If sanity means no MFC, then I am happy being insane.

What did Oscar Wilde say about 'bitter trials?'

We seem to be stuck in mud at the moment but we will find our way out, clean ourselves off, and fight like hell to stay out of it.

Not long ago I would have been at the front of the barricade with you.

But this bloody club has almost worn me out.

My enthusiasm is waning.

If people think legal action is a tough, or effective, way of dealing with this, they have not spent much time with lawyers or courts. Demetriou's repeated suggestions that Neeld and the MFC take legal action is nothing more than his own vengeful view of Thomas.

Not long ago I would have been at the front of the barricade with you.

But this bloody club has almost worn me out.

My enthusiasm is waning.

I'm not at a barricade, i'm in the mud struggling.

But I will continue to struggle not because I am assured that we will make our way out, but because a way out exists.

This club doesn't owe me much, but it owes itself a great deal.

I put this in another thread but it is best put here:

I just think, and this can be considered ill-considered, that if we drop Davey it will look like we are saying "You are right, AFL. Sorry, Mr.Mifsud. Sorry our player gave you false information to run away to the press and the AFL Executive with."

It is galling.

I want us to have a meeting with Mifsud, Demetriou, Thomas, Neeld and Schwab and, assuming Davey is righteous, walk in at the start and say "Grant - we are suing you, Jason - we want you to resign, and Andrew - accept the resignation, offer us an unreserved apology, and we might accept it."

What does the MFC stand for, Andrew?

You're about to effing find out.

I'm not at a barricade, i'm in the mud struggling.

But I will continue to struggle not because I am assured that we will make our way out, but because a way out exists.

This club doesn't owe me much, but it owes itself a great deal.

I put this in another thread but it is best put here:

I just think, and this can be considered ill-considered, that if we drop Davey it will look like we are saying "You are right, AFL. Sorry, Mr.Mifsud. Sorry our player gave you false information to run away to the press and the AFL Executive with."

It is galling.

I want us to have a meeting with Mifsud, Demetriou, Thomas, Neeld and Schwab and, assuming Davey is righteous, walk in at the start and say "Grant - we are suing you, Jason - we want you to resign, and Andrew - accept the resignation, offer us an unreserved apology, and we might accept it."

What does the MFC stand for, Andrew?

You're about to effing find out.

Once again you have my vote

Whats the bet he is "educated" or "Counciled" on the error of what he said or has done.

Watch the double standards fly on this one.

Ka-ching!

Ka-ching!

Pity I cannot spell counselled McQueen

There are some facts to this issue and some unproven allegations.

On the facts as they stand, I find galling the Demetriou could support Mifsud in any way shape or form. - Demetriou has stated that Mifsud does not leak to the media -WTF ?

Facts -

1/ a private conversation was had between someone and Mifsud in his official AFL capacity

2/ He has revealed details of this conversation to a party outside the issue - a breach of confidentiality - sackable offence right there

3/ The person Mifsud breached the confidentiality to is a media commentator - sackable offence number two

Whether the person lied,didnt lie, change his story, was misunderstood is immaterial. Mifsud has taken an official conversation and revealed it a party outside the AFL - a media commentator no less.

These are facts and the facts are indefensible.

As to who said what to Misfud - I have not the vaguest idea and will not condemn on speculation. The 'reports" have said a senior MFC indigenous player and we only have one of those. But we are relying on journalists and media commentators say so that Aaron Davey has said anything so this is allegations not fact.

My only issue is my faith took a massive hit on believing a press conference from a kid in March last year and it turned out to be hokum. Unfortunately that is the way I am built so once again, in the absense of any proof I will believe the statements Aaron has made.

On a different note - I separate this from the playing issue and I walked out of the G on Saturday convinced he should be the first player from the seniors named at Casey this week and what has transpired over the last 24 hours does not change my view.

Edited April 3, 201213 yr by nutbean

The club needs to make a strong statement today, joint press conference with Neeld, Davey and Grimes time for complete honesty if it wasn't Davey tell the world who it was it will come out regardless, it will be better coming from the club. If it was Davey he should disclose what he said.

On the AFL, I can't believe the AFL is advising the MFC to go after Grant Thomas, private conversation or not this was started by an an employee of the AFL discussing this with a friend that works in the Media. We do need to make a stand against Grant and 9msn the media can not continue to report fiction that causes harm to individuals and clubs.

This all started with a comment attributed to Matt Rendell. He admitted his involvement and got the sack. Davey denies the comments allegedly attributed to him and still has his job. Who would be the most believable character out of these two?

Pity I cannot spell counselled McQueen

It's pronounced the same way OD so who cares.

The AFL are as weak as PI55.

Exactly my point.

IF MFC takes this lying down, the brand is trashed. A serendipitous opportunity to make a very big statement. Sure a distraction, but definitely a defining moment.

It's time to show that we do indeed still have a spine, & that spine does allow us to stand up vertically.

We are not a invertebrate species. Time to show the world, our Off field dept can & will Fly the Flag.

There are some facts to this issue and some unproven allegations.

On the facts as they stand, I find galling the Demetriou could support Mifsud in any way shape or form. - Demetriou has stated that Mifsud does not leak to the media -WTF ?

