I know what you meant and I still don't agree.

Incorrect criteria: If he is better than our existing key forwards, he is worth getting

Correct criteria: If he is good enough to be an AFL grade forward, he is worth getting.

Being an improvement on our current KPFs is faint praise and doesn't automatically make them worth getting. He could be an improvement on our existing KPFs, but still be rubbish and therefore still be wasting a spot on the list. Chris Tarrant (as a forward) would have been an improvement on our existing KPFs, but do you think he would've been worth getting?

As I said, Newton (and Miller) should not be used as the benchmark.

Totally correct.

Just because someone is better than the other players we have or have had, doesn't mean we should be drafting them. If the FD think Thorp is good enough to play CHF or FF or HF or whatever, then they'll take him. But they won't be comparing him to Newton or Miller or anyone else.

Edited November 18, 200915 yr by titan_uranus

So has ANYONE been to training? Anyone seen how Mitch is going?? This is killing me.

Morton2Watts it's ok your life is still worth living

spoke to someone who knows someone who went to training,

Thorp reportedly

ran down Aaron davey after giving him a 20 metre start in a tackling drill

Kicked a 70 metre left foot drop kick in a golakicking drill

Knocked out Beamer with a lightning fast jab in a boxing drill

Took a speccy over Liam Jurrah who was sitting on Mark Jamars shoulders at the time

Beat Nathan Jones home in the 3km time trial

Training the house down!!!!!!

yes I am bored and eagerly awaiting next Thursday when we can talk about confirmed new MFC players

Wed, Nov 18, 2pm – Delisted primary list player draft nomination deadline

It appears as though 2pm today Wed 18 Nov should be instructive.

It's the deadline for delisted players to nominate for the ND.

Players who don't nominate presumably will nominate for the PSD because they have arranged their destination.

Mitch and Robbo nominate for ND

Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet, but ...

Looks like Mitch has nominated for the ND. The Dees clearly haven't guaranteed him a spot.

Full list of draft nominees

McDonald for the PSD maybe

Edited November 18, 200915 yr by Stop: Jurrahtime

Mitch and Robbo nominate for ND

Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet, but ...

Looks like Mitch has nominated for the ND. The Dees clearly haven't guaranteed him a spot.

Nice work thanks

Luke Ablett (Sydney Swans), Jarryd Allen (St Kilda), Luke Ball (St Kilda), Jordan Bannister (Carlton), Adam Bentick (Carlton), Ryan Brabazon (Sydney Swans), Simon Buckley (Melbourne), Chris Bryan (Collingwood), Adam Campbell (Fremantle), Cameron Cloke (Carlton), Scott Clouston (Brisbane Lions), Eljay Connors (St Kilda), Mark Coughlan (Richmond), Jake Edwards (Carlton), Leigh Fisher (St Kilda), Andrew Foster (Fremantle), Greg Gallman (Adelaide), Jonathan Giles (Port Adelaide), Nick Gill (Adelaide), Scott Harding (Brisbane Lions), Daniel Harris (North Melbourne), Rhan Hooper (Brisbane Lions), Nick Lower (Port Adelaide), Aaron Kite (Adelaide), Matthew Laidlaw (Sydney Swans), Malcolm Lynch (Western Bulldogs), Dan McKenna (Geelong Cats), Jamie McNamara (West Coast), Matt Maguire (St Kilda), John Meesen (Melbourne), Michael Newton (Melbourne), Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (Richmond), Daniel O’Keefe (Sydney Swans), Guy O’Keefe (Western Bulldogs), Paul O’Shea (Western Bulldogs), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Kayne Pettifer (Richmond), Sam Power (North Melbourne), Dean Putt (Richmond), Matt Riggio (North Melbourne), Russell Robertson (Melbourne), Jason Roe (Brisbane Lions), Scott Simpson (Geelong Cats), Wayde Skipper (Western Bulldogs), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Danny Stanley (Collingwood), Kane Tenace (Geelong Cats), Mitchell Thorp (Hawthorn), Matthew Tyler (Brisbane Lions), Cameron Wight (Western Bulldogs), John Williams (Essendon), Michael Wundke (North Melbourne).

McPhee, Macdonald, Shirley, Bradshaw absent.

