Tom Scully

[Rogue 585]

Hi,

We understand that there's considerable interest in Scully on-field and off-field, so we've decided to create a new thread to house Tom Scully discussion.

On Scully's contract situation, a brief reminder that the consistent line from player and Club has been as follows:

MELBOURNE young gun Tom Scully says Greater Western Sydney has not approached him or his management and that he wants to remain a Melbourne player.

The 19-year-old did not allay all Demons fans' fears, saying his management would hold off on contract talks until his current two-year deal ends at the end of this season.

But he rejected claims he had been offered $5 million over five years to join Greater Western Sydney

"Definitely haven't spoken to GWS and definitely haven't signed something."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/i-havent-spoken-to-gws-melbourne-star-tom-scully/story-e6frf9jf-1226015805893

Please keep the discussion civil and keep on-topic. Given that large discussion threads can get out of hand fairly easily, we'll be moderating the topic heavily if needed.

Thanks.

[Wolfmother 182]

And Tom's say on the issue:

His last press conference about the issue;

"I love the club, I love my teammates and I want to be part of the future going ahead at the Melbourne Football Club. I'm sure my teammates have full trust in me."

"There has been no approach, absolutely not. And I definitely haven't spoken to GWS and most certainly haven't signed anything, certainly not. If I did have an approach the club would be the first to know. I have been transparent with the club."

"I want to repay the club for showing faith in me. They have been very understanding and me and Dean (Bailey) have a great relationship," said Scully.

"I'm a contracted Melbourne player and I'm absolutely loving my time at the club. I want to get the best outcome for the Melbourne footy club.

"I have full confidence the club and my management will work through the contract in due course."

"I'd love to end my career and say I was a one-club player and I anticipate that will be the case,"

[Demonic Ascent 0]

Was watching the replay earlier and could only admire his opening quarter. Had 11 possessions and would have had a couple more if not for skill errors by team-mates and being benched for a decent stint (3 minutes) 7 minutes into the game. Regardless of what you think of his disposal he gets to where the footy is and his already massive tank allows him to keep the same pace right to the final siren. He may not end up being the guy who can bag 4-5 goals like a Judd but he will be one of the great playmakers of the competition and it is great we have others like Watts, Trengove & Jurrah for starters who will be able to finish off his hard work. Lyon has compared him to Judd but he actually reminds me of a fitter, silkier Diesel Williams. Will be great to see his career unfold in the red and blue over the next decade and hopefully he can snag a couple of cups along the way.

[Guest Gotzy15]

Well he reiterates that he hasn't been approached yet by GWS and that if he was the club would be the first to know.so if he's true to his word then there obviously hasn't been an offer made yet and when there is we will know immediately!where on earth are all these rumors coming from??where did David schwarz get his 98% crap from?who are these 'reliable' sources that people have inside info from that says he's already signed with GWS?I truly just find the whole issue terribly confusing and it's really hard to know who to believe..... On a side note why are the moderators closing down scully threads and censoring practically every second post??this is a forum which means ppl are entitled to express their opinions!I want to know what fellow supporters think!!I won't say any more as I'm just back on following my 2 week suspension which was more ridiculous than trengoves!

[Rogue 585]

On a side note why are the moderators closing down scully threads

We think having one thread for all Scully discussion is the best way not to have the board clogged with multiple threads on very similar Scully-related topics.

If you - or any other people - want to talk about moderation please start another thread and/or contact a moderator directly.

We'd like to keep this thread on-topic, so I'll remove further posts about moderation here (but feel free to raise them elsewhere).

Thanks.

[Striker475 696]

Hutchie nitpicked the Scully article in the Hun tonight. Yawn.

[AgRogers 7]

Biggest actual indicator I feel says he is going was watching the team song in the rooms on Sunday. A lot of passion around the group, and the song was ending when it got around to Tom and he looked very Dead Pan and uncomfortable, couldn't wait to break the circle and get away. Looked to me like a bloke who wanted to share the excitement of the group, but didn't want to let him self enjoy it or get hyped because he knows he is not sticking around to enjoy so much more of this in the coming years. Great to see the likes of Martin, McKenzie, Watts, Trengove, How, Nicholson etc. so excited with the win together. We just need to remember the talent we are building in our midfield, and the potential for our greatest side of the last 50 years.

If Tom decides to move on we shouldn't hold that against him. On the field the players all know they have to play their role in the team, and when it comes to negotiating their share of the salary cap that should be no different. If Tom wants to chase the big bucks up North best of Luck to him, but we need to restrain any offer to him to a level that will not put the greater team at risk. No one player is bigger than the awesome team we are building.

