent Burgoyne into the centre square for the all important clearance late in the game well I think you are best to keep BUYING THE HOPE that Cameron Schwab, Craig Cameron, Barry Prendergast & Chris Connoly have been selling you for years.

Anyway, the point I was making is that Magner & Couch have absolutely no chance of making it in a Top 4 side and Mackenzie beside being a GREAT BLOKE, well let's just say I am not a Mackenzie fan because i just don't give a stuff about how great a bloke they are. I want my midfielders to win some footy and kick better than 40 metre floaters.

The fact is we have the worst list by a long way and we are acknowledged as having the worst midfield by an even greater margin. But anyway, you keep hanging on to Magner, Couch, Gysberts & Mackenzie.

Got the coaches award for a third year staight under 2 coaches and came 4th or 5th in the Bluey pretty sure he is rated highly.