Facts -

1/ a private conversation was had between someone and Mifsud in his official AFL capacity

2/ He has revealed details of this conversation to a party outside the issue - a breach of confidentiality - sackable offence right there

3/ The person Mifsud breached the confidentiality to is a journalist - sackable offence number two

These are facts and the facts are indefensible.

As to who said what to Misfud - I have not the vaguest idea and will not condemn on speculation. The 'reports" have said a senior MFC indigenous player and we only have one of those. But we are relying on reports so that Aaron Davey has said anything is allegations not fact.

My only issue is my faith took a massive hit on believing a press conference from a kid in March last year and it turned out to be hokum. Unfortunately that is the way I am built so once again, in the absense of any proof I will believe the statements Aaron has made.

On a different note - I separate this from the playing issue and I walked out of the G on Saturday convinced he should be the first player from the seniors named at Casey this week and what has transpired over the last 24 hours does not change my view.

I have a large objection to your comment nutbean.

He is not a journalist, they check there stories eg. Caroline Wilson.

At the very best he is a commentator.

That is the problem with the media today it is full of commentators with little if any training.

IMO generally the Journalists do a good job, it is all these x footballers pretending to be something they are not that cause most of the problems.

What are the facts?All i know

is somene is lying either Mifsud or the MFC source

When that fact is established then the lier should be sacked and condemned. The only fact is that Demetriou and theAFL look like the tools the always have been

What a bunch of self interested a..e covers they are

MFC and Neeld should sue!

IMO the problem here is that players have become commodities with a value, & ideally you don't want to de value your commodities.

People.... dont forget the the AFL's creed. Do as we say, not as we do !!

It may well be called Australian Rules Football but the rules dont apply to the AFL

This all started with a comment attributed to Matt Rendell. He admitted his involvement and got the sack. Davey denies the comments allegedly attributed to him and still has his job. Who would be the most believable character out of these two?

It is not that simple

People.... dont forget the the AFL's creed. Do as we say, not as we do !!

It may well be called Australian Rules Football but the rules dont apply to the AFL

Are we that surprised we all know what the second language of the AFL is!

I just think, and this can be considered ill-considered, that if we drop Davey it will look like we are saying "You are right, AFL. Sorry, Mr.Mifsud. Sorry our player gave you false information to run away to the press and the AFL Executive with."

My only issue is this. The club needs to stand strong and do what is right in all things and that includes dropping players who do not perform. If we drop Davey, Green and say Tynan( please dont drop him), the first journalist who asks if we dropped Davey because of "what he has said" - I would show contempt for the question by replying.

"we have narrowed the culprit down to 8 - the 3 we are dropping and 5 more at Casey we wont be promoting. We will keep dropping players from the seniors and not promoting players from Casey until the malcontent owns up"

One could almost be forgiven for thinking the AFL doesnt really like this NEW "MFC" as much as the old one. . That weak bag of jelly that once masqueraded as a club now has people who stand for something and at the same time wont stand for any more nonsense eminating from Vlads dark Tower.

Id be very surprised if Vlad would want to lose this little fraccas !!

I have a large objection to your comment nutbean.

He is not a journalist, they check there stories eg. Caroline Wilson.

Quoting Caroline Wilson.

"His(Davey) meetings with MIfsud over the summer are reported to have conveyed some disenchantment with the new coaching and training regime."

Edited April 3, 201213 yr by Jackie

The MFC must go to pains to continue to clarify that there is none and will be no corelation between events surrounding Davey On the field and events OFF the field.

Teams are selected on the basis of form ( and fit ) ...and this only

Quoting Caroline Wilson.

"His(Davey) meetings with MIfsud over the summer are reported to have conveyed some disenchantment with the new coaching and training regime."

She also said she rang Neeld to check the story, that is what journalists do and then did not go to print.

Not go off half cocked because a mate feeds you a line because he thinks he owes you.

I have a large objection to your comment nutbean.

He is not a journalist, they check there stories eg. Caroline Wilson.

At the very best he is a commentator.

That is the problem with the media today it is full of commentators with little if any training.

IMO generally the Journalists do a good job, it is all these x footballers pretending to be something they are not that cause most of the problems.

I will edit my comments as your are correct. My issue is not only did Mifsud release details of a private conversation, he released it to a highly inappropriate person - a person who has the power ( and used it ) to disseminate any information he sees fit.

Edited April 3, 201213 yr by nutbean

I don't think he will be selected. His form doesn't warrant selection and it's clear now that he's distracted by other issues.

He needs to find form at Casey and that's where I think he should be playing this weekend, if at all.

I think your right Jack. But who is ready to come up and take his role?

Would it be Bennell, or could Couch do it?

I don't want to see Petterd or tapscott till the Richmond game, after their lacking Prep.

club to make a statement at 9:30 according to 3AW

Hands up those who believe there is indeed a bunch of players at Melbourne who got one hell of a rude shock when Mark came to town. And that some of these same said bunch got their noses well and truly out of place.

Ive got my hand in the air

Hands up any who suspect Aaron was /is amongst them....

Mines still up

I suspect Daveys' not entirely a happy lad. Such is life