I really hope Tom sticks around and forms a core of a powerful Melbourne midfield going forward. If not though, I hope he is the professional we all know he works tirelessly to be and provides Melbourne with enough notice to negotiate the best mfc outcome from the move, plan it's list and recruiting going forwards. Just show us some respect on your way out mate. We have welcomed you like a brother and will do so again if you take an "impossible to refuse " offer but work for our best interests on your way out.

[Longsufferingnomore 1,637]

Biggest actual indicator I feel says he is going was watching the team song in the rooms on Sunday. A lot of passion around the group, and the song was ending when it got around to Tom and he looked very Dead Pan and uncomfortable, couldn't wait to break the circle and get away. Looked to me like a bloke who wanted to share the excitement of the group, but didn't want to let him self enjoy it or get hyped because he knows he is not sticking around to enjoy so much more of this in the coming years. Great to see the likes of Martin, McKenzie, Watts, Trengove, How, Nicholson etc. so excited with the win together. We just need to remember the talent we are building in our midfield, and the potential for our greatest side of the last 50 years.

If Tom decides to move on we shouldn't hold that against him. On the field the players all know they have to play their role in the team, and when it comes to negotiating their share of the salary cap that should be no different. If Tom wants to chase the big bucks up North best of Luck to him, but we need to restrain any offer to him to a level that will not put the greater team at risk. No one player is bigger than the awesome team we are building.

I really hope Tom sticks around and forms a core of a powerful Melbourne midfield going forward. If not though, I hope he is the professional we all know he works tirelessly to be and provides Melbourne with enough notice to negotiate the best mfc outcome from the move, plan it's list and recruiting going forwards. Just show us some respect on your way out mate. We have welcomed you like a brother and will do so again if you take an "impossible to refuse " offer but work for our best interests on your way out.

GREAT POST

[bush demon 2,062]

Biggest actual indicator I feel says he is going was watching the team song in the rooms on Sunday. A lot of passion around the group, and the song was ending when it got around to Tom and he looked very Dead Pan and uncomfortable, couldn't wait to break the circle and get away. Looked to me like a bloke who wanted to share the excitement of the group, but didn't want to let him self enjoy it or get hyped because he knows he is not sticking around to enjoy so much more of this in the coming years. Great to see the likes of Martin, McKenzie, Watts, Trengove, How, Nicholson etc. so excited with the win together. We just need to remember the talent we are building in our midfield, and the potential for our greatest side of the last 50 years.

If Tom decides to move on we shouldn't hold that against him. On the field the players all know they have to play their role in the team, and when it comes to negotiating their share of the salary cap that should be no different. If Tom wants to chase the big bucks up North best of Luck to him, but we need to restrain any offer to him to a level that will not put the greater team at risk. No one player is bigger than the awesome team we are building.

I really hope Tom sticks around and forms a core of a powerful Melbourne midfield going forward. If not though, I hope he is the professional we all know he works tirelessly to be and provides Melbourne with enough notice to negotiate the best mfc outcome from the move, plan it's list and recruiting going forwards. Just show us some respect on your way out mate. We have welcomed you like a brother and will do so again if you take an "impossible to refuse " offer but work for our best interests on your way out.

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Fixed quote tags

[Rogue 585]

Biggest actual indicator I feel says he is going was watching the team song in the rooms on Sunday. A lot of passion around the group, and the song was ending when it got around to Tom and he looked very Dead Pan and uncomfortable, couldn't wait to break the circle and get away. Looked to me like a bloke who wanted to share the excitement of the group, but didn't want to let him self enjoy it or get hyped because he knows he is not sticking around to enjoy so much more of this in the coming years.

I'd feel pretty uncomfortable whne the cameraman started moving around to me, knowing that my behaviour was going to be analysed.

[H_T 3,049]

When the final siren went, there were 22 "Dead Pan" looking stone cold faces after Brad Green called them in asking them to switch on for the Richmond game....

I must say the singing of the song was subdued by all compared to the Essendon game too. Looked much like the Geelong players after they sing their song for the "upteenth" time.

Perhaps it's the embryonic stage of maturing as a group.

Some sides don't even sing their song after a win and prefer to save it for after the Premiership.

Nathan Buckley was an excitable character after singing the song too. If he smiled all the mirrors would crack.

[Guest Thomo]

Read this in the Jack Viney thread and thought that I would respond here. The post was in relation to a poster who was talking with running coach Bohdan Babijczuk

Ok.. He said he is good friends with Malthouse, and he definately wants to continue coaching next year. He also said Scully is the best trainer he has ever seen, and he does not want to go to GWS. However the stongest talk he has heard around the corridoors is that Collingwood are trying to make a deal happen for him. He reckons Collingwood are secretly trying to trade for one of GWS low picks. Obviously that is just a rumour that he said was currently strong around the inner sanctum, so please don't everyone jump down my throat. But he was certain Scully would only go to a Victorian based club if he decided to leave, and that his management have told him not to sign until they know who is coaching Melbourne next year?

