Feel free to PM me on this, it's confusing. Leave the Sylvia discussion for the thread.

I said nothing of the 'facts'. My comment was effectively a swipe at what seems in your stance to be a cavalier disregard for player discipline and an inability to comprehend - as CS seems unable to do - that nightclubs + booze + [censored] mates + cars = trouble.

Your boys will be boys line of thought is archaic, John Elliot type stuff.

When did a mates place become a nightclub yoda?

When did a mates place become a nightclub yoda?

Remove that word from the equation if you like. It doesn't dilute the point I made one iota.

I don't get the Sylvia apologist's take on this. What is it about the dumbness of the cocktail of booze and young blokes getting in a vehicle with each other that's so hard to understand?

Baffling.

Edited November 3, 201113 yr by Yoda

Remove that word from the equation if you like. It doesn't dilute the point I made.

Look, that's easy to do and I did know the point you were making

But, I'm getting annoyed at how many posters on the hang-em-high side are a bit loose with the truth or facts ("out on the turps", "dangerous driving", "leaving the scene of an accident", "criminal offense" "nightclub" etc etc)

There's no need to gild the facts in this case. He was an idiot but lets not blow this incident into a capital offense by the loose use of terminology and speculation

end of sermon (I hope)

DC..cant let that slide to far.. its a given that he was out that night drinking. Had he not been he would have been quite capable of driving his own bloody car.

Out on the turps = having a drink (or 5 )

Now given the issues that hes been remonstrated for do you really want to argue he wasnt ?

DC..cant let that slide to far.. its a given that he was out that night drinking. Had he not been he would have been quite capable of driving his own bloody car.

Out on the turps = having a drink (or 5 )

Now given the issues that hes been remonstrated for do you really want to argue he wasnt ?

now now BB you knew my point was that he was not "out" in public as was inferred

he did do 2 things "right" [1] did his drinking at home [2] didn't drive his car himself

nuff said anyway

Is it a coincedence that the Melbourne pkayers in the IR squad could be viewed as possible MFC captains or at least leadership? Ever asked yourselves why CS BG DF and JT wre in the team to begin with. My guess is MFC pushed for these guys to play as part of a leadership trainning experience given our apparent lack of leadership skills. If this were the case and it was some what of a test it would be fair to say that Col stuffed up big time. Seriously. i know its a second rate squad but what a chance to learn and gain respect from your peers. ......?

Is it a coincedence that the Melbourne pkayers in the IR squad could be viewed as possible MFC captains or at least leadership? Ever asked yourselves why CS BG DF and JT wre in the team to begin with. My guess is MFC pushed for these guys to play as part of a leadership trainning experience given our apparent lack of leadership skills. If this were the case and it was some what of a test it would be fair to say that Col stuffed up big time. Seriously. i know its a second rate squad but what a chance to learn and gain respect from your peers. ......?

I think that is a long bow.

Players were asked, the keen ones put their hand up - end of story.

I highly doubt we pushed the boys to get involved, it is not the kind of thing I would want 4 important players to do while a new coach is starting up.

Is it a coincedence that the Melbourne pkayers in the IR squad could be viewed as possible MFC captains or at least leadership? Ever asked yourselves why CS BG DF and JT wre in the team to begin with. My guess is MFC pushed for these guys to play as part of a leadership trainning experience given our apparent lack of leadership skills. If this were the case and it was some what of a test it would be fair to say that Col stuffed up big time. Seriously. i know its a second rate squad but what a chance to learn and gain respect from your peers. ......?

Its coincidence.

The IR is an end of season jolly.

Nothing on leadership there.

I don't understand how anyone has an issue with Sylvia leaving the scene.

He didn't break the law himself and had no real obligation to stay.

Obviously the smart and responsible thing to do was to stay, but to me it appears Colin was trying to do the right thing in the circumstances but unfortunately he's just not the smartest bloke and made the wrong decision.

I honestly think he would've thought "Crap! I can't be seen here! It'll bring a negative media focus onto the club - the best thing I could do, seeing as I have no real obligation to stay, is to leave before cameras arrive so the media don't know I was involved."

Now obviously there's also a large portion of "saving his own skin" in that, but I think the intentions were there, but he's really just not that sharp a bloke.

Clearly the prudent thing to do is to own up to it, immediately contact the club, stick around, be open and honest to the police and to the media, and then face the consequences like a man.

Unfortunately for Colin, I think he might need to borrow a dictionary for the word "prudent".

*this post obviously ignores all the other issues associated with the unprofessionalism of being out drinking the night before training with the Australian. Fwiw I support the punishment handed out to Colin and think it sufficient.

I don't understand how anyone has an issue with Sylvia leaving the scene.

*this post obviously ignores all the other issues associated with the unprofessionalism of being out drinking the night before training with the Australian. Fwiw I support the punishment handed out to Colin and think it sufficient.

That's a big caveat.

He was unprofessional and it is something that he has to grow out of.

All the other stuff is him being an idiot and that's fine.

Yep, my post was simply concerned with all the criticism of him leaving the scene.

I guess my point is that it is not the real issue here.

It's secondary and due to his lack of intelligence more than anything more sinister.

He didn't break the law himself and had no real obligation to stay.

Obviously the smart and responsible thing to do was to stay, but to me it appears Colin was trying to do the right thing in the circumstances but unfortunately he's just not the smartest bloke and made the wrong decision.

I honestly think he would've thought "Crap! I can't be seen here! It'll bring a negative media focus onto the club - the best thing I could do, seeing as I have no real obligation to stay, is to leave before cameras arrive so the media don't know I was involved."

How is that any more plausible than some other excluse, like that he panicked and didn't want to get in trouble?

I don't see any evidence that Sylvia was thinking of the Club at the time the incident occurred. If he had a track record of looking after Melbourne's image then I might buy it, or if he did something at the time that indicated he was thinking about the Club's image, sure. However, the fact that Melbourne brought up - in their statement on his punishment - the fact that he didn't get in touch with the Club in a timely manner indicates he wasn't.