As someone who has floated this - I have not heard anywhere that the AFL sanctions this type of behaviour. And as it is new to AFL (if sanctioned) it is fraught with danger.

If Essendon sign a RFA and then a club meets that contract and says 'here we will trade him to you' - I bet you the Bombers say 'nah, don't want for the price' and that club is stuck with a player they don't want and who doesn't want to be there.

I don't believe that a sign and trade will be at all possible with any free agents.

Yes, it happens in the NBA, but I am of the understanding that there is a rule about trading players who have only recently signed - a minimum amount of time that must pass once signing before they can be traded.

Some sort of safeguard against teams signing a player, then trading them a couple of days or weeks later.

If Blease were in this draft I would take him with our 3rd rounder at the lowest.

Silly if serious

Bate for Aaron Edwards (Nth)

If Blease were in this draft I would take him with our 3rd rounder at the lowest.

If Blease was on the market, he would easily be worth a top ten pick.

So, YDKSAF.

If Blease was on the market, he would easily be worth a top ten pick.

So, YDKSAF.

After walking out on a club? I highly doubt that..

If Blease was on the market, he would easily be worth a top ten pick.

So, YDKSAF.

No i don't think so. He went at no 17 didn't he when first drafted? Do you think he has improved on that,? I don't. I mean he only played a handful of games, suffered a very serious injury, is not great defensively and has really only played one or two really good games.

Don't get me wrong, he's good and will get much better but if he did nominate for the draft (which has been previously mentioned in this thread that is unlikely ie if we couldn't come to terms and forced him to go to the draft he's more likely to go thru the PSD, assuming of course his suitor is GWS or GC) i reckon he'd go late first round at best.

Bate for Aaron Edwards (Nth)

Mate, I can't...

You just...

(sigh)

Bate cannot be traded.

Easy on Jungle Dee, his gonna be upset when we dont draft Grundy

I think he's gonna be upset when we don't draft the entire consensus top 10, and then trade Morton plus pick 872 for Beams.

Why can't FA be traded?

Because they are free to sign with whoever they like.

What exactly would you be trading?

With normal trades, when a player is out of contract but not a free agent, his team still owns the exclusive right to sign him unless he goes in the draft. That right can be traded.

With a free agent there is no rights to trade, as every club now has that right.

Why can't FA be traded?

Do you know what FA stands for?

Free Agent.

Does that answer your question?

Ok, so if we have restricted free agent, and that player wishes to go to club A. We are keen to keep him or drive the bargain so match the offer. If club A says fine we'll trade you pick X for player and player B, wouldn't that still be acceptable?

I understand the value of trading players who are free agents is illogical, but it sounds like people are saying they won't be traded under any circumstances.

Ok, so if we have restricted free agent, and that player wishes to go to club A. We are keen to keep him or drive the bargain so match the offer. If club A says fine we'll trade you pick X for player and player B, wouldn't that still be acceptable?

I understand the value of trading players who are free agents is illogical, but it sounds like people are saying they won't be traded under any circumstances.

I don't think the AFL have had much thought of a 'sign & trade' scenario, and since it is new to the AFL (if it is allowed) I don't think it will be prevalent.

Any club that matches an offer without an agreement already in place is just waiting to get dudded and have a contract they don't want and a player that doesn't want to be there.

Mate, I can't...

You just...

(sigh)

Bate cannot be traded.

Correct Bate will not be traded ... delisting more likely

Correct Bate will not be traded ... delisting more likely

Yes, things that are possible are usually more likely than things that are impossible...

I think the only option an RFA has is go to draft and hope that certain club is going to pick you up.

I think the only option an RFA has is go to draft and hope that certain club is going to pick you up.

Huh?

You are assuming his club can afford him, wants him, and that the player doesn't want to stay.

This would be incredibly rare.

Rare to the point that I don't think it will happen.

Edited August 17, 201212 yr by rpfc

Wow, fair bit to keep to keep track of.

There happens to be a 11 day overlap between free agency period and trade period. My head might explode trying to work out scenarios.

