I wish the new season would start so the AFL sports writers could report on news worthy events

Precious? You lot really confuse me sometimes.

You cry when an outsider has a pot shot at us, yet when one of our own transgress it's just water off a ducks back, isn't it?

A minor reflection on our club still damages. I want more from us then what is expected out of St Kilda, Carlton etc.

If you want to be ignorant that's your prerogative. I have stated how I feel on the issue and I'll leave it at that.

they must've hit the pole hard as seemingly the car bounced into a Mini car yard and landed on the bonnet of a $70,00 Mini and wrecked it!!!

p.s. does anbody else think $70,000 is a bit steep for a Mini???

Precious? You lot really confuse me sometimes.

You cry when an outsider has a pot shot at us, yet when one of our own transgress it's just water off a ducks back, isn't it?

A minor reflection on our club still damages. I want more from us then what is expected out of St Kilda, Carlton etc.

If you want to be ignorant that's your prerogative. I have stated how I feel on the issue and I'll leave it at that.

I don't buy that this reflects badly on the footy club. What's the brand damage to the MFC? I put it to you that there is none.

An individual employee, in their private time, is involved in an incident.

It may reflect on Colin, but I don't buy that it reflects on the MFC.

Sloonie, stop being so precious. Colin went out with friends, he did not drink or drive.

The reflection on the club is minor

From the HUN: "Sources said he had spent the night enjoying drinks and watching television with the friend." On what do you base your knowledge that he did not drink?

Sloonie, stop being so precious. Colin went out with friends, he did not drink or drive.

The reflection on the club is minor

He certainly did drink otherwise he would have been driving...

It was his BMW.

Oh, well done Colin - you didn't drink and drive!!

Now if we can just get you to not commit to things you don't care about and not leave the scene where your car damages property - you'll be coming along nicely!

Hey Sloonie I understand your confusion. My view is different people have different perspectives on these kinds of issues which can be entwined and cause us all confusion.

1. The Circus - From the furthest out this incident is reported in the media as irresponsible and us fans feel other supporters mocking us (as we would mock other clubs fans if the situation was reversed) and worry it might put some prospective fans off. My view on this is that the media generally slant things to the negative because this allows then to roll out an endless stream of editorials (judgements), as many have done here.

2. The Club - From the Club perspective incidents like this can be irrelevant (see Hawks win flag with Buddy or Eagles win flag with Benny) or detrimental (see Saints with Milne, what's her name, etc...). and us fans fear that these incidents are a sign of malase and ill discipline. My view on this is that footy clubs are institutions for young men and as such they have various internal methods to help keep their young men within a defined range of social behaviour, i.e. Todd Viney singles Sylvia out for a special training session or punishes the whole group to establish the behaviour... this is club business and I have no doubt the MFC is on top of this. This is private club business and should rarely be made public. I also think that a level of vibrancy in a group of young men is essential to have them bond and commit to the effort and dedication required to win a flag, and that some times these group bonds are formed with the assistance of alcohol..

3. The Individual - There are many reason why someone might get hammered, for example their girlfriend just dumped them, they are celebrating, what ever... Its not my business to judge and none of us know Colin well enough to do anything but gossip about him. Sometimes growing up can be hard.

Anyway, Bring on Pre-season and a big year from Colin. The torch is well and truely on him this year.

Edited October 24, 201113 yr by PaulRB

Sanctimonious tripe..... and mindless defence..... the whole discussion is an indicator of the void that the end of the season leaves in our lives.... and btw........ Anyone who quotes any newspaper in the 2000's as a fact base to support any argument, under any circumstances, wants their head read....

Those who love him leap in to defend, those who don't see it is as a sign of moral turpitude....

Me?.....I'll be interested to see what Sylvia says, whether the club requires an dressed up faux hand-wringing exercise a la Beamer.

From the HUN: "Sources said he had spent the night enjoying drinks and watching television with the friend." On what do you base your knowledge that he did not drink?

Hardtack, I think WA might have meant 'drink & drive' instead of 'drink or drive'

Sanctimonious tripe..... and mindless defence..... the whole discussion is an indicator of the void that the end of the season leaves in our lives.... and btw........ Anyone who quotes any newspaper in the 2000's as a fact base to support any argument, under any circumstances, wants their head read....

Those who love him leap in to defend, those who don't see it is as a sign of moral turpitude....

Me?.....I'll be interested to see what Sylvia says, whether the club requires an dressed up faux hand-wringing exercise a la Beamer.

PR is required BS.

Deal with it.

From the HUN: "Sources said he had spent the night enjoying drinks and watching television with the friend." On what do you base your knowledge that he did not drink?

Sources? The usual way newspapers get around it when they have no facts.

We don't know for sure if Colin was drinking, we don't know if the driver was drinking, but we can make some wild guesses I suppose.

Hardtack, I think WA might have meant 'drink & drive' instead of 'drink or drive'

Yes, and what a low bar Colin has to reach now...

"You went out drinking before IR training and couldn't drive your own car home and you left the scene after your car damaged property?"

"But you weren't driving!!"

"Who's a good boy?!"

"That's right, Colin is a good boy!"

He certainly did drink otherwise he would have been driving...

It was his BMW.

Oh, well done Colin - you didn't drink and drive!!

Now if we can just get you to not commit to things you don't care about and not leave the scene where your car damages property - you'll be coming along nicely!

Why do you say that he clearly was drinking? I don't drink at all but there are times when I can't be bothered driving and I will get my son to drive or my wife to drive. If Colin has a BMW the driver may have asked if he could have a drive, that happens when you have a good car.