I have no idea if any of this is true, but I'll put a conspiracy theory out there...

Collingwood is losing a very good player to GWS, Eddie McGuire knows this, so he aims to get Scully as a replacement. He knows that money is not the main motivation for Scully, but he is extremely professional and wants to excel in a professional environment. Collingwood have the best facilities in the league, but that alone may not sway him. What may is convincing Scully that Melbourne have a cultural problem, that it is a Drinking Team with a football problem, so he runs a story on morning radio targeting the Melbourne vice captain and spiritual leader a fabricated alcohol fuelled despicable act, while also trying to ostracise Scully from the playing group by spreading rumours about Scully signing with GWS. Comes season end Scully wants out, GWS have spent there money on a Collingwood player and McGuire is there waiting with open arms.

No facts behind this, and personally I think that Scully is waiting for the CBA as he stated in this press conference, especially when Collingwood have such upstanding citizens as Swan and Didak. But this is a Scully thread, and facts have no more weight than fiction, so I thought I throw it in.

[H_T 3,049]

He announced the Scully/GWS rumour, well before the Moloney celebrating story. Would add fuel to the rivalry anyway. But it's a very long theoretical bow.

If there was any big Victorian club I would be paranoid about it would be Essendon as they're keen on netting a big fish (see T.Cloke & Mundy offers Oct 2010). But I'm not and he loves Melbourne.

[Crompton's the man 659]

Interesting, Thomo

I have always felt Edward started this hoopla

[Demonic Ascent 0]

Read this in the Jack Viney thread and thought that I would respond here. The post was in relation to a poster who was talking with running coach Bohdan Babijczuk

Ok.. He said he is good friends with Malthouse, and he definately wants to continue coaching next year. He also said Scully is the best trainer he has ever seen, and he does not want to go to GWS. However the stongest talk he has heard around the corridoors is that Collingwood are trying to make a deal happen for him. He reckons Collingwood are secretly trying to trade for one of GWS low picks. Obviously that is just a rumour that he said was currently strong around the inner sanctum, so please don't everyone jump down my throat. But he was certain Scully would only go to a Victorian based club if he decided to leave, and that his management have told him not to sign until they know who is coaching Melbourne next year?

I have no idea if any of this is true, but I'll put a conspiracy theory out there...

Collingwood is losing a very good player to GWS, Eddie McGuire knows this, so he aims to get Scully as a replacement. He knows that money is not the main motivation for Scully, but he is extremely professional and wants to excel in a professional environment. Collingwood have the best facilities in the league, but that alone may not sway him. What may is convincing Scully that Melbourne have a cultural problem, that it is a Drinking Team with a football problem, so he runs a story on morning radio targeting the Melbourne vice captain and spiritual leader a fabricated alcohol fuelled despicable act, while also trying to ostracise Scully from the playing group by spreading rumours about Scully signing with GWS. Comes season end Scully wants out, GWS have spent there money on a Collingwood player and McGuire is there waiting with open arms.

No facts behind this, and personally I think that Scully is waiting for the CBA as he stated in this press conference, especially when Collingwood have such upstanding citizens as Swan and Didak. But this is a Scully thread, and facts have no more weight than fiction, so I thought I throw it in.

I don't see him leaving to go to the Pies. If he were to go it would be to GWS for the cash or Richmond for the chance at a flag with his childhood team. But I don't see either happening and think he will be in the red and blue next year.

[Jarka 767]

FFS, Collingwood's drinking culture is worse than Melbourne's. Swan, Didak, Shaw etc

[old55 23,687]

Collingwood is losing a very good player to GWS, Eddie McGuire knows this, so he aims to get Scully as a replacement.

Paranoia will destroya.

So for cultural reasons Tom's going to go to the club whose president started the lies that he's signed with GWS?

[Guest hangon007]

Read this in the Jack Viney thread and thought that I would respond here. The post was in relation to a poster who was talking with running coach Bohdan Babijczuk

Ok.. He said he is good friends with Malthouse, and he definately wants to continue coaching next year. He also said Scully is the best trainer he has ever seen, and he does not want to go to GWS. However the stongest talk he has heard around the corridoors is that Collingwood are trying to make a deal happen for him. He reckons Collingwood are secretly trying to trade for one of GWS low picks. Obviously that is just a rumour that he said was currently strong around the inner sanctum, so please don't everyone jump down my throat. But he was certain Scully would only go to a Victorian based club if he decided to leave, and that his management have told him not to sign until they know who is coaching Melbourne next year?

