Sharrod Wellingham is still OOC which I understand may only mean that the Pies are waiting till Cloke decides what he is doing, before they finalise all their OOC players. But if Cloke re-signs, and there is an opportunity to get Sharrod to the Dee's.

What do you think would be a fair offer?

Sharrod Wellingham is still OOC which I understand may only mean that the Pies are waiting till Cloke decides what he is doing, before they finalise all their OOC players. But if Cloke re-signs, and there is an opportunity to get Sharrod to the Dee's.

What do you think would be a fair offer?

500k a year? I like him...hard body, hard attitude.

500k a year? I like him...hard body, hard attitude.

I agree, like him, but I think the OP means in terms of what's a fair trade.

Shame Riv is a FA, Pies could have done with a key back with Brown already gone and Tarrant next.

I'd be happy to give up pick 13. A good indicator will be how hard Neeld goes after him seeing he would know him very well.

Collingwood will be in finals contention the next 3-4 years one would think.

We probably won't be in contention for the next couple - probably 3.

It would have to be a hell of a deal and I'm not sure he is worth a hell of a deal.

Collingwood will be in finals contention the next 3-4 years one would think.

We probably won't be in contention for the next couple - probably 3.

It would have to be a hell of a deal and I'm not sure he is worth a hell of a deal.

We have a poor midfield KDA - if we pick anyone up, we'll need to pay overs.

I agree, like him, but I think the OP means in terms of what's a fair trade.

Shame Riv is a FA, Pies could have done with a key back with Brown already gone and Tarrant next.

I'd be happy to give up pick 13. A good indicator will be how hard Neeld goes after him seeing he would know him very well.

Pick 13 would be a pretty good deal, you'd bet Eddie would push it as far as he could though.

I still like the idea of trading Martin for Wellingham.

Martin and Davis

Sharrod Wellingham is still OOC which I understand may only mean that the Pies are waiting till Cloke decides what he is doing, before they finalise all their OOC players. But if Cloke re-signs, and there is an opportunity to get Sharrod to the Dee's.

What do you think would be a fair offer?

What about - 3 way deal Collingwood - Melbourne - West Coast

Collingwood get Martin

West Coast get Wellingham

Melbourne get xxxxxxxxx off West Coast xxxxxx = something, hard to say what we would ask off them.

then maybe some draft picks to even it up.

We have a poor midfield KDA - if we pick anyone up, we'll need to pay overs.

Yeah, I get that, I guess I wouldn't be too disapointed to land a player the quality of Wellingham.

Your spot on about us needing quality midfielders and Wellingham would add some outside class to our midfield.

I agree, like him, but I think the OP means in terms of what's a fair trade.

Shame Riv is a FA, Pies could have done with a key back with Brown already gone and Tarrant next.

I'd be happy to give up pick 13. A good indicator will be how hard Neeld goes after him seeing he would know him very well.

I guess what I am trying to ask is what would people think would be the deal to get Wellingham to MFC. Money picks whatever.

I was thinking pick 13 would sweeten it for the Pies and $500K sounds good for player. As he is OOC if we offer him a good money deal and offer the Pies pick 13 would that be plausible.

I am really not sure as I don't have a handle on what happens with OOC players can they be approached by other clubs? or is that only the Free Agents? Can you only trade Out of contract players for picks or other players between clubs?

Sorry if that is not any clearer but the introduction of Free Agency has added to my overall confusion this year in regards to trades and the draft.

I still like the idea of trading Martin for Wellingham.

Collingwood would laugh in our faces.

Pass.

Wellingham, Toumpas, Viney, Hogan

Pick 13 and Martin. Make it happen. We need a player exactly like him. He works alot harder then alot of people give him credit for and would be another Mitch Clarke under Neeld at the dees.

Collingwood would laugh in our faces.

Reckon Sharrod would not be to keen either. If he was to leave Pies think he would go home to WA. But, you never know.

Carlton will make Cloke a huge offer. But I reckon Eddie's ego won't let him pass - he'll say we've just got to match it no matter what the cost. It's quite likely to hurt them. Wellingham is likely to get squeezed out and their cap will be so tight they'd probably prefer picks to players - they may not even be able to afford Martin. Straight swap for pick 13 could be their best option.

I think that this would be a fair trade

Martin + Pick 13 for Wellingham and pick 17

Carlton will make Cloke a huge offer. But I reckon Eddie's ego won't let him pass - he'll say we've just got to match it no matter what the cost. It's quite likely to hurt them. Wellingham is likely to get squeezed out and their cap will be so tight they'd probably prefer picks to players - they may not even be able to afford Martin. Straight swap for pick 13 could be their best option.

