Jurrah's shoulder

[pitmaster 3,513]

Tucked away in the six point section of The Age was the injury list.

It included Bell (shoulder) four weeks...Jurrah (shoulder) 13 weeks.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?

How bad was LJ's injury?

How did his surgery go?

What was his specialist's assessment?

[Range Rover 1,935]

Tucked away in the six point section of The Age was the injury list.

It included Bell (shoulder) four weeks...Jurrah (shoulder) 13 weeks.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?

How bad was LJ's injury?

How did his surgery go?

What was his specialist's assessment?

I've heard from a club insider that it's worse than first thought unfortunately. 3 - 4 months on the sidelines.

Edited March 31, 2010 by Spirit of Barassi

[Arthur Dent 2]

Tucked away in the six point section of The Age was the injury list.

It included Bell (shoulder) four weeks...Jurrah (shoulder) 13 weeks.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?

How bad was LJ's injury?

How did his surgery go?

What was his specialist's assessment?

I guess you're wondering the difference in prognisis? Quite simply the shoulder is a very complex joint (in fact it is a series of joints). I dont know the details of their injuries specifically, but if one has done an AC (acromioclavicular) joint for example it is an entirely different injury to the GH (glenohumeral) joint (ie the ball & socket part we generally think of as the 'shoulder')

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I had shoulder surgery last year and you are told by the surgeon not to use it for at least 6 weeks, after that there is extensive Physio to get the shoulder functional again. You have to stretch the muscle to get it back to its full capacity and it is a gradual process. I don’t think Belly had surgery, I think his just popped out and that’s no where near as bad.

[Guest Balls_Grinter_14]

Tucked away in the six point section of The Age was the injury list.

It included Bell (shoulder) four weeks...Jurrah (shoulder) 13 weeks.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?

How bad was LJ's injury?

How did his surgery go?

What was his specialist's assessment?

I cant explain the discrepancy but like you I think it is really odd that there can be such a difference between the two. I mean TBH at the time I think most supporters thought, based on the vision of the two, that Belly's injury was far worse that LJ's. Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't Bell injured his before? I guess LJ might just be tougher and didn't show his pain as much. I am no Physio or Doc but the muscle development may ahve something to do with recovery time as well. Although joints are completely seperate to muscle related injuries.

If anyone is an expert in the area I would love to here the explanation of both injuries.

All I can say is that I hope both guys are back ASAP. I have never been fond of Bell but I had seen (live) him play in the preseason and he seemed to have found some form. The frustrating thing with Bell is whenever he seems to find rhythm he gets injured. Good luck to both boys!

[e25 5]

You guys sound like you have no idea at all about shoulder injuries.

There are 'shoulder dislocations and then 'AC dsilications' and there are different grades for how badly it has been done.

Try googling 'shoulder injuries' to get a bit of an idea of what you're talkng about.

Edited March 31, 2010 by Enforcer25

[Guest Balls_Grinter_14]

You guys sound like you have no idea at all about shoulder injuries.

I guess that may be why pitmaster asked the question.

[Demon3 2,541]

You guys sound like you have no idea at all about shoulder injuries.

There are 'shoulder dislocations and then 'AC dsilications' and there are different grades for how badly it has been done.

Try googling 'shoulder injuries' to get a bit of an idea of what you're talkng about.

Dude, they obviously dont, thats why they were asking? give the high horse stuff a rest.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I cant explain the discrepancy but like you I think it is really odd that there can be such a difference between the two. I mean TBH at the time I think most supporters thought....,

In absence of either area expertise or the facts I am not sure most supporters would have a clue.

Surely there has been enough experience with player injuries in past year to know that if its a XXXX injury its not always a set number of weeks.

I think the biggest issue for Jurrah besides his shoulder is if he does not have AFL football what does a guy from the remotest part of Australia have to connect him to big city life? It was football that got him here and I hope we can hold him.

[e25 5]

Dude, they obviously dont, thats why they were asking? give the high horse stuff a rest.