At what point is a restricted free agent officially unattached? Commencement of free agency period I presume?

Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Ok. 'Mr. Now it all!'. Bate cant be traded. Boooo F...ing Whoooo!

Ohhhhh yeeeees! I will be really upset when we dont draft GRUNDY. So will f...ing everybody else when he destroys us on game day.

Olisik, you will sulk watching him destroy us on game day. And best of all you will not forget my name 'Jungle Dee'.

It will stick. Trust me! GRUNDY, JUNGLE DEE, GRUNDY, JUNGLE DEE.

You might want to stock up on tissues and book a psycologist now!

Edited August 17, 201212 yr by GRUN DEE

I don't think the AFL have had much thought of a 'sign & trade' scenario, and since it is new to the AFL (if it is allowed) I don't think it will be prevalent.

...

I believe that a player must serve at least 12 months of a contract to stop just that sort of shenaniganary.

Also RFAs can be traded* , but UFA cannot.

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* From http://www.afl.com.a...09/default.aspx:

3. A player has served eight or more seasons of AFL football at one club, is one of the 10 highest-paid players at his club, and is now out of contract for the first time since reaching eight seasons of service.

The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.

If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.

His club has the right to match the presented offer.

If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.

If the club does not or can not match the offer, the player can move to the new club of his choice.

His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period.

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Editied for emphasis

Edited August 17, 201212 yr by Thrice

Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Ok. 'Mr. Now it all!'. Bate cant be traded. Boooo F...ing Whoooo!

Ohhhhh yeeeees! I will be really upset when we dont draft GRUNDY. So will f...ing everybody else when he destroys us on game day.

Olisik, you will sulk watching him destroy us on game day. And best of all you will not forget my name 'Jungle Dee'.

It will stick. Trust me! GRUNDY, JUNGLE DEE, GRUNDY, JUNGLE DEE.

You might want to stock up on tissues and book a psycologist now!

What about a new posting name - GRUN DEE?

I believe that a player must serve at least 12 months of a contract to stop just that sort of shenaniganary.

Also RFAs can be traded* , but UFA cannot.

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* From http://www.afl.com.a...09/default.aspx:

3. A player has served eight or more seasons of AFL football at one club, is one of the 10 highest-paid players at his club, and is now out of contract for the first time since reaching eight seasons of service.

The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.

If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.

His club has the right to match the presented offer.

If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.

If the club does not or can not match the offer, the player can move to the new club of his choice.

His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period.

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Editied for emphasis

Great spot.

But that isn't quite a 'Sign and Trade' with the emphasis on 'sign'...

If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.

The player may stay and sign the contract OR seek a trade OR enter the draft.

Essentially, if Moloney for example, has a contract met by us, he can say 'nah' and ask for a trade, or 'nah' and enter the draft. With the latter more likely.

In US sports, a RFA who has an 'offer sheet' met must sign that contract. Here, we can offer a RFA the same contract but he can go into the draft if he wishes...

I guess my point has evolved into - you can try and trade RFAs but you have to ask yourself whether they will make it to that club through the draft anyway, in which it might be moot.

Edited August 17, 201212 yr by rpfc

Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Ok. 'Mr. Now it all!'. Bate cant be traded. Boooo F...ing Whoooo!

Ohhhhh yeeeees! I will be really upset when we dont draft GRUNDY. So will f...ing everybody else when he destroys us on game day.

Olisik, you will sulk watching him destroy us on game day. And best of all you will not forget my name 'Jungle Dee'.

It will stick. Trust me! GRUNDY, JUNGLE DEE, GRUNDY, JUNGLE DEE.

You might want to stock up on tissues and book a psycologist now!

Jungle Dee = Grun Dee?

Another player who supported the MFC as a junior and went on to do bigger and better things at other clubs?

Josh Toy wants out of the Suns. Hopefully Josh Caddy also says his coming back to Victoria. Caddy is our focus. 20yo, strong, long kick, and physically ready to go.