Agree you would have to claw Cloke out of Eddies cold, rigid, dead fingers after the effort he put in against the Hawks last week. Take Cloke out of the Collingwood side and the Hawks win by twice as much. The will not be flag contenders next year without Cloke and Eddie knows it .

I think that this would be a fair trade

Martin + Pick 13 for Wellingham and pick 17

I think Martin is more attactive to Collingwood than people think. They desperately need someone to play the Leigh Brown role and from what we have seen this year Dawes isn't up to it. (not sure Martin is either TBH).

Olisik's suggested trade seems quite reasonable to me. At worst maybe Collingwoods return pick drops to a second rounder.

We will need to offer Sharrod big $ though. 2.5 million over 4 years, front loaded perhaps. No way Collingwood will have that much cash to splash if they retain Cloke.

I think Martin is more attactive to Collingwood than people think. They desperately need someone to play the Leigh Brown role and from what we have seen this year Dawes isn't up to it. (not sure Martin is either TBH).

Olisik's suggested trade seems quite reasonable to me. At worst maybe Collingwoods return pick drops to a second rounder.

We will need to offer Sharrod big $ though. 2.5 million over 4 years, front loaded perhaps. No way Collingwood will have that much cash to splash if they retain Cloke.

Over $600k a year for Wellingham? Surely we wouldn't be that stupid. As someone said the other day, he needs to work out if he is Jarrod or Sharon. While tha trelates to his name, it also relates to his play if you ask me. Sometimes he's a Jarrod, other times he's Sharon. I don't want him.

I have to ask, if Martin is a possibility of playing that "Leigh Brown" role, and Collingwood are desperate for that, what state does that leave us in? Collingwood are still playing finals the last I looked. It would be argued that we are more despearte than most teams for certain types of players, yet people want us to give one away? Not only that, the "type" that Collingwood are despearte for, and who you think Martin could turn in to, Leigh Brown, is on our bloody coaching roster. If someone can turn a player in to a Leigh Brown type, I'd expect the best person to do that would be Leigh Brown himself! No-one knows what it will take Stef to become Brown more than Brown!

Billy, the reality is our midfield is deplorable. Easily the worst midfield in the entire competition. In fact it would barely break even with the best midfield in the VFL.

Stefan Martin is a good ordinary player. but in the position and role (ruck/part time forward) he plays at Melbourne he is only going to be 3rd string at best whilst Jamar and Clark are there. And once Jamar goes there needs to be an expectation that Gawn and Fitzpatrick will be pushing up hard (or have already failed).

Sharrod would immediately be our best or second best (arguable) midfielder. A positon you need to bat 10 or 12 deep to compete with the elite sides.

He is young, comes from a winning culture a plays a position the Pies have surplus of. A trade of this type is win-win for mine.

A cost of 600K a year front loaded is no doubt overs, but the reality is that's the only thing that will lure a decent player to our club. We have no other cards to play.

Billy, the reality is our midfield is deplorable. Easily the worst midfield in the entire competition. In fact it would barely break even with the best midfield in the VFL.

Totally disagree. Ok it may be the worst in the AFL, but the fact that Moloney, Couch, Magner dominate in the VFL and can't make it at AFL level, it would suggest that ours is in fact better than the best midfield in the VFL.

He has benefited from being in a midfield of swan, thomas, pendelbury,ball, beams etc.

Never had the No 1 or 2 tag applied to him and not convinced he would be a gun in our side. He is a handy player in a gun midfield at the moement

He has benefiteed from being in a midfield of swan, thomas, pendelbury,ball, beams etc.

Never had the No 1/2 tag applied to him and not convinced he would be a gnu in our side. He is a handy player in a gun midfield at the moement

There in lies the problem. If he was going to move he would probably want to go back into a "gun midfield" - maybe one closer to "home."

Apparently we are going hard for Wellingham. Maybe Gysberts and Martin as a pair will go for him.

2 NQRs for player who will be in our best 3 mids. Good trade imo

I think the eagles would be keen to have Wellingham, and he would see the benefit. Collingwood would like Stef Martin.

We should not be throwing in too much.

Maybe Martin to Pies, Wellingham to Eagles and pick 17 to Dees. With pick 17 I would see if we could get Ben Jacobs back from the Power. He is 20, and would be the perfect left footer quarterback/half back we need. Great skills. Would be a Grant Birchall type.