totally agree- and Jaded have you travelled 2 hours a day virtually every day in the heat and in peak traffic- I have and hated it. Left my job because of it. Try it- go down to taining every day from Marybnong and see for yourself. I live in Kensington and I would hate to do it. Also this is another reason why German left. Bailley is doing it from Essendon and hates it.

I travel from Brighton to Brunswick almost everyday by car. It takes close to an hour, and I don't get paid 6 figures to do that (I don't get paid at all).

Everybody wants shorter commutes, everybody wants more money, everybody wants a better position in life, but most people would travel the distance if they really wanted to reach the destination. If you had a job you loved you would put in the extra travel time.

It's not ideal, but we live in a big city with a central business district, and we have crap public transport, so most people travel long distanced everyday.

Royal Parade in the morning is a [censored] and McLean will soon find that out.

If Carlton were on the bottom of the ladder I bet he wouldn't care how close they were to his home.

I travel a total of 3 hours minimum per day to and from work.

Occasionally, if it's just too much on that day, I stay at family or friends where the return trip is closer to 20 mins.

my point totally- and hopefully you are not recovering from a bung ankle. I do not think loosing McLean is a major problem but I think the club needs to take i hand the travelling and its or could be effect

I travel from Brighton to Brunswick almost everyday by car. It takes close to an hour, and I don't get paid 6 figures to do that (I don't get paid at all).

Everybody wants shorter commutes, everybody wants more money, everybody wants a better position in life, but most people would travel the distance if they really wanted to reach the destination. If you had a job you loved you would put in the extra travel time.

It's not ideal, but we live in a big city with a central business district, and we have crap public transport, so most people travel long distanced everyday.

Royal Parade in the morning is a [censored] and McLean will soon find that out.

If Carlton were on the bottom of the ladder I bet he wouldn't care how close they were to his home.

I beg to differ-also he will not have to go anywhere need Royal Parade.

However that was not the debate or my point. I was saying and reiterate that travelling (driving)in a car for say 3 hours a day with a bung ankle is something the club should have concerned itself about.Also hiring German who lives close to me north of the city was a major issue to him after taking thejob. All I am saying is listen to the beat of the drom MFC take note - there may be some merit to it. And maybe some CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM MAY TURN POSITIVE.

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by jayceebee31

I travel from Brighton to Brunswick almost everyday by car. It takes close to an hour, and I don't get paid 6 figures to do that (I don't get paid at all).

How would you feel if the uni said 'hey, we've opening a campus in St. Kilda, it's got great facilities, staff members you know and get on with really well are running the new campus and have major teaching roles there and we'll match or better the perks you have at Brunswick'?

Most people would at least consider it.

Everybody wants shorter commutes, everybody wants more money, everybody wants a better position in life, but most people would travel the distance if they really wanted to reach the destination. If you had a job you loved you would put in the extra travel time.

And people can make choices in life to achieve those outcomes. If the travel is harmful to your health you would seek alternatives. Anyway its a choice. You have made yours and McLean has made his.

It's not ideal, but we live in a big city with a central business district, and we have crap public transport, so most people travel long distanced everyday.

Not if they can avoid it

Royal Parade in the morning is a [censored] and McLean will soon find that out.

I would take that over a hike out to Kranbun from Merrybenong every time.

How stupid of Brock not to be prepared to incur the cost of selling his current house and buying a new house in a suburb/area he does not want to live.

Now he swaps an up to 2hour drive to training for a 10 minute drive..,..Hmmmm!

You white ant Brock!

Its a [censored] weak excuse & you know it RR. The Players had a long time to adjust to the Casey Move- so i don't buy that piece of Print.

I beg to differ-also he will not have to go anywhere need Royal Parade.

However that was not the debate or my point. I was saying and reiterate that travelling (driving)in a car for say 3 hours a day with a bung ankle is something the club should have concerned itself about.Also hiring German who lives close to me north of the city was a major issue to him after taking thejob. All I am saying is listen to the beat of the drom MFC take note - there may be some merit to it. And maybe some CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM MAY TURN POSITIVE.

