The No T$ No B$ Thread

[H_T 3,047]

Wow, that is some seriously expensive roast pig. Who can afford that these days? Nah! better not mention any names.

It is expensive. But it is one of the Press Club restaurants, so it is to be expected. What did you expect from a Master Chef in George ? All you can eat for $30 ?

Brayshaw reckons the Fat Cats can afford it !

[Jaded No More 68,920]

Did you get the free desserts, what were they?

Sure did!

We actually ended up ordering nearly everything on the sampling/sharing menu, and it wasn't expensive at all (we did not have the pig thank you), and the atmosphere was great even though it was extremely busy.

Probably one of my recent favourites, along with New Market in St Kilda which is more pricey but just as delicious (great cocktails too!)

[Redleg 40,926]

Sure did!

We actually ended up ordering nearly everything on the sampling/sharing menu, and it wasn't expensive at all (we did not have the pig thank you), and the atmosphere was great even though it was extremely busy.

Probably one of my recent favourites, along with New Market in St Kilda which is more pricey but just as delicious (great cocktails too!)

Glad you had a great time and a break from reading or posting on that other thread.

[H_T 3,047]

Sure did!

We actually ended up ordering nearly everything on the sampling/sharing menu, and it wasn't expensive at all (we did not have the pig thank you), and the atmosphere was great even though it was extremely busy.

And the service ?

[Redleg 40,926]

Not sure how much Garry can achieve in his short time at the MFC, but one thing we are getting is a very experienced media performer who can answer questions directly and succintly. He is impressive in that regard and hopefully can get something positive achieved at the club.

[Redleg 40,926]

The personal abuse has kicked in again on that other thread. It is actually remarkable that this topic that we don't discuss on here has taken up so much of people's lives.

Getting back to more interesting matters, I hope Sylvia is recontracted soon and that we keep Morton. I just see a big upside for Cale who has clearly had a frustrating couple of seasons.

[daisycutter 29,616]

The personal abuse has kicked in again on that other thread. It is actually remarkable that this topic that we don't discuss on here has taken up so much of people's lives.

Getting back to more interesting matters, I hope Sylvia is recontracted soon and that we keep Morton. I just see a big upside for Cale who has clearly had a frustrating couple of seasons.

Yes I hope Col re-signs soon

With Cale, I'm still sitting on the fence. Maybe he'll show something Sunday or the following weeks

[rpfc 28,433]

With Cale, I'm still sitting on the fence. Maybe he'll show something Sunday or the following weeks

Yeah, I was a big rap for him and can still see what he 'could' become but this year hasn't been great...

Throw him in the middle and see how he goes, I want to see him wear a few tackles.

[PaulRB 6,363]

You can make anything you like of stats but here is an interesting one.

how many games have we lost by 9+ goals over the last 4 year. Below is the result from my investigation

2008 7

2009 6

2010 2

2011 7 with 4 games to go.

So this year we are equal to our bottom out year and we still have 4 games to go, sunday could easily add another.

looks stark against last year.

What it clearly says to me is that we have gone backwards in a big way.

To have as bad a year as 2008 is amazing.

Any thoughts?

You are right about stats showing anything...

An alternate view

Games won by 9+ goals and total games won

Years - 9+ goal wins - total wins

2008 - 0 - 3 wins

2009 - 1 - 4 wins

2010 - 2 - 8.5 wins

2011 - 3+ - 7.5+ (10.5 likely) wins

Looks like the glass may be half full...

Go Dees

[daisycutter 29,616]

Yeah, I was a big rap for him and can still see what he 'could' become but this year hasn't been great...

Throw him in the middle and see how he goes, I want to see him wear a few tackles.

Snuck over the fence did you rpfc?

[H_T 3,047]

Yes I hope Col re-signs soon

With Cale, I'm still sitting on the fence. Maybe he'll show something Sunday or the following weeks

Like you and others I hope he shows something. But I've been hoping for some time and my patience is admittedly wearing thin. Some instances this season and before have been unacceptable. I have referred to them in the past as non negotiables. I don't like the hesitation, I don't like second guessing or on far more than one occassion the decision making on Morton's behalf.

I understand he has played 60 games, I understand his height, scope for maturity, etc, I understand the interruption through injury late in the pre-season, but all said and done I haven't seen progress from him in 2011. It's been one of my biggest disappointments for 2011.

I still hold hope, although it remains only a glimmer. I'd love to see him become the player we wanted.

There is still time..

[rpfc 28,433]

Snuck over the fence did you rpfc?

I keep getting pulled back into the scrum...

I have nothing to say and it has degenerated back to the 'lying-gate' issue (to throw another 'gate' around) of which I feel compelled to respond to for some reason...(ego, probably)

But I am weaning myself off of it...

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

The personal abuse has kicked in again on that other thread. It is actually remarkable that this topic that we don't discuss on here has taken up so much of people's lives.