Edited November 18, 200915 yr by old55

Nice work thanks

McPhee, Macdonald, Shirley, Bradshaw absent.

MacDonald firming you think ?

Edited November 19, 200915 yr by High Tower

I think it's just a case of players wanting to give themselves as much chance of playing AFL next year.

I still think Thorp in the PSD is a very good chance, but we'll have to wait and see. There won't be a lot of late picks taken this year, so there may be some talent that gets overlooked in the ND.

Mitch and Robbo nominate for ND

Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet, but ...

Looks like Mitch has nominated for the ND. The Dees clearly haven't guaranteed him a spot.

maybe maybe not.. keep in mind we come to the end of our ND picks whilst some are stil wel land truly stocking up.. If we took Thorpe late in the ND we might still then get McD in the PSd.. purely theory...but shows a scenario

We may have. It's interesting that McDonald hasn't trained with us though, whilst Thorp has.

I think we'd only go for both if the talent was particularly light at pick 50.

We may have. It's interesting that McDonald hasn't trained with us though, whilst Thorp has.

I think we'd only go for both if the talent was particularly light at pick 50.

McDonald is a little different where he probably doesn't need to prove himself on the training track. He played most of the season for Brisbane last year. Everyone knows what they're going to get with him, and he probably doesn't want to align himself to one club, unless of course we say we're taking him, then you'd think he'd start training.

Thorp is a different kettle of fish, hardly played AFL footy, hasn't proven anything yet, so he's trying to prove himself on the training track.

I noticed that Thorp didn't get a mention in the Phantom draft by Matt Burgan.

If he doesn't, there could be a real upside in picking him rather than McDonald.

McDonald is a proven player and we know what we're getting. However, we're also getting a decent player, but a 25 year old, who by the time we have a serious crack at the flag again will probably be 28.

Contrast that to Thorp, who has had injuries, and hasn't had opportunities at Hawthorn, but could mean that we don't have to pick another key position player in the draft, and can take another young midfielder. Add to that the fact that he's four years younger than McDonald, and will be 24ish when we're next having a crack at the flag.

McDonald is a little different where he probably doesn't need to prove himself on the training track. He played most of the season for Brisbane last year. Everyone knows what they're going to get with him, and he probably doesn't want to align himself to one club, unless of course we say we're taking him, then you'd think he'd start training.

I believe MacDonald has in fact begun training with us, and he has provisionally accepted a 2 year contract.

I noticed that Thorp didn't get a mention in the Phantom draft by Matt Burgan.

If he doesn't, there could be a real upside in picking him rather than McDonald.

McDonald is a proven player and we know what we're getting. However, we're also getting a decent player, but a 25 year old, who by the time we have a serious crack at the flag again will probably be 28.

Contrast that to Thorp, who has had injuries, and hasn't had opportunities at Hawthorn, but could mean that we don't have to pick another key position player in the draft, and can take another young midfielder. Add to that the fact that he's four years younger than McDonald, and will be 24ish when we're next having a crack at the flag.

Could take him if we wanted at 50 I suppose.

According to the phantom draft (which isn't that reliable after the first 5 or so, both Patrick and Panos are expected to be available at 50, so I'd take one of those over Thorp and then let Thorp and McDonald fight it out in the PSD.

With injury and attitude concerns, there is a good possibility that Thorpe could be available in the rookie draft. That demotion might be the spur he needs to get his career back on track.

And to think, that everybody had Panos going at 8 or 9 to Port...

It just shows how even this draft is.

I think Panos will go somewhere in the mid 30s to mid 40s.

According to a poster on 'Ology Thorp has indeed gone home to Tasmania because he is injured, stress fractures in the feet, and is contemplating his future.

It just shows how even this draft is.

I think Panos will go somewhere in the mid 30s to mid 40s.

No... it shows how ridiculously overrated Panos was by some people...

but you are around the mark with your prediction i think (maybe a little early)

No... it shows how ridiculously overrated Panos was by some people...

but you are around the mark with your prediction i think (maybe a little early)

Panos was selected All Australian Full forward so he must have shown something to the selectors.

Is that a reflection of the lack of good full forwards rather than a reflection of Panos' ability?

However, AA FF is still a good result. I'd take him at 50 if he's still there, or possibly even 34 depending on who's gone so far.