Wow just saw it on the 5th quarter.

Aaahhh, I know Jack has got better in him!!

Nik Nat looked like he had put on some serious weight.

saw it too. was good but lets just remember who we picked up and why. lets not get another massive topic about this

And also, what if we had picked up Naita, who goes on to be a star, but in three years time wants to go back home so we lose him for peanuts? Jack Watts is the man for us. Whatever happened, happened, what's done is done, and what's meant to be is meant to be.

EDIT: Jack Watts, not Jack Watt's. I would have had to hang myself if I let that one go.

I didn't see it, but not matter how good it is, it's one mark...

Juice Newton won mark of the year, doesn't mean he's an amazing player...

I didn't see it, but not matter how good it is, it's one mark...

Juice Newton won mark of the year, doesn't mean he's an amazing player...

So did Gary Moorecroft.

Does anyone have a list of players who have won MOY?

http://www.droppunt.com/moty/past.htm

try this site...

will give u a start

I'll take goals over marks any day. Jack will kick twice as many with the same opportunities. Case closed.

I'll take goals over marks any day. Jack will kick twice as many with the same opportunities. Case closed.

No it isn't, in the years to come this will become a very hot topic.

Watts has sublime skill, footy awareness and contested marking, Naitanui has agility and a fierce determination. It will be very interesting to see the two careers develop, both have huge upside and both have slight question marks. I'm actually looking forward to watching both of them.

There's a theme to my thoughts about 'we should have drafted x over y' discussions.

Like the Rioli v Morton debate, the Watts v Natanui, Rich etc. debate is one of close margins between apples and oranges.

It's not, as I've said before, like we're looking at a Fiora/Pavlich or Tambling/Franklin comparison. Those oranges are definately a cut above the apples.

Is there any footage of his mark? looks like he got up pretty high

Not sure about footage but there is a picture in Sunday's Herald Sun.

No it isn't, in the years to come this will become a very hot topic.

Watts has sublime skill, footy awareness and contested marking, Naitanui has agility and a fierce determination. It will be very interesting to see the two careers develop, both have huge upside and both have slight question marks. I'm actually looking forward to watching both of them.

Yes, it is. Of COURSE it will become a hot topic. Doesn't mean it should be. We recruited one, not the other. And at the time of recruiting, despite Naita having created a firestorm of interest, it is widely believed BP made the right choice for the club... one that the vast majority of fans concur with. If suddenly the majority of supporters turn on Watts, and the club for recruiting him, then they would be (mostly) just as wrong as BP was.

We recruited a forward with impeccable pedigree. What more NEEDS to be said. Hence, case closed.

I will agree though that I can't wait to see both debut. Nicknat for all the reasons we spoke about leading up to his drafting, all the excitement and leaping and gladiatorial-style tackling. Watts for the fact that he looks, from the outside, to be a match-winner and could threaten to kick 6 a game in the way Roo does. I know which one gets me more excited...

EDIT: I just went for an ill-advised wander over at bigfooty where there's an All-Australian ruckman debate, and Naita's name came up (not for this year obviously)... and it occurred to me that one concern is that if he has one of those ridiculous engines, like Richo's, then the mere fact that he's a midfield player might see him get touches in more games than Jack, assuming that A: Jack only plays forward and B: The midfield has good years and bad years... Look at Buddy. People were saying he could be the best ever, and this year he's fallen dramatically back to the pack.

Just another reason why I hope they let him decide to drift further up the ground. Just give him licence to do what he wants, a la Sheedy and Hird.

We picked Watts therefore Watts > NicNat. QED.

Is this the one people are talking about?

Is this the one people are talking about?

That's the one. Perfect ride.

That's the one. Perfect ride.

Not bad, but looking more forward to seeing the 5 goal high lights from when JW turns it on for the 1st time

Meh. Fairly standard. There are dozens of players who would have done exactly the same thing in the situation. Basically it was a shocking kick and set the poor stepladder up to be climbed on.