How about they do what I suggested and google it so they have some idea?

They weren't asking for general info, but specifics and they won't get those.

Pull the finger out and do some research to get an understanding of the issue.

[Guest Balls_Grinter_14]

How about they do what I suggested and google it so they have some idea?

They weren't asking for general info, but specifics and they won't get those.

Pull the finger out and do some research to get an understanding of the issue.

Well you can read all you like but I think pitmaster was hoping someone could provide some info about what the injury was that LJ suffered. Its hard to nail specifics of shoulder injuries from google when you don't know what area you are looking for. Is the word AC dislocation requiring reco????

No need to be snappy mate

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Tucked away in the six point section of The Age was the injury list.

It included Bell (shoulder) four weeks...Jurrah (shoulder) 13 weeks.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?

How bad was LJ's injury?

How did his surgery go?

What was his specialist's assessment?

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-football-blog/liam-jurrah-our-for-four-months/20100309-pvje.html

This is from 3AW's website and explains Liam Jurrah's injury and why it is going to take so long.

There is no assessment from the surgeon but if there was any complication it would show up in yhr Demons Injury report.

Hope this helps.

[Demon Jim 149]

In absence of either area expertise or the facts I am not sure most supporters would have a clue.

Surely there has been enough experience with player injuries in past year to know that if its a XXXX injury its not always a set number of weeks.

I think the biggest issue for Jurrah besides his shoulder is if he does not have AFL football what does a guy from the remotest part of Australia have to connect him to big city life? It was football that got him here and I hope we can hold him.

this has Sean charles written all over it

[WonnaJurah 5]

this has Sean charles written all over it

Hope not,i dislocated and fractured my shoulder in high school after a spear tackle,was in sling for 4 to 6 weeks, took a while to heal.11 years on still painful. Im sure Lj would have all the help he needs to be all ready for 2011

[Redleg 40,833]

I've heard from a club insider that it's worse than first thought unfortunately. 3 - 4 months on the sidelines.

Of course. The curse of the star player at Melbourne. Schwarz, Charles, Prymke, Dean, Jakovich, Tingay, Lyon, Jurrah, Aussie, Morton etc.

Edited March 31, 2010 by Redleg

[WonnaJurah 5]

Of course. The curse of the star player at Melbourne. Schwarz, Charles, Prymke, Dean, Jakovich, Tingay, Lyon, Jurrah, Aussie, Morton etc.

Nick Smith

[Roost It 1,434]

Nick Smith

He's talking star players not total spuds!

[4jacks 0]

Baaaaaad news . Keeps making me less sure of my bet with an Essendon mate - we have a case on who plays more games out of Jurrah and Neagle... pull through LJ mate, we love you.

How about they do what I suggested and google it so they have some idea?

They weren't asking for general info, but specifics and they won't get those.

Pull the finger out and do some research to get an understanding of the issue.

Calm down a fair bit? OK cool.

[Webber 10,454]

Go easy on the speculations guys. I am a physiotherapist, and Liam Jurrah has had a shoulder reconstruction. When you dislocate the shoulder, the supportive tissues at the front of the shoulder are torn, and the cartilage 'ring' which rims the socket (which is more like a dish really) is also usually torn. The problem you have without surgery is that the joint is 'unstable'. Any degree of force on the upper arm at the top (the ball of the humerus) will again dislocate the shoulder. This means the ball sits in front of the socket, unable to go back on its own.

Surgery involves reattaching the cartilage rim, repairing and tightening the supportive tissues (ligaments and capsule) and basically 'double-breasting' one of the muscles at the front of the joint to reinforce it even further. The time to rehabilitate is longer than some other surgeries because not only are you dealing with the tissue repair (a natural process), but more time consuming is returning full range of movement. Rotate your own arms around and you'll quickly realise it has an enormous scope. It is inherently a very lax joint so needs to be secure. Also, because there is a period of immobilisation, strength needs to be regained. Liam Jurrah's quoted time frame to return is ambitious, but rest assured if anybody is going to acheive it, a professional footballer will. Also, his pre-injury strength was at a level that maximises the speed of recovery. Addam Maric and James Strauss both had the same surgeries toward the end of last season.

