Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted

Tall option likely fir Dee's 3rd pick

Matt Burgan ( AFL-site ) goes on to suggest:

""WITH Melbourne's first two picks in this year's NAB AFL Draft all but locked in, the club's third pick - No.11 overall - remains a mystery.

Tom Scully (Dandenong Stingrays) and Jack Trengove (Sturt) are considered by most to be certainties for the first two selections, with only the order in which the pair is drafted creating intrigue.

What seems certain is that several talented talls - including 198cm ruckman Nathan Vardy as well as other key position players - will still be available for the Dees at their Nos.11 and 18 picks.""

Well its that time of the game. Every possibility will be written about from now til whence the numbers are called out.

So far though much deliberation has been given to the likes of a sliding Butcher..or a Talia..or Black etc being taken with pick 11. of course this morning its also being touted as a threatened way of nabbing the bouncing Ball.. With the now more than equal betting possibility we may take Mitch Thorp either in the ND or the PSD new focus can be allowed towards the use of Melbournes 3rd pick at 11.

Vardy's name isnt unknown in the thinkings and suggested selections by many a pundit but for the most part it has been as a lucky filip ought he still be around at pick 18. Melbourne is incredibly lucky in having 4 picks inside the first 20, no other club does. There is pressure inbuilt then to use them wisely in this year of compromised selections.

Weve just delisted one Ruck. were not convinced , other than Jamar as to who else will step up as his sidekick so it might well be intelligent to give more than a peripheral glance at any decent talls...and sooner rather than later.

Posted

I went to school with Nathan Vardy, mind you he was pretty young then.

Knowing the amount of Vardy's that hail from the Yarram/Woodside area i'm pretty sure he's related to Royce Vardy, the man who all but lost the TAC sponsorship for Richmond.

He can play a bit so good luck to him.

Posted
Tall option likely fir Dee's 3rd pick

Matt Burgan ( AFL-site ) goes on to suggest:

""WITH Melbourne's...

I couldn't decide between Tapscott or Vardy for pick 11..

Went with Tappy when musing on another thread, thinking that Vardy would still be available at 34. (Daw- Pick 18)

Sounds like:

'Tall' -pick 11 (Vardy?)

'Best available - 18 (Tapscott? / Daw?)

'ditto' - 34 (Daw? / The other Jurrah? / Grimes??)

Posted
I couldn't decide between Tapscott or Vardy for pick 11..

Went with Tappy when musing on another thread, thinking that Vardy would still be available at 34. (Daw- Pick 18)

Sounds like:

'Tall' -pick 11 (Vardy?)

'Best available - 18 (Tapscott? / Daw?)

'ditto' - 34 (Daw? / The other Jurrah? / Grimes??)

Daw??!? at 18?

You'd have to be be joking...

Posted

My favourite pastime at this time of year is watching people claim they want someone at one pick and then keep their name at the next pick (usually 16 positions later in the draft). Surely if you seriously think someone will go in one spot, you don't think he would slip by 15 more picks.

Posted
My favourite pastime at this time of year is watching people claim they want someone at one pick and then keep their name at the next pick (usually 16 positions later in the draft). Surely if you seriously think someone will go in one spot, you don't think he would slip by 15 more picks.

I might slide this year...


Posted
Daw??!? at 18?

You'd have to be be joking...

why ? His performance at Vic-Screening and in the estimation of more than one observer has his measure massively uprated.

Many of the more fancied players.. kpp-talls..& poss rucks etc will quite likely be gone by 18. If the Carlisle's , Talia's, Butcher's, Vardy's and Blacks"s of this draft arent there come our 18 why not look outside the square and look to someone who , yes is raw, and in need of quite some coaching but with massive simply athletic ability. Many a player ( draftee ) has been taken on less visible evidence.

He wont be there at 30 let alone 34....doubt it very much.

With the likely hood of Thorp in the PSd and having succeeded in grabbing the dynamic duo with 1 & 2 we are well on our way to addressing massive shortcomings. Dot forget we still have a handful of kids to really hit the park so is there that much sillyness in looking forward a bit and bringing on baord a couple of guys who we know are projects ??. Its a bit like grabbing early out of the next draft in a sense for god knows how little we may get out of the next 2-3 years .

Posted (edited)
My favourite pastime at this time of year is watching people claim they want someone at one pick and then keep their name at the next pick (usually 16 positions later in the draft). Surely if you seriously think someone will go in one spot, you don't think he would slip by 15 more picks.

You should list that in your favourites.....

One of my favourites is when some put in someone at pick 18 or 34 and haven't seen footage of them; or live. (because there isn't any; not rated). They proceed to put them in front of another prospect later on - who is touted 'at best' rookie draft, by some draft analysts - yet have seen only approx. 4mins of You Tube highlights, of which they get most excited over. The prospect's previous U18 coach also (with fingers crossed) states, he hopes the 'prospect' gets drafted as a rookie (must be in the know as a coach), which somehow gets all lost once the highlights are viewed.

Then they use the old chestnut - " he is a smokey" as a get out clause and spruik, "OMG, he'll go 2nd round!".

