So im sitting here wondering what is the difference between a dream and a reality. So i composed two ladders. One which i would consider a perfect season and a ladder which is alot more realistic for 2010. What are your ideal / predicted ladders?

Below is my 2010 Perfect Ideal Heavenly Ladder

Melbourne

Brisbane (always liked brisbane)

Western Bulldogs

Port Adelaide

Fremantle

Richmond

North

West Coast

Carlton (Just missing out on the 8)

Sydney

Gellong

Adelaide

Essendon

Hawks

Collingwood

St Kilda

Below is my 2010 Predicted Ladder

Gellong

Westen Bulldogs

Collingwood

St Kilda

Hawks

Adelaide

Essendon

Brisbane

Carlton

Melbourne

Sydney

Port

West Coast

North

Fremantle

Richmond

Idealised:

1: Melbourne

2-15: who cares as long as we win the flag!

16: Pies

Realistic:

Hawthorn

Geelong

Collingwood

Adelaide

St Kilda

Carlton

Brisbane

West Coast

Bulldogs

Sydney

Essendon

Melbourne

North Melbourne

Port

Freo

Richmond

Want:

1. Melbourne

2-14. The rest

15. Hawthorn

16. Collingwood

Realistically:

St Kilda

Western Bulldogs

Hawthorn

Geelong

Adelaide

Collingwood

Brisbane

Essendon

Carlton

West Coast

Melbourne

Sydney

North Melbourne

Fremantle

Port Adelaide

Richmond

WANT: MFC premiership

REALISTIC:

1 Bulldogs

2 Saints

3 Cats

4 Crows

5 Lions

6 Hawks

7 DEMONS

8 Pies

9 Blues

10 Tigers

11 Eagles

12 Bomers

13 Swans

14 Dockers

15 Kangaroos

16 Power

1-4: Dogs, Pies, Saints, Cats:

Boring I know, but each of the first 3 have made definitive immediate improvements to their lists and the Cats are just sooo good.

Any one of them can win the flag

5-7: Crows, Hawks, Lions

Can't win the flag but wont miss the 8

8-9: Blues, Eagles

They'll be fighting out the last place in the 8

10-16: the rest

Any could finish bottom 4 and none can make the 8 but it's impossible for me to put them in order

Bookmark it! It's guaranteed to be wrong somehow.

Edited December 9, 200915 yr by old55

So im sitting here wondering what is the difference between a dream and a reality. So i composed two ladders. One which i would consider a perfect season and a ladder which is alot more realistic for 2010. What are your ideal / predicted ladders?

Below is my 2010 Perfect Ideal Heavenly Ladder

Melbourne

Brisbane (always liked brisbane)

Western Bulldogs

Port Adelaide

Fremantle

Richmond

North

West Coast

Carlton (Just missing out on the 8)

Sydney

Gellong

Adelaide

Essendon

Hawks

Collingwood

St Kilda

Below is my 2010 Predicted Ladder

Gellong

Westen Bulldogs

Collingwood

St Kilda

Hawks

Adelaide

Essendon

Brisbane

Carlton

Melbourne

Sydney

Port

West Coast

North

Fremantle

Richmond

Predicted Ladder:

Geelong

Western Bullies

Saints

Crows

Dons

Lions

Blues

Demons

Magpies

Hawks

Swans

WC

Port

North

Frem

Tigers

very surprised to see how optimistic some of us are.

not that its a bad thing, i suppose i expect us to win 6-9 games as well...

i wouldnt discount the lions....even with their shitty new jumber they will have fev and brown.

i wouldnt discount the lions....even with their shitty new jumber they will have fev and brown.

but can they coexist?

Surprised so many have the pies at 16th in their ideal ladders. Would much rather them be in the eight so we can beat them in another GF

No offense guys but I think most of you are crazy. As a fellow demons supporter it saddens me to say this but I think we will be pushing it to get out of the bottom 4 this year, we will start moving faster up the ladder the folling year but I dont think there will be massive improvement as in win this coming year.

SORRY

No offense guys but I think most of you are crazy. As a fellow demons supporter it saddens me to say this but I think we will be pushing it to get out of the bottom 4 this year, we will start moving faster up the ladder the folling year but I dont think there will be massive improvement as in win this coming year.

SORRY

Teams can rise and fall pretty quickly.

In 2007 before the season began MFC were predicted by the majority of the 'experts' to finish as the top team from Victoria, after we had knocked a decent St Kilda team out of the finals in 2006.

We finished that season 3rd last.

Conversely, Geelong had a miserable 2006 season and some were predicting they were ready for a rebuild. Thompson almost lost his job at the end of 2006.

They started the first 5 games of 2007 in poor form... then went on a run of wins over the course of 3 years that has never before been seen in AFL history.

Essendon in 1993 came from nowhere with a group full of kids to win the flag.

We won't do this, but doing better than bottom 4 is hardly impossible, in fact I think it is highly probable.

True, although there are a lot more examples of teams that have finished bottom and taken several years to improve.

I think we'll win more games than most people predict, although I don't think we'll be in finals contention.

Whilst I'd love to see us playing finals, it's not the objective of this year. I'd prefer to see us get some game time into the kids, stay injury free and use this season to build towards a big success in the next few years.

In 2007 before the season began MFC were predicted by the majority of the 'experts' to finish as the top team from Victoria, after we had knocked a decent St Kilda team out of the finals in 2006.

We finished that season 3rd last.

I think this anecdote is more of an indictment on 'the experts' than it is on the ability to predict a team's fortunes. The 2007 'expert' predictions you refer to were lazy predictions. I thought it was pretty clear we were on the decline.

You only needed to look at the age of our more important players to realise that they - and thus us - were likely to be on the wane. Our list's 'age gap' meant we were relying on inexperienced players to step up.

However, the injury toll and upheaval worsened the slide - on paper we weren't as bad as our '07 results reflected. (Going so badly in '07 helped the rebuild, so I'm not complaining).

We won't do this, but doing better than bottom 4 is hardly impossible, in fact I think it is highly probable.

I think it's highly probable we'll avoid the spoon, while getting out of the bottom four is even-money at best.

No offense guys but I think most of you are crazy. As a fellow demons supporter it saddens me to say this but I think we will be pushing it to get out of the bottom 4 this year, we will start moving faster up the ladder the folling year but I dont think there will be massive improvement as in win this coming year.

SORRY

I will be conservative and say anywhere between 11th-14th, which is not that much different (ie bottom 6).

Don't underestimate momentum though, things can turn quickly, whether a side goes up or down for that matter. There is plenty of evidence to suggest this too.

Confidence is a massive issue with a young side.

Young teams can perform really well when they have a bit of confidence, but as soon as they lose a few big matches, the form drops away dramatically.

Confidence is a massive issue with a young side.

Young teams can perform really well when they have a bit of confidence, but as soon as they lose a few big matches, the form drops away dramatically.

I think our side in 2009 was inconsistent, but the form after the dives off Port melb peir turned and they finished off well i thought.

Many opinions might suggest they wouldn't be surprised if there was a drop off in form towards end of season because of young bodies, whatever. But believe if the FD prepare well and play guys on form, they can arrest these form drop-offs.

No offense guys but I think most of you are crazy. As a fellow demons supporter it saddens me to say this but I think we will be pushing it to get out of the bottom 4 this year, we will start moving faster up the ladder the folling year but I dont think there will be massive improvement as in win this coming year.

SORRY

We finished last in 1997, then made a prelim the following year?!