Getting back to more interesting matters, I hope Sylvia is recontracted soon and that we keep Morton. I just see a big upside for Cale who has clearly had a frustrating couple of seasons.

Without wanting to be unduly controversial on this thread, Cale has been almost as frustrating for many of us supporters as the subject of that other thread (but obviously for entirely different reasons). I hope he plays a blinder on Sunday, and starts to cement a permanent spot in our best 22 for 2012 and beyond.

Edit: word duplication.

Edited August 12, 2011 by Deeoldfart

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

Yeah, I was a big rap for him and can still see what he 'could' become but this year hasn't been great...

Throw him in the middle and see how he goes, I want to see him wear a few tackles.

I'm hoping a new coach might have a positive influence. Hopefully not a forlorn hope.

[H_T 3,047]

I'm hoping a new coach might have a positive influence. Hopefully not a forlorn hope.

That's probably the glimmer of hope I have. A new focus, instilling and enhancing his strengths, whilst improving the attributes that need addressing. Thanks for chiming in with that. That said, it still has to come from within and knuckling down.

[Redleg 40,926]

That's probably the glimmer of hope I have. A new focus, instilling and enhancing his strengths, whilst improving the attributes that need addressing. Thanks for chiming in with that. That said, it still has to come from within and knuckling down.

I agree that a new Coach might be part of the answer. I just wonder if he needs a bit of love from the club. Some players go into their shell and lose confidence and feel that they are not part of the team going forwards and their game falls apart. I just get the feeling that Cale might fit into that category. A few good games to finish off the year, a new coach and new game plan and an uninterrupted pre season might be the making of Cale.

[PaulRB 6,363]

Looks like this year is a transition year or course correction in three parts.

1. Older leaders struggle + Coach struggles and is sacked.

2. New generation of leaders emerge (Watts & Trengove) + new coach is appointed

3. Club emerges stronger than ever in 2012.

Perhaps this was a year we were always going to have, just happened earlier (and was uglier) than we thought it would be...

Phoenix like from here ;-))

Go Dees

[H_T 3,047]

Looks like this year is a transition year or course correction in three parts.

1. Older leaders struggle + Coach struggles and is sacked.

2. New generation of leaders emerge (Watts & Trengove) + new coach is appointed

3. Club emerges stronger than ever in 2012.

Perhaps this was a year we were always going to have, just happened earlier (and was uglier) than we thought it would be...

Phoenix like from here ;-))

Go Dees

A few here, including moi, were predicting a turbulent season just prior to commencement. IIRC old55 was definitely one that comes to mind.

The younger list, pre-season form and injuries to Frawley, Morton and another who escapes me for now, along with the loss of experience in Junior and Bruce were massive factors for this reasoning.

I guess it's subjective as to how turbulent it would be, but a younger inexperienced list can produce inconsistent results.

[old55 23,590]

IIRC old55 was definitely one that comes to mind.

Khumbu ice field - often causes problems and can claim a victim or two.

[rpfc 28,433]

Looks like this year is a transition year or course correction in three parts.

1. Older leaders struggle + Coach struggles and is sacked.

2. New generation of leaders emerge (Watts & Trengove) + new coach is appointed

3. Club emerges stronger than ever in 2012.

Perhaps this was a year we were always going to have, just happened earlier (and was uglier) than we thought it would be...

Phoenix like from here ;-))

Go Dees

Yeah, I have a similar sentiment.

The issues have been laid bare.

We can fix them before they become the difference between winning a flag and not...

Possibly like the Saints? Just throwing that out there...

[H_T 3,047]

Khumbu ice field - often causes problems and can claim a victim or two.

Ouch.

Let us pray we don't have to reach for the bag in 2012.

[Redleg 40,926]

Ouch.

Let us pray we don't have to reach for the bag in 2012.

What!!!!!!!

[H_T 3,047]

What!!!!!!!

Sick bag Redleg...(s.p.e.w.)

You know..."turbulence"

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

I agree that a new Coach might be part of the answer. I just wonder if he needs a bit of love from the club. Some players go into their shell and lose confidence and feel that they are not part of the team going forwards and their game falls apart. I just get the feeling that Cale might fit into that category. A few good games to finish off the year, a new coach and new game plan and an uninterrupted pre season might be the making of Cale.

I totally agree that a bit of tlc might lead to a bit of much needed confidence, but if that's the case he will need to learn to bounce back quickly each time he gets knocked down. As we all know, the caper he has chosen for his career can be pretty brutal.

ps. I don't think the fact that Cale has been moved from pillar to post (and never really had a position he could claim as his own) has helped his confidence and apparent fragility.

[PaulRB 6,363]

I reckon the players have been given a timely reminder that they need to grow up. And soon.

Coaches play a part, but it's players that win flags.

As my daughter would say to a number of MFC players at the moment, "Suck it up Princess!"

And that message is bringing the best out of the new stars, Watts and Trengove. And it is this new attitude that will inspire others to stay and play for the MFC.

Go Dees

Edited August 12, 2011 by PaulRB