Íf the driver was over .05 then Colin's insurer won't pay the repair costs of his vehicle nor will they pay the cost of replacing the pole or the damage to the mini that was in the car yard, so there will be a lesson for him there; if that's the case.

Yeah, I often let my friends drive my car when I'm sober... Get your head out of the sand!

I'm peeved that some people consider those that judge this as serious are being viewed as sanctimonious. So I want and expect a high level of conformity from our players- sue me! Let's see where turning a blind eye to these matters gets us.

Yes, and what a low bar Colin has to reach now...

"You went out drinking before IR training and couldn't drive your own car home and you left the scene after your car damaged property?"

"But you weren't driving!!"

"Who's a good boy?!"

"That's right, Colin is a good boy!"

Calm down rpfc. Being possibly over .05 the next morning is not necessarily being drunk or an indication of excessive drinking the night before, and therefore not driving is a reasonable sensible precaution.

We don't know how much he drunk. We don't know whether he had a sleep at his mates place, we don't know how long he hung around after the accident.

We do know his mate can't drive, we do know the press is so short of stories they would jump at anything and we do know Col is not the sharpest tool in the drawer..

But....you seem to know all the facts. I'd prefer to wait until more facts are available and I certainly wouldn't believe the first flush in the Hun.

Yeah, I often let my friends drive my car when I'm sober... Get your head out of the sand!

I'm peeved that some people consider those that judge this as serious are being viewed as sanctimonious. So I want and expect a high level of conformity from our players- sue me! Let's see where turning a blind eye to these matters gets us.

Yeah, I often let my friends drive my car when I'm sober... Get your head out of the sand!

I'm peeved that some people consider those that judge this as serious are being viewed as sanctimonious. So I want and expect a high level of conformity from our players- sue me! Let's see where turning a blind eye to these matters gets us.

Fortunately not everyon's you. As I said I let others drive my car and my previous cars whenevr they want because I simply don't like driving.

I wouldn't call you sanctimonious, oh hang on yes I would.

BTW Your registration doesn't cover third party property damage it cover bodily injury.

Calm down rpfc. Being possibly over .05 the next morning is not necessarily being drunk or an indication of excessive drinking the night before, and therefore not driving is a reasonable sensible precaution.

We don't know how much he drunk. We don't know whether he had a sleep at his mates place, we don't know how long he hung around after the accident.

We do know his mate can't drive, we do know the press is so short of stories they would jump at anything and we do know Col is not the sharpest tool in the drawer..

But....you seem to know all the facts. I'd prefer to wait until more facts are available and I certainly wouldn't believe the first flush in the Hun.

The facts are he couldn't drive his own car home because he was drinking the night before, and got kicked off the IR team for poor professionalism.

And I agree that these are minor indiscretions.

What I have a problem with are those that are simply excusing his behaviour entirely.

He's on his break. The IR means nothing. He wasn't driving home - he did the right thing. Why should he stick around for the police?

Call him an idiot and move on (that's all he is), but don't give him excuses.

Be interested in how Mark Neeld approaches a number of players now, namely: Col, Aaron, Brad, Cale to mention a few of the obvious ones.

What would you say (or do) to Colin if you were his coach?

Lets dismiss everything except for what we do know. He wasnt driving the car that was involved in an accident and both the driver and Sylvia left the scene. No law broken by Col but prima facie evidence of him being a goose. One must suspect if everything was kosher except the bad luck of having an accident he wouldnt have felt compelled to leave the scene.

So a quick straw poll ( and there will be a follow up question for all those who answer yes !) - Who has been involved in the sort of accident that has caused major damage ( like a power pole being knocked out) and has had both the passenger and the driver leave the scene ?

Be interested in how Mark Neeld approaches a number of players now, namely: Col, Aaron, Brad, Cale to mention a few of the obvious ones.

What would you say (or do) to Colin if you were his coach?

"You still have a clean slate, but you better have your arse up and your head down because I am looking to make an example of someone."

Personally, i am just very glad Colin isn't dead or permanently injured.

The rest of this Topic is way over the top....Get a Grip.

Colin has not damaged the MFC one bit.

Me?.....I'll be interested to see what Sylvia says, whether the club requires an dressed up faux hand-wringing exercise a la Beamer.

PR is required BS.

Deal with it.

Are you saying you supported that debacle? think it made a difference? set us up for a great year didn't it....

That wasn't PR .... it was pathetic... making your vice captain "confess" to a binge drinking problem

....and in that case at least Moloney admitted he was out drinking hard in season....but the rumour mill (subsequently unfounded) was all around him urinating in a bar

Compared with this story...

The facts are he couldn't drive his own car home because he was drinking the night before, and got kicked off the IR team for poor professionalism.

You don't know that that he 'couldn't' drive his own car.

He could well have been under .05 but he was unsure, so he decided the safe option was to not drive. I'm sure players are instructed this way.

If you had 4 or 5 beers on Sat night over say 4 hours and a meal, would you be confident that you would be under .05 at 6am on Sun? I suggest you couldn't be sure and the recommended safe option would be to not take the chance.

Anyway this all conjecture, just hold your horses until you know a few facts.

And fortunately for me and many others on this site your narrow-minded views are inconsequential.

I'm not going to be drawn into another long winded argument with someone who is as arrogant and stubborn as you are. Your content need to get the last word in shows your maturity level.

As you would say- end of story.

That's sad.