Weak to bag out a guy that swallowed his pride to do what was considered best for us by our board.

Sure, wasn't the coach for us going forward, but at least there were some wins and some exciting footy occasionally, haven't seen any of that this year yet.

Sure he did what he thought was best but he thought it was in his best interests as well remember. It mightn't have turned out that way but he thought but bottoming out heavily and loading up on draft picks he would be building a team primed for a dynasty. Pretty sure he didn't think it would lead to the team being rubbish and him being sacked after 3 and a half seasons. He did what he thought was right but he wasn't a martyr.

Sure he did what he thought was best but he thought it was in his best interests as well remember. It mightn't have turned out that way but he thought but bottoming out heavily and loading up on draft picks he would be building a team primed for a dynasty. Pretty sure he didn't think it would lead to the team being rubbish and him being sacked after 3 and a half seasons. He did what he thought was right but he wasn't a martyr.

Pretty sure it wouldn't have been Bailey's idea to lose as many games as possible, wreck his reputation and coaching CV, all for the sake of some draft picks...

Pretty sure he thought loading up on draft picks was the best way to go towards building a premiership list...

Pretty sure it wouldn't have been Bailey's idea to lose as many games as possible, wreck his reputation and coaching CV, all for the sake of some draft picks...

Yeah that was Schwab's idea.

Pretty sure he thought loading up on draft picks was the best way to go towards building a premiership list...

Yeah he seemed real happy about tanking for picks when he was fired....

Yeah that was Schwab's idea.

Can it Jackie, very very thin ice mate

Yeah I heard Schwab was on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas in November '63 as well.

Yeah he seemed real happy about tanking for picks when he was fired....

Are you seriously suggesting that someone (Schwab, Stynes who?) told Bailey he had to lose games on purpose and ensure we got priority picks in 2008 & 2009? Are you saying that they told Bailey he had to sack Yze, White, Robertson etc?

Yeah I heard Schwab was on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas in November '63 as well.

That rumour has already been discussed on this forum.

Are you seriously suggesting that someone (Schwab, Stynes who?) told Bailey he had to lose games on purpose and ensure we got priority picks in 2008 & 2009? Are you saying that they told Bailey he had to sack Yze, White, Robertson etc?

Not sure about Yze etc, may have been the decision of the list manager, but I thought it seemed obvious Bailey was under instructions, otherwise he would not have lasted as long as he had with some of those performances early on, eg: Richmond...

Not sure about Yze etc, may have been the decision of the list manager, but I thought it seemed obvious Bailey was under instructions, otherwise he would not have lasted as long as he had with some of those performances early on, eg: Richmond...

Bailey did say he was instructed to position the club for draft picks. Who is going to call him a liar?

I tell you what, the hole goes deeper than what we all think, I'm not allowed to comment on what I know specifically but...

... but you will anyway.

Source?

It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and claim to be in the know.

If someone inside is giving you info about our list changes at the end of the year, they will surely be looking for employment elsewhere as well.

Loose lips.

I have absolutely no problem with Dean Bailey at all. But i am still staggered that we passed up on Sheeds experience in 2008 and favoured an untried coach.

I know many will disagree. But Sheeds aint finished yet. By next year GW$ will be winning some serious games.

I have absolutely no problem with Dean Bailey at all. But i am still staggered that we passed up on Sheeds experience in 2008 and favoured an untried coach.

I know many will disagree. But Sheeds aint finished yet. By next year GW$ will be winning some serious games.

I agree with that. There has been some posts on this forum saying that Sheedy wanted too much money. But judging from his reaction at being spurned it does not sound credible. He was desperate at the time to prove that he was still relevant and sincerely wanted to coach us.

Are you seriously suggesting that someone (Schwab, Stynes who?) told Bailey he had to lose games on purpose and ensure we got priority picks in 2008 & 2009? Are you saying that they told Bailey he had to sack Yze, White, Robertson etc?

That is pretty much how 2008-9 panned out in my eyes and from what Dean said in his final presser.

I don't think now Bailey was the cause of our problems. It must be remembered we were going along quite well in the middle of 2010 and not much different to where Richmond are now. Then something happened at the club and followed by a steady decline turning into a dramatic free fall. At a time about 18 months ago I thought he may have been the problem for our listless performances but it is clear to me now he has been made a scapegoat for problems beyond his control and I fear the same is in Neeld's destiny.

This is the problem with your postings and mindset in general, Jackie. Fear. You just exude it.

I really fail to see what Sheedy would have done with the wreck of a list provided in 2008 other than roll in a couple of rubbish recycled players a'la Aaron Henneman. Maybe we'd have been a bit better the next year but you'd be on the gear to think that our list in '09 was anything but bottom four no matter who the coach was.

Then it's down to drafting and we all know how good we are at that.

At least somebody is losing games by a greater margin than us.....Thanks North... 115pts.

This is the problem with your postings and mindset in general, Jackie. Fear. You just exude it.

Thanks for bringing it up. I used to be a benign up beat trusting sort of fan up until a couple of years ago, then things started to smell. I think it is a genuine time to fear for the future of this club and not just the coach.

I really fail to see what Sheedy would have done with the wreck of a list provided in 2008 other than roll in a couple of rubbish recycled players a'la Aaron Henneman. Maybe we'd have been a bit better the next year but you'd be on the gear to think that our list in '09 was anything but bottom four no matter who the coach was.

Then it's down to drafting and we all know how good we are at that.

Point taken. But it was the prrfect time for an experienced coach. It is all sliding doors i know. But i shall always wonder what if. Our list is obviously lacking mental discipline right now, something kevin wouldn't have copped.

I am a Bailey fan but he was so raw...so is Neeld!!

If i had 50 cents for the amount of times people ask me," whats goin on down there", when its revealed i am a Melboune supporter, id have $972.50 by now!

I have two stock standard answers for them depending on what mood im in.

1. Its the senior players not pulling their weight...the likes of Sylvia, Moloney and Davey.

2 We are just not good enough

Easy DeeZee just say no.2 until you reach $5000

By then we might be a bit better and they will stop asking

Thanks for bringing it up. I used to be a benign up beat trusting sort of fan up until a couple of years ago, then things started to smell. I think it is a genuine time to fear for the future of this club and not just the coach.

What will your fear achieve?

Hardwick came in and changed the culture, line up and recruited players who have been an asset to this years success at Richmond. Going from recent events and the way we have been traveling with our senior players over the years I think its the only avenue we now have left to address.

Senior players make a statement to the younger guys. Whether that would be in the football world or any other working department. You come into an office, your fresh young and you witness the way in which your fellow colleagues who are veterans go about their work. If they are lazy, ill-minded and care more about themselves than the company - that has a domino effect on all the younger and newer employees coming in. I know for sure if I can get away with doing no work evidently shown by others not working I wouldn't do work.

It's not just the senior players down at the club who are in strife, from what I know there are a few players who have questioned Mark Neelds experience and game plan and have been completely shunned by the club this year and consequently have had injuries labelled for the reasoning of them not playing.

It's a negative culture at the moment which must be changed at seasons end.

Hallelujah.

Bailey was [censored], we should've gone with Sheedy. Accept it and move on.

DR. You can't give the 'perpetual culture trophy' to Bailey, because he wasn't there long enough to claim it as his own.

It's been an inbred thing at the MCG-MFC for decades.

Pretty sure he thought loading up on draft picks was the best way to go towards building a premiership list...

It was & is, but you still have to engender some mongrel into them from the leaders who have inbuilt schitt in them. Thats the hand me down we lack.