Daniel Bell dislocated his A-C joint, the junction between the Acromion (the end of the shoulder blade) and the clavicle (collarbone). There are degrees of injury. Grade 1 is a week out if that, Grade 2 is 3 to 4 weeks. Grade 3, a complete seperation of the ends, means surgery (depending), but also time to heal the fully ruptured ligaments involved. 6 to 8 weeks.

Both of them will fully recover, and while there may be flexibility on the dates, particularly for LJ, they'll be there.

[pitmaster 3,513]

You guys sound like you have no idea at all about shoulder injuries.

There are 'shoulder dislocations and then 'AC dsilications' and there are different grades for how badly it has been done.

Try googling 'shoulder injuries' to get a bit of an idea of what you're talkng about.

Off with the high hat Enforcer!

My questions were specifically about inside info on Jurrah's injury. The surgery, the assessment.

Google ain't gonna help with that.

If you can't follow a simple set of questions take a breath before you fire up.

[pitmaster 3,513]

Go easy on the speculations guys. I am a physiotherapist, and Liam Jurrah has had a shoulder reconstruction. When you dislocate the shoulder, the supportive tissues at the front of the shoulder are torn, and the cartilage 'ring' which rims the socket (which is more like a dish really) is also usually torn. The problem you have without surgery is that the joint is 'unstable'. Any degree of force on the upper arm at the top (the ball of the humerus) will again dislocate the shoulder. This means the ball sits in front of the socket, unable to go back on its own.

Surgery involves reattaching the cartilage rim, repairing and tightening the supportive tissues (ligaments and capsule) and basically 'double-breasting' one of the muscles at the front of the joint to reinforce it even further. The time to rehabilitate is longer than some other surgeries because not only are you dealing with the tissue repair (a natural process), but more time consuming is returning full range of movement. Rotate your own arms around and you'll quickly realise it has an enormous scope. It is inherently a very lax joint so needs to be secure. Also, because there is a period of immobilisation, strength needs to be regained. Liam Jurrah's quoted time frame to return is ambitious, but rest assured if anybody is going to acheive it, a professional footballer will. Also, his pre-injury strength was at a level that maximises the speed of recovery. Addam Maric and James Strauss both had the same surgeries toward the end of last season.

Daniel Bell dislocated his A-C joint, the junction between the Acromion (the end of the shoulder blade) and the clavicle (collarbone). There are degrees of injury. Grade 1 is a week out if that, Grade 2 is 3 to 4 weeks. Grade 3, a complete seperation of the ends, means surgery (depending), but also time to heal the fully ruptured ligaments involved. 6 to 8 weeks.

Both of them will fully recover, and while there may be flexibility on the dates, particularly for LJ, they'll be there.

tks

[dee-luded 2,959]

Tucked away in the six point section of The Age was the injury list.

It included Bell (shoulder) four weeks...Jurrah (shoulder) 13 weeks.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?

How bad was LJ's injury?

How did his surgery go?

What was his specialist's assessment?

Belly's injury was an AC joint, I don't know how severe, but being this is a make or break year for him, IMO he'll be back as soon as he can.

Thus 4 weeks.

Liam has had a full reconstruction. There's the difference.

[demonsflag555657 3]

In absence of either area expertise or the facts I am not sure most supporters would have a clue.

Surely there has been enough experience with player injuries in past year to know that if its a XXXX injury its not always a set number of weeks.

I think the biggest issue for Jurrah besides his shoulder is if he does not have AFL football what does a guy from the remotest part of Australia have to connect him to big city life? It was football that got him here and I hope we can hold him.