Edited by High Tower

Posted
why ? His performance at Vic-Screening and in the estimation of more than one observer has his measure massively uprated.

Many of the more fancied players.. kpp-talls..& poss rucks etc will quite likely be gone by 18. If the Carlisle's , Talia's, Butcher's, Vardy's and Blacks"s of this draft arent there come our 18 why not look outside the square and look to someone who , yes is raw, and in need of quite some coaching but with massive simply athletic ability. Many a player ( draftee ) has been taken on less visible evidence.

He wont be there at 30 let alone 34....doubt it very much.

With the likely hood of Thorp in the PSd and having succeeded in grabbing the dynamic duo with 1 & 2 we are well on our way to addressing massive shortcomings. Dot forget we still have a handful of kids to really hit the park so is there that much sillyness in looking forward a bit and bringing on baord a couple of guys who we know are projects ??. Its a bit like grabbing early out of the next draft in a sense for god knows how little we may get out of the next 2-3 years .

I honestly thought you were smarter than that.

My mistake.

Posted
I honestly thought you were smarter than that.

My mistake.

Before you dismiss quite so out of hand.,.. and without any argument to the contrary, consider this. Just how many of the oh-no-not-another-utilty types do we need ? yes arguably more than a few wont last for ever on our lists but we have a few:

Bail, Bartram, Bell, Bennell, Blease, Cheney, Dunn , Jetta, Maric, McNamara , Petterd, Struss heally Huhghes and McKenzie and possibly Wonna.

Some havent even any real games to them yet . We have also some who have already shown reasons to keep: Grimes, Morton, and I suppose players like Martin and Spencer fall somewhere into a group like this also. We have some decent mids , if not top flight and were about to add to them honing this section for some time.

How many more general-utility type-mids do we want ? Harrington has already intimated that there wil be more than a hint of height in latter picks..i.e after 1 and 2. The better tall timber will undoubtedly have gone by 18...so whats left to venture into. I simply suggest thats where a few projects come into the picture. Daw is no Nic Nac but can reach just about as far and already has a better lower game than him .If this guy can pick up as much about our game in a few short years ...the mind boggles as to his limits if given AFL level coaching and facilities.

Harrington has had stints with both Nth and the Pups...co-incidentally the two clubs most closely eying Daw.

Sometimes you have to take a bit of a punt. Probably in 'normal' times Daw wouldnt even get a look in before 50-60...but these are not normal times and the chance for us to grab the cherries wont come along for a long long time. Yes..an unripened cherry... granted !!

Posted

Ridiculous notion that we would waste pick 18 on such a raw project player when there will still be so much talent left on the board.

Majak Daw may look athletically like he can hang with the best of them, but the game is played between the ears.

There are so many other facets to an AFL player that he does not yet possess.

Posted

so you just go adding utilities to the pile ad nauseum ??

thats a plan :unsure:

Success is often found when you push limits. Maybe 18 is normally far too early..I agree.. But differing times call for differing actions. We have no capacity now to Rookie anyone...unless either Newton or Meesen are taken up. In this year of compromises other clubs will do things different than the norm as they too realise some opportunities just wont last

So ..if Carlisle, Vardy, Butcher, Black or Panos are not there come 18...what tall would you KS take..and why ?

granted if they are they are a better choice...but my premise has been to say ..what if they arent .

Posted
Before you dismiss quite so out of hand.,.. and without any argument to the contrary, consider this. Just how many of the oh-no-not-another-utilty types do we need ? yes arguably more than a few wont last for ever on our lists but we have a few:

Bail, Bartram, Bell, Bennell, Blease, Cheney, Dunn , Jetta, Maric, McNamara , Petterd, Struss heally Huhghes and McKenzie and possibly Wonna.

Some havent even any real games to them yet . We have also some who have already shown reasons to keep: Grimes, Morton, and I suppose players like Martin and Spencer fall somewhere into a group like this also. We have some decent mids , if not top flight and were about to add to them honing this section for some time.

How many more general-utility type-mids do we want ? Harrington has already intimated that there wil be more than a hint of height in latter picks..i.e after 1 and 2. The better tall timber will undoubtedly have gone by 18...so whats left to venture into. I simply suggest thats where a few projects come into the picture. Daw is no Nic Nac but can reach just about as far and already has a better lower game than him .If this guy can pick up as much about our game in a few short years ...the mind boggles as to his limits if given AFL level coaching and facilities.

Harrington has had stints with both Nth and the Pups...co-incidentally the two clubs most closely eying Daw.

Sometimes you have to take a bit of a punt. Probably in 'normal' times Daw wouldnt even get a look in before 50-60...but these are not normal times and the chance for us to grab the cherries wont come along for a long long time. Yes..an unripened cherry... granted !!

:blink: Are you saying you would keep Spencer, over Aussie? :wacko:

Posted (edited)
:blink: Are you saying you would keep Spencer, over Aussie? :wacko:

where on earth do I say that.. Im not advocating getting rid of either.

you obviously read it wrong...I said we have a few ( meaning more than a few ) utility types.. i.e...yet to hold down specific KP.. Wonna is amongst them. Not all will be there from that group in coming years.. I didnt specify Wonna.

