I'm not 100% sure how pick 11 should be valued this year. Nor Brock for that matter. He's had a terrible year, but if he avoids more injuries could still be a very good player. Pace isn't the focus of the Carlton Midfield, and he can fit in for hardness. He could be a very good player for them. I don't think we'll be able to judge who got the better of this deal for a long time to come.

i hate when peolpe compare pick 11 in previous drafts, dont mean [censored]. compare what no. james hird went to previous drafts

Anyone know who Carlton have coming up for Father-Son picks? They may be banking on a forward via that route.

Jake Williams mayb

He'll excel at Carlton (providing fitness) without a hard tag, feeding the ball out to Gibbs and Murphy. If he can get his fitness back, he'll finish very high in their B&F next season.

The worst thing about this is that McLean could potentially help Carlton win a flag, and I can never ever support or even mildly like any player who wears that filthy navy jumper. So McLean just went from my favourite player, to one of my most hated.

midfield yes , big holes up forward and in defence

i hate when peolpe compare pick 11 in previous drafts, dont mean [censored]. compare what no. james hird went to previous drafts

I made no mention of previous drafts. When we have a player in place of pick 11 I won't know how to compare him to Brick either. It'll still take years for the value of the deal to either club to be known

I made no mention of previous drafts. When we have a player in place of pick 11 I won't know how to compare him to Brick either. It'll still take years for the value of the deal to either club to be known

*cough* TJ for pick 14 (Grimes)

Quantity is already well & truly known...

From http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636323 Brock wants to go to the Gold Coast. Melbourne offered a 3 year deal and Carlton 1 year. Carlton's offer allows him to go to the Gold Coast. Is this true?

ATM I would say Carlton have the honors. If we traded pick 11 would we get a player the likes of Mclean? Don't think so.

Wow.

Everything's already been said basically.

It's pretty sad really, such a great clubman gone, I can't see how we're going to win a premiership with a culture like this.

Pretty amazing to see the number of first time posters!!!!!

Now, let's move on to who we'll pick with #11.....I can't see Talia being around unfortunately.

Jesus F*cking Christ.

Wow.

Did not expect this.

Don't know if i'm happy or sad yet.... i do love my draft picks, but I also love McLean.

Hmm.

*cough* TJ for pick 14 (Grimes)

Quantity is already well & truly known...

I really don't see how this applies to the discussion at hand. How does Grimes have any bearing on who we get with pick 11 and how well they end up playing? Does TJ have some influence on whether Brock (not Brick as I may have previously stated) comes back after his injury problems?

From http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636323 Brock wants to go to the Gold Coast. Melbourne offered a 3 year deal and Carlton 1 year. Carlton's offer allows him to go to the Gold Coast. Is this true?

Why would Carlton trade their first pick for a player they know is going to leave in a year? They won't get a better pick from GC in the next trade period.

I made no mention of previous drafts. When we have a player in place of pick 11 I won't know how to compare him to Brick either. It'll still take years for the value of the deal to either club to be known

ive had a few tonight, i didnt mean you personally, i just meant people in general, someone allways bobs up with the comparison

ive had a few tonight, i didnt mean you personally, i just meant people in general, someone allways bobs up with the comparison

Fairy Nuff

It's pretty sad really, such a great clubman gone, I can't see how we're going to win a premiership with a culture like this.

Ever thought Brock may be detrimental to the teams culture. His actions (not dollars) in the past have not necessarily been those of someone you'd build a culture around.

Long time listener, first time caller!

Like others, I'm disappointed to lose such a loyal player.

My main concern (like most of yours) is with his reasoning for leaving. It's not like we're a club on the down, and there's definitely no issue with his place in the team.

It's all a little confusing and disturbing atm.

By the way, I've been reading all the banter on Davey. Is there any suggestion he is considering leaving the club, or is it purely the fact that he's unsigned?

I can't imagine him even considering leaving. He loves his mentoring role with the young indigenous players, has real captaincy aspirations, and seems like one of the players least likely to consider moving clubs.

Can someone please confirm who else is currently unsigned?

Cheers!

Long time listener, first time caller!

Like others, I'm disappointed to lose such a loyal player.

