Today the MFC will apply to return Mark Jamar to the senior list with John Meeson taking his place on the LTI.

Mark is expected to play for Casey on the weekend.

Of critical importance, despite his lack of ability. We will be a much better team with him in it.

Wow ! I'll have a better day now.

Will only play seniors when either Johnson or Spencer are injured IMO.

Really, if Spencer's fit we should be giving him a go whilst the opportunity's there. We've all seen Jamar.

Will only play seniors when either Johnson or Spencer are injured IMO.

I wonder if he is being put in cotton wool for next year and allow him to develop further at VFL?

Jamar's playing for his career, the second half of the season will show us if he has anything to offer moving forward! Personally I think he could be of value but needs to have more impact around the ground, get more of the footy, hurt the opposition etc but i'm sure we and Jamar are all aware of this. I.m looking forward to seeing the Russian back out on the park.

He's a massive dude he should just go out their and smash heads.

Will only play seniors when either Johnson or Spencer are injured IMO.

I know Jamar hasn't set the world on fire, but that's a tad insulting to him.

Spencer, PJ and Messen heading into next year.

i dont know why everyone on this site hates Jamar! personally i think he is better then PJ! good to see the big russian back and hopefully he can prove himself!

having said that.. i am happy we have messen and spencer developing!! (if only we got nick nat along with watts!)

i dont know why everyone on this site hates Jamar! personally i think he is better then PJ! good to see the big russian back and hopefully he can prove himself!

having said that.. i am happy we have messen and spencer developing!! (if only we got nick nat along with watts!)

I think PJ can be used in more positions than Jamar and we know he can kicks goals.

I wish we had nat

I wish we had nat

I don't. Happy with Watts.

Wow ! I'll have a better day now.

I just... I just don't know what to think of that. The sarcasm button on my computer is busted. I don't know if you're serious or not.

I don't. Happy with Watts.

Id take watts over nat as well but we could have had both.

Id take watts over nat as well but we could have had both.

Yes, I know. Could've, Should've, Would've......

I think PJ can be used in more positions than Jamar and we know he can kicks goals.

I wish we had nat

that is actually very true!

I don't. Happy with Watts.

yeh but if we hadnt of won that game against carlton we could have had watts & nat, and then we could have had scully and butcher... we would be set for a premiership!!

I think PJ can be used in more positions than Jamar and we know he can kicks goals.

We do?? Really??

Paul Johnson - 50 games 14 goals 13 behinds.

Mark Jamar - 66 games 22 goals 8 behinds.

I think the belief that PJ is some sort of natural goal kickers is a mirage in some posters mind.

It's a good point RR. I think the PJ looks as if he could play in a number of positions, but he doesn't. Too much about him is 'as if', not 'has done and succeeded'.

yeh but if we hadnt of won that game against carlton we could have had watts & nat, and then we could have had scully and butcher... we would be set for a premiership!!

Pure speculation.

Yes...

If we had Nat, he might not have done his knee...he might have debuted for the Dees.....and god forbid we might have been 3 and 4 at this stage...on our way to 6+ wins.....hence no scully or butcher.....

Like I said.....that's all pure speculation.....should've, could've, would've...

I know Jamar hasn't set the world on fire, but that's a tad insulting to him.

I just think he's had ample opportunity over the last few years to cement his place and hasn't taken it. Meesen's been impressive in his 4 games and Spencer's a long term project. He needs to show why he should be played ahead of PJ and I'm yet to see why.

The reason he stays on the list is simple. Against WC we had one fit ruckman available, if we had 3 on the list we had Stef martin rucking a whole game.

If memory serves me correctly the big Russian was also one of our leading tacklers per game avg. and was a leading contested possesion getter, my memory could be slightly wring on the possesions thing, but he was a avg. in our top 3 or 4 for tackles per game

I think the belief that PJ is some sort of natural goal kickers is a mirage in some posters mind.

Agree.

Don't know where this belief has come from other than being conjured up by our desperate need for a key forward.

Paul Johnson is not a forward.

We do?? Really??

Paul Johnson - 50 games 14 goals 13 behinds.

Mark Jamar - 66 games 22 goals 8 behinds.

I think the belief that PJ is some sort of natural goal kickers is a mirage in some posters mind.

Mark Jamar - 66 games 21 goals 8 behinds.

Id still say Johnson is more dangerous in the FWD half then Jamar.

Mark Jamar - 66 games 21 goals 8 behinds.

Id still say Johnson is more dangerous in the FWD half then Jamar.

Pity you have no logical basis to make that assessment.

I'll fill the first canteen at the mirage.

Pure speculation.

Yes...

If we had Nat, he might not have done his knee...he might have debuted for the Dees.....and god forbid we might have been 3 and 4 at this stage...on our way to 6+ wins.....hence no scully or butcher.....

Like I said.....that's all pure speculation.....should've, could've, would've...

i was thinking more along the lines of.. we get watts and nat.. nat injures himself.. so he and watts take most of the season until they debut (training up, getting bigger, etc)..so not much different to this season.. so we get all four of them suited up the next season (watts, nick nat, scully, butcher)...hooha!!

i know its specualtion.. but its fun to dream!!

should-izzle, could-izzle, would-izzle!!