I have been looking at the comparison between them both and i think Jack can step up his game in 2013 and become an elite Mid in the mould of Lenny.

First he must trim down,become leaner

Second he must have a huge preseason with the view to play mid all year.

Lenny is 186cm 83kg

Jack 187cm 85kg

I love the way Grimes goes about his footy and Neeld should make him set his style around Hayes in 2013 .

Edited August 4, 201213 yr by ashdemons22

I have been looking at he comparison between them both and i think Jack can step up his game in 2013 and become an elite Mid in the mould of Lenny.

First he must trim down,become leaner

Second he must have a huge preseason with the view to play mid all year.

Lenny is 186cm 83kg

Jack 187cm 85kg

I love the way Grimes goes about his footy and Neeld should make him set his style around Hayes in 2013 .

I love Grimes but it's easier said then done to become Lenny. While we are at it can we make Morton into Rioli, Cook into Darling, Gawn into Cox and so on and so on.

I love Grimes but it's easier said then done to become Lenny. While we are at it can we make Morton into Rioli, Cook into Darling, Gawn into Cox and so on and so on.

Now you are talking.

How much leaner do you want him to be? He looks skinny compared to Hayes, Hayes looks extremely powerful through the hips/trunk/upper legs.

Edited August 4, 201213 yr by Dr. Gonzo

I love Grimes but it's easier said then done to become Lenny. While we are at it can we make Morton into Rioli, Cook into Darling, Gawn into Cox and so on and so on.

that's just stupid unrealistic comment with a hint of sarcasm.

So whats your opinion to improvement, early Draft picks will solve our problems?

We need current senior players to take the next step and improve if we are going to get any where. and Grimes stepping it up in the Mid and basing his game around Hayes is realistic.

that's just stupid unrealistic comment with a hint of sarcasm.

So whats your opinion to improvement, early Draft picks will solve our problems?

We need current senior players to take the next step and improve if we are going to get any where. and Grimes stepping it up in the Mid and basing his game around Hayes is realistic.

Well duh!

Just let Jack be Jack, time on the ground and he will develop into a very good player, maybe even to the elite level.

He will base his game on his strengths and by the sounds of things will work hard on his weakness to realise his potential.

I have been looking at the comparison between them both and i think Jack can step up his game in 2013 and become an elite Mid in the mould of Lenny.

First he must trim down,become leaner

Second he must have a huge preseason with the view to play mid all year.

Lenny is 186cm 83kg

Jack 187cm 85kg

I love the way Grimes goes about his footy and Neeld should make him set his style around Hayes in 2013 .

hei Ash!

Funny thing you say that. A good mate barracks for Saints and strongly feels Hayes should take over the Captaincy from Reivolt next year. Hayes is an absolute star. Had him in my Supercoach team all year and followed his progress post knee OP. Absolute Profesional.

You know Ash...I think Grimes should just be J. Grimes and be a trailblazer. Still very young. Let others aspire to be him.

that's just stupid unrealistic comment with a hint of sarcasm.

So whats your opinion to improvement, early Draft picks will solve our problems?

We need current senior players to take the next step and improve if we are going to get any where. and Grimes stepping it up in the Mid and basing his game around Hayes is realistic.

Ash is right. There is a lot of talk around early draft picks. If and when the current crop steps up a notch or two (Grimes, Trenners, Morto, McK, Spec and Fitz, Wattsy, Bleasey) this will go along, long way to Melbourne winning games. Lets not talk finals just winning a few will boost confidence. SUNDAY IS VITAL!! Fair concept re the Hayes idea.

Thai Id put money on at least two of those listed not being a demon next year but I agree with what your saying.

How much leaner do you want him to be? He looks skinny compared to Hayes, Hayes looks extremely powerful through the hips/trunk/upper legs.

Similar to Popey in fact!!

jamie bennell needs to be Wayne Carey I think that would be a good idea

I love Grimes but it's easier said then done to become Lenny. While we are at it can we make Morton into Rioli, Cook into Darling, Gawn into Cox and so on and so on.

NOOO...Morton into Cotchin, Cook into Jack Hawkins or Drew Petrie and Gawn's gotta be Sandilands !

jamie bennell needs to be Wayne Carey I think that would be a good idea

Bennell if his knee comes good can be Eddie Betts! Pretty sure Neeld was working on this one.

Thai Id put money on at least two of those listed not being a demon next year but I agree with what your saying.

Neeld likes McK hard tags. Will stay. Morto may well be traded. Still young enough.

I have been looking at the comparison between them both and i think Jack can step up his game in 2013 and become an elite Mid in the mould of Lenny.

First he must trim down,become leaner

Second he must have a huge preseason with the view to play mid all year.

Lenny is 186cm 83kg

Jack 187cm 85kg

I love the way Grimes goes about his footy and Neeld should make him set his style around Hayes in 2013 .

As a player .. disagree

As a leader .. yes, please

I have been looking at the comparison between them both and i think Jack can step up his game in 2013 and become an elite Mid in the mould of Lenny.

First he must trim down,become leaner

Second he must have a huge preseason with the view to play mid all year.

Lenny is 186cm 83kg

Jack 187cm 85kg

I love the way Grimes goes about his footy and Neeld should make him set his style around Hayes in 2013 .

Dream on!