I have no idea if any of this is true, but I'll put a conspiracy theory out there...

Collingwood is losing a very good player to GWS, Eddie McGuire knows this, so he aims to get Scully as a replacement. He knows that money is not the main motivation for Scully, but he is extremely professional and wants to excel in a professional environment. Collingwood have the best facilities in the league, but that alone may not sway him. What may is convincing Scully that Melbourne have a cultural problem, that it is a Drinking Team with a football problem, so he runs a story on morning radio targeting the Melbourne vice captain and spiritual leader a fabricated alcohol fuelled despicable act, while also trying to ostracise Scully from the playing group by spreading rumours about Scully signing with GWS. Comes season end Scully wants out, GWS have spent there money on a Collingwood player and McGuire is there waiting with open arms.

No facts behind this, and personally I think that Scully is waiting for the CBA as he stated in this press conference, especially when Collingwood have such upstanding citizens as Swan and Didak. But this is a Scully thread, and facts have no more weight than fiction, so I thought I throw it in.

hehehe the old Collingwood trade rumours are starting early this year. Biggest spanner in the works with this one, is salary cap room ... near impossible to find in a post premiership year. IMHO Collingwwod would face the same dilemma when they where chasing Judd ... simply cant get the picks to get the job done ... the internal (Collingwood) backlash would be un-believable.

[JACKATTACK 17]

I was thinking about this last night, and wondered if there was a way every party gets their way in a trade situation.

Collingwood trade Thomas (did he sign yet?) to GWS for pick 1. Then on trade that pick to Dees for Scully.

GWS get Thomas and lose Patton.

Pies lose thomas and get Scully.

We lose scully get Patton.

Obviously this is all a bit simple and there are holes all over this. But in this way, Thomas gets his monster pay packet, Scully gets his big club, and Patton gets to be the FF of the greatest team ever.

[Roost It 1,434]

I was thinking about this last night, and wondered if there was a way every party gets their way in a trade situation.

Collingwood trade Thomas (did he sign yet?) to GWS for pick 1. Then on trade that pick to Dees for Scully.

GWS get Thomas and lose Patton.

Pies lose thomas and get Scully.

We lose scully get Patton.

Obviously this is all a bit simple and there are holes all over this. But in this way, Thomas gets his monster pay packet, Scully gets his big club, and Patton gets to be the FF of the greatest team ever.

No complaints with this little fantasy

[H_T 3,049]

I was thinking about this last night, and wondered if there was a way every party gets their way in a trade situation.

Collingwood trade Thomas (did he sign yet?) to GWS for pick 1. Then on trade that pick to Dees for Scully.

GWS get Thomas and lose Patton.

Pies lose thomas and get Scully.

We lose scully get Patton.

Obviously this is all a bit simple and there are holes all over this. But in this way, Thomas gets his monster pay packet, Scully gets his big club, and Patton gets to be the FF of the greatest team ever.

Mate, Ultimate Footy has infected your brain.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

If Tom decides to move on we shouldn't hold that against him.

Matthew Kreuzer knocked back a big GWS offer to stay at Carlton. (Allegedly the biggest GWS offer.) He obviously rates Carlton, its chances for a flag and its environment (and its deep pockets) compared with GWS.

On the other hand, if Tom Scully took the big money and went to GWS you have to conclude Tom rates GWS a better prospect than Melbourne. Or, looking at it the other way around: Tom rates Melbourne a worse prospect than GWS. We must be utter bush-league, since the GWS Ramraiders are going to be rubbish for a few years yet.

There is another possible: Tom wants to get to one of Melbourne's big clubs, Collingwood, Carlton, etc. In other words he reckons footy at, say, The Pies would be sweet compared with footy at a dump like Melbourne.

I don't know why you wouldn't want to hold that against him. I know I would. In fact I would hold it against him in perpetuity, until the cows come home, and for ever.

But I hope he stays. (As long as we don't pay over the odds to keep him.)

[Tony Tea 2,809]

GWS get Thomas and lose Patton.

Pies lose thomas and get Scully.

We lose scully get Patton.

I would certainly take adequate compensation for Scully.

[JACKATTACK 17]

Mate, Ultimate Footy has infected your brain.

I think you're probably right.

[nutbean 8,838]

On the other hand, if Tom Scully took the big money and went to GWS you have to conclude Tom rates GWS a better prospect than Melbourne. Or, looking at it the other way around: Tom rates Melbourne a worse prospect than GWS.

By your logic it is obvious the Gary Ablett Jnr rates GC17 as a better prospect than Geelong. Can you see any flaws in your logic ?