My main concern (like most of yours) is with his reasoning for leaving. It's not like we're a club on the down, and there's definitely no issue with his place in the team.

It's all a little confusing and disturbing atm.

By the way, I've been reading all the banter on Davey. Is there any suggestion he is considering leaving the club, or is it purely the fact that he's unsigned?

I can't imagine him even considering leaving. He loves his mentoring role with the young indigenous players, has real captaincy aspirations, and seems like one of the players least likely to consider moving clubs.

Can someone please confirm who else is currently unsigned?

Cheers!

The Davey rumour came from the guy who gave us the Brock rumour. Given that the Brock one was spot on, many people are worried, but I believe his is the only word we have on the subject so far. There's a bit of a panic about the motivations attributed to Davey.

Long time listener, first time caller!

Like others, I'm disappointed to lose such a loyal player.

My main concern (like most of yours) is with his reasoning for leaving. It's not like we're a club on the down, and there's definitely no issue with his place in the team.

It's all a little confusing and disturbing atm.

By the way, I've been reading all the banter on Davey. Is there any suggestion he is considering leaving the club, or is it purely the fact that he's unsigned?

I can't imagine him even considering leaving. He loves his mentoring role with the young indigenous players, has real captaincy aspirations, and seems like one of the players least likely to consider moving clubs.

Can someone please confirm who else is currently unsigned?

Cheers!

Not so. Apparently he was offered a new contract with a significant pay cut, in a team with more, and more coming, mid-fielders than a shark has teeth.

Ever thought Brock may be detrimental to the teams culture. His actions (not dollars) in the past have not necessarily been those of someone you'd build a culture around.

You've got to be joking!

His indiscretions were incredibly minor.

I don't think there's anybody at the club who would consider Brock detrimental to the club's culture!

The Davey rumour came from the guy who gave us the Brock rumour. Given that the Brock one was spot on, many people are worried, but I believe his is the only word we have on the subject so far. There's a bit of a panic about the motivations attributed to Davey.

Lets not get too excited, he was not the first to mention the Brock rumour and not the first to mention Davey either.

It's not like we're a club on the down, and there's definitely no issue with his place in the team.

I disagree. The game is evolving all the time. Luke Ball is a better player than McLean and he's on the fringe of the Saints side. Don't we aspire to be a premiership team ?

McLean is very much border line for me already. This will be exacerbated with an influx of midfield talent. There are no guarantees with pick 11, but on the surface I'm pleased with the deal. If someone had said to me a week ago "is Brock worth a top 12 pick", my answer would have been 'doubtful'.

Great deal! Hope Carlton don't wake up to how slow he is before the deal is done. I wouldn't panic about this, I'll celebrate it!

Long time listener, first time caller!

Like others, I'm disappointed to lose such a loyal player.

My main concern (like most of yours) is with his reasoning for leaving. It's not like we're a club on the down, and there's definitely no issue with his place in the team.

It's all a little confusing and disturbing atm.

By the way, I've been reading all the banter on Davey. Is there any suggestion he is considering leaving the club, or is it purely the fact that he's unsigned?

I can't imagine him even considering leaving. He loves his mentoring role with the young indigenous players, has real captaincy aspirations, and seems like one of the players least likely to consider moving clubs.

Can someone please confirm who else is currently unsigned?

Cheers!

i hope Flash is doing a Brad Green and hanging out for more money and so he should(Green was also justified) , he reeks of class, love watching him play

i hope Flash is doing a Brad Green and hanging out for more money and so he should(Green was also justified) , he reeks of class, love watching him play

Can anyone tell me if the Richmond game was before or after the Debt Demolition Dinner?

Honestly Aaron Davey would be the last person a i would have thought to leave.

Those indigenous boys are like a family.

MIA Maclean

2009 - missed 3 games

2008 - missed 8 games - ankle injury: 8

2007 - missed 8 games - foot injury: 7, adductor injury: 1

2006 - missed 6 games - thigh injury: 1, groin injury: 1, hammie: 2, quad injury: 2

2005 - missed 3 games - groin injury: 3

2004 -missed 1 game - buttock injury: 1

Playing more games at Etihad certainly won't help.