Spencer you will note is in a different category..a different paragraph even :rolleyes:

Edited by belzebub59
Posted

All the media can do is speculate as to what we will do with the 3rd pick, Matt Burgan is no exception. If Tapscott or Stevens are still available at pick 11, I doubt they will get automatically overlooked because we only want a tall with that pick.

Posted
All the media can do is speculate as to what we will do with the 3rd pick, Matt Burgan is no exception. If Tapscott or Stevens are still available at pick 11, I doubt they will get automatically overlooked because we only want a tall with that pick.

Or kane Lucas i have a feeling he is a very good chance to slide, though if he gets to ten essendon will take him.

I would be extremely happy with scully trengove and lucas!


Posted (edited)
so you just go adding utilities to the pile ad nauseum ??

thats a plan :unsure:

Success is often found when you push limits. Maybe 18 is normally far too early..I agree.. But differing times call for differing actions. We have no capacity now to Rookie anyone...unless either Newton or Meesen are taken up. In this year of compromises other clubs will do things different than the norm as they too realise some opportunities just wont last

So ..if Carlisle, Vardy, Butcher, Black or Panos are not there come 18...what tall would you KS take..and why ?

granted if they are they are a better choice...but my premise has been to say ..what if they arent .

If Carlisle, Vardy, Butcher, Talia, Griffiths and Black (don't rate Panos a top 30 pick) were gone come pick 18, I'd take the best available.

If these kids were all gone you'd be sure to have decent prospect still around that I rate better than Majak Daw, whether a tall or not.

Best available.

It would mean most of Tapscott, Lucas, Jetta, Gysberts, Koby Stevens, Melksham, Rohan, Andrew Moore, Sheppard, Mitch Duncan, Jasper McMillan-Pittard, James Craig, Fitzpatrick, Troy Taylor, Christensen et al would still be available.

I'd sooner take one of these kids before Majak Daw, among others.

What about Serhat Temel? wasn't he supposed to be flavour of the month in september?

Now nobody brings up his name... for good reason.

Edited by Keyser Söze
Posted
If Carlisle, Vardy, Butcher, Talia, Griffiths and Black (don't rate Panos a top 30 pick) were gone come pick 18, I'd take the best available.

If these kids were all gone you'd be sure to have decent prospect still around that I rate better than Majak Daw, whether a tall or not.

Best available.

It would mean most of Tapscott, Lucas, Jetta, Gysberts, Koby Stevens, Melksham, Rohan, Andrew Moore, Sheppard, Mitch Duncan, Jasper McMillan-Pittard, James Craig, Fitzpatrick, Troy Taylor, Christensen et al would still be available.

I'd sooner take one of these kids before Majak Daw, among others.

What about Serhat Temel? wasn't he supposed to be flavour of the month in september?

Now nobody brings up his name... for good reason.

ok..i'll keep this short.. Granted the original premise wasnt too likely but it was simple..if all the favoured talls were gone.. then why not look sideways. I proposed you pick a tall.. and you supplied more none tall utility types..

My premise was bult upon the notion as suggested in the article that Harrington was apparently hinting there might be a leaning towards talls after the early picks.

So the criteria was tall..and a what if all the favoured ones were gon.

I accept you view that there would be probably more sound choices..but that wasnt the construct ..thats al :)

Posted

Daw at 18???

Are you on crack? Dude has a high ceiling, but why roll the dice so early on when a handful of stronger candidates will still be on the board. At 34 have a look, but pick 11 and 18 should be an educated draft selection based on the best available talent.

Posted (edited)
Daw at 18???

Are you on crack? Dude has a high ceiling, but why roll the dice so early on when a handful of stronger candidates will still be on the board. At 34 have a look, but pick 11 and 18 should be an educated draft selection based on the best available talent.

try reading the whole thing ...theres context...is that beyond you ?

it was a hypothetical situation.... did i lose you there.

Funnily enough youd consider him with the very next pick we have... so are you on half measure of crack ??

he wont be there at 34...just watch

Edited by belzebub59
Posted

I saw a lot of backtracking, but if you choose to call that context.......

Anyway, why would you take Daw at 18 when you could pick him up at 50? We could have taken him later on, but that's our last pick.

To quote Ms Hoover, "Ralph, the other kids are right to laugh at you".

Posted (edited)
Many of the more fancied players.. kpp-talls..& poss rucks etc will quite likely be gone by 18. If the Carlisle's , Talia's, Butcher's, Vardy's and Blacks"s of this draft arent there come our 18 why not look outside the square and look to someone who , yes is raw, and in need of quite some coaching but with massive simply athletic ability. Many a player ( draftee ) has been taken on less visible evidence.

He wont be there at 30 let alone 34....doubt it very much.

For the record Bob..I said this then..in response to the Daw criticism. I stated it quite early... you might call it back tracking..I call it clarifying...as obviously not every one can read !! <_<

Apparently you cant either.. He wont be there at 50..if that happens all well and good

edit to bold !

Edited by belzebub59

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 3

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!
×
×
  • Create New...