I agree that's what i am worried about

[FlowerPower 3]

Go easy on the speculations guys. I am a physiotherapist, and Liam Jurrah has had a shoulder reconstruction. When you dislocate the shoulder, the supportive tissues at the front of the shoulder are torn, and the cartilage 'ring' which rims the socket (which is more like a dish really) is also usually torn. The problem you have without surgery is that the joint is 'unstable'. Any degree of force on the upper arm at the top (the ball of the humerus) will again dislocate the shoulder. This means the ball sits in front of the socket, unable to go back on its own.

Surgery involves reattaching the cartilage rim, repairing and tightening the supportive tissues (ligaments and capsule) and basically 'double-breasting' one of the muscles at the front of the joint to reinforce it even further. The time to rehabilitate is longer than some other surgeries because not only are you dealing with the tissue repair (a natural process), but more time consuming is returning full range of movement. Rotate your own arms around and you'll quickly realise it has an enormous scope. It is inherently a very lax joint so needs to be secure. Also, because there is a period of immobilisation, strength needs to be regained. Liam Jurrah's quoted time frame to return is ambitious, but rest assured if anybody is going to acheive it, a professional footballer will. Also, his pre-injury strength was at a level that maximises the speed of recovery. Addam Maric and James Strauss both had the same surgeries toward the end of last season.

Daniel Bell dislocated his A-C joint, the junction between the Acromion (the end of the shoulder blade) and the clavicle (collarbone). There are degrees of injury. Grade 1 is a week out if that, Grade 2 is 3 to 4 weeks. Grade 3, a complete seperation of the ends, means surgery (depending), but also time to heal the fully ruptured ligaments involved. 6 to 8 weeks.

Both of them will fully recover, and while there may be flexibility on the dates, particularly for LJ, they'll be there.

Thank you for taking the time to fully explain his condition

[H.B.K 0]

Go easy on the speculations guys. I am a physiotherapist, and Liam Jurrah has had a shoulder reconstruction. When you dislocate the shoulder, the supportive tissues at the front of the shoulder are torn, and the cartilage 'ring' which rims the socket (which is more like a dish really) is also usually torn. The problem you have without surgery is that the joint is 'unstable'. Any degree of force on the upper arm at the top (the ball of the humerus) will again dislocate the shoulder. This means the ball sits in front of the socket, unable to go back on its own.

Surgery involves reattaching the cartilage rim, repairing and tightening the supportive tissues (ligaments and capsule) and basically 'double-breasting' one of the muscles at the front of the joint to reinforce it even further. The time to rehabilitate is longer than some other surgeries because not only are you dealing with the tissue repair (a natural process), but more time consuming is returning full range of movement. Rotate your own arms around and you'll quickly realise it has an enormous scope. It is inherently a very lax joint so needs to be secure. Also, because there is a period of immobilisation, strength needs to be regained. Liam Jurrah's quoted time frame to return is ambitious, but rest assured if anybody is going to acheive it, a professional footballer will. Also, his pre-injury strength was at a level that maximises the speed of recovery. Addam Maric and James Strauss both had the same surgeries toward the end of last season.

Daniel Bell dislocated his A-C joint, the junction between the Acromion (the end of the shoulder blade) and the clavicle (collarbone). There are degrees of injury. Grade 1 is a week out if that, Grade 2 is 3 to 4 weeks. Grade 3, a complete seperation of the ends, means surgery (depending), but also time to heal the fully ruptured ligaments involved. 6 to 8 weeks.

Both of them will fully recover, and while there may be flexibility on the dates, particularly for LJ, they'll be there.

A perfect summary of shoulder injuries!

I had an open shoulder reconstruction last year and my surgeon told me I could play/train for footy after 6 months.

Around 3 or 4 weeks in a sling, gentle rehab for the first 6 weeks and ramp it up after that. After 4 months should have 80% movement and should start thinking about putting strength back into it.

Right now he would be having the worst time, cause he wouldnt be able to move his arm out of a cradling position and believe me it sucks!