But German knew he would be coaching in Casey, he should have properly considered that before accepting the job. I don't see how the club can be blamed for German not thinking it through properly. If the commute was having an adverse effect on Brock's physical health, he could have brought it to our attention before he was traded, he had around 10 months to let us know.

Players come from all over the country, from remote communities, from out of their comfort zones into new cities, and new environments, but changing suburb to be a bit closer to his place of employment for a highly paid sportsman is a little too taxing.

There are plenty of much nicer suburbs between Maribyrnong and Cranbourne he could move to if the travel was the GENUINE problem here.

This is Brock simply not tipping the bucket on anyone at the club and being diplomatic, not the reason he left the club.

Travel to Casey is a non issue IMO, and if it is, then a player needs to reconsider their living arrangements.

How would you feel if the uni said 'hey, we've opening a campus in St. Kilda, it's got great facilities, staff members you know and get on with really well are running the new campus and have major teaching roles there and we'll match or better the perks you have at Brunswick'?

Most people would at least consider it.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF GAI WATERHOUSE SAID SHE WAS SHIFTING AND WAS GOING TO TRAVEL 2/3 HOURS TO TO TAKE YOUR HORSES THERE.

MAYBE PUT YOUR WINNINGS INTO AN INVESTMENT- BUILD THE DEMONLAND VILLAS CLOSE TO CASEY & RENT THEM OUT.

So ... a young man in the prime of his life ... physically fit...sportsman ... back & hammies tighten up after a one hour drive.

Traded him none too soon if that's the case.

Its a [censored] weak excuse & you know it RR. The Players had a long time to adjust to the Casey Move- so i don't buy that piece of Print.

But you be recommending Brock should sell up and buy in Kranbun. Nothing gets past you WYL.

moloney will knock CJ and Mcleans head off next year..

end of story

I'm a massive fan of Casey Fields (as I have mentioned many times), but the point of this all is that will it impact on current players as well as those looking to play for Melbourne?

But you be recommending Brock should sell up and buy in Kranbun. Nothing gets past you WYL.

If Travelling Bothers Him that Much Yes i Would. Considering the Garbage year he admitted to having in 2009

I believe he said it as a smoke screen, there is more to this Trade than just a [censored] weak Travel Issue.

I don't agree, Jaded. I worked for a long time in a job I considered well paid, that was very physical in nature (required a high degree of fitness) and had to drive more than an hour every day. I switched jobs, despite loving it, partly because of the distance travelled. I'm not saying it's the same thing, far from it. It's just I do look at distance travelled as a daily-grind kind of thing as relevant, especially where your body is concerned. Having said that, I'm surprised he brought it up. While it's a factor, for an AFL footballer you'd think it'd have to be VERY low on the list of cons.

Changing tangent here... Does anyone remember, one of the BIG reasons the fans took to Brock so fervently when he first came on the scene was his allegiances. It wasn't TOO long after the Thompson trade (which still smarts) and I remember the subject of what club Brock followed came up. There was much written about how he chose not to follow a club, so that when he arrived at one, he wouldn't feel conflicted... or something like that.

Then you read this article about how he's pumped to go to a club his grandfather used to play at. Where was this stuff 6 years ago? Suddenly he's had a burning love for Carlton all along? Apparently he visited the place when he was little and felt quite a bit of gravity there...

Moral of the story? Don't believe everything you read, I guess.

Not sure if this was the deciding factor on him going or not, surely it isnt but its still worth discussing.

From what i believe- We train at Casey all during the summer and then when the season starts we will do one session a week there.

What about these somewhat crazy ideas to help the players-

During the summer- Local Motel/Hotel sponsor the club maybe by providing the facility to the club, where players can choose to stay there in the summer? Kind of like Training Camps- basketball(nba) etc.

The one session during the season, im sure it wouldn't be too hard to organize a bus to take players from our rectangle home or the G would it?

dont flame ideas just trying to come up with some solutions. As like i said, i dont believe these were the determining factors behind Brocks decision but still it would [censored] some players off i would of thought and we have to treat our players like kings for them to be kings.

just ideas..

Ok Sydney-sider here so quick question.....

Just how damn far is Maribyrnong and Cranbourne out of the city of Melbourne and away from each other?

This whole argument makes it sound like he is commuting in from the wilderness somewhere !!!

The commute is all freeway from Marribynong once you get down racecourse road

all our traning over summer was after 10 am so peak traffic would not have been a big issue and he would have been going aginst traffic both ways

the instances of a 2 hour communte would have been very very few and far between

I am on the road for a living the monash can be a car park at times in peak

but cmon brock it aint that bad

anyway off ya go enjoy carlscum

As I said, it's not ideal, but such is life.

Ask 99% of footballers and they'd tell you that they'd rather drive further than have to train at a rat-infested craphole (read: Junction).

If there was no Casey, Brock would have found another plausible reason to [censored] to the media in an effort to hide why he really left, and good on him. It's between the club and him, and I'd rather supporters have a panic attack over the Casey situation than Carlton finding out we traded him because his body is shot (as an example).

ah well..we all have choices.. and live by them. Brock....Im not sure as to the real reason you left ...but I really couldnt care less anymore.. To even mention a little travel on 'some ' days is pissweak beyond belief.. Poor Diddums !! Very glad you never became captain of our team with that kind of attitude.

I suspect he has had the idea to move for a year now and all this just is a bit of a smokescreen. Hi sdad and Uncle I beleive are major confidants and have influence. They are Carlton orientated...so join the dots.

Im impervious to the ridiculous suggestions that casey has any influence ( in a negative fashion ) on players/staff current , previous or potential. Travel is a major factor in this sport. Get over it.

Cant wait for the first Melbourne v Carlton game now

I don't agree, Jaded. I worked for a long time in a job I considered well paid, that was very physical in nature (required a high degree of fitness) and had to drive more than an hour every day. I switched jobs, despite loving it, partly because of the distance travelled. I'm not saying it's the same thing, far from it. It's just I do look at distance travelled as a daily-grind kind of thing as relevant, especially where your body is concerned. Having said that, I'm surprised he brought it up. While it's a factor, for an AFL footballer you'd think it'd have to be VERY low on the list of cons.

Changing tangent here... Does anyone remember, one of the BIG reasons the fans took to Brock so fervently when he first came on the scene was his allegiances. It wasn't TOO long after the Thompson trade (which still smarts) and I remember the subject of what club Brock followed came up. There was much written about how he chose not to follow a club, so that when he arrived at one, he wouldn't feel conflicted... or something like that.

Then you read this article about how he's pumped to go to a club his grandfather used to play at. Where was this stuff 6 years ago? Suddenly he's had a burning love for Carlton all along? Apparently he visited the place when he was little and felt quite a bit of gravity there...

Moral of the story? Don't believe everything you read, I guess.

I always knew he had Carlton Connections. My Uncle Knew Ricky Mclean Vaugely.

I believe he said it as a smoke screen, there is more to this Trade than just a [censored] weak Travel Issue.

Of course there is but it does not need to played out in the media.

I care little for what a Carlton player has to say about our training facilities.

I care little for what a Carlton player has to say about our training facilities.

T O U C H E !!

Ok Sydney-sider here so quick question.....

Just how damn far is Maribyrnong and Cranbourne out of the city of Melbourne and away from each other?

This whole argument makes it sound like he is commuting in from the wilderness somewhere !!!

Around 70 klms in a very Built up area and where freeway has works being done constantly where maximum speed generally is 80 klms max.

However, this is not my beef- it is that the club should take this into consideration when they are recruiting. It is like 2 hour hell sometimes.Especially when McLean had a bad ankle for 2 years and as he rightfully stated he could have done at least an hour an half recovery or training instead of the frustrating drive- I rest my case not for Mclean but for the club to consider this dilemna.They own a mini bus- maybe they should use it

Edited October 7, 